New Necrons 7th Edition Tactica

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**Hollismason**

Ah I see where they went.

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Requizen wrote:
Hollismason wrote:
Is there though anyway to make the Deathstar less expensive? I think there is..

Orikan
Obyron

Destroyer Cult

Destroyer Lord , Warscythe, Nightmare Shroud, Phase Shifter, Res Orb

5 Lychguard - 125

Total 595

Plus the cost of a Destroyer Cult but seriously that's a crazy good thing anyway.

Yes or no, but it has the Added benefit of 4+ , 4+ reroll . 2+ Rerollable .. added benefit of a Toughness 6 with a 2+ reroll, 4+, 4+ possible reroll. Cheaper as well I think

This... I like this. Destroyer Lord loses out on the WS5 of the Lord, but gains HoW, PE(E!), and T6. T6 doesn't help except in Challenges and against S10 attacks, but it's nice to have. While the DLord is more expensive than the Overlord, it also keeps you from having to bring Royal Court (and therefore another HQ on top of the Deathstar ones).

The only downside to this that I see is that, while taking the extra character costs points, it is nice to not have your Warlord in the Deep Striking forward squad. My original plan was to have Zahndrekh in the backline as my Warlord while the Orikanstar jumped forward. Also, this can't take a Night Scythe if it wanted to, since the DLord can't go inside.

Ups and downs, but I think it's not bad overall. I also am overall a fan of the Destroyer Cult, so I have no problem bringing that.

CAD
HQ
Orikan
Obyron

Troops
10x Warriors w/ Ghost Ark
6x Immortals w/ Night Scythe
6x Immortals w/ Night Scythe

Elites
5x Lychguard w/ Shields

Destroyer Cult

Destroyer Lord w/ Warscythe, Phylactery, Nightmare Shroud, Phase Shifter

2x Destroyer, 1x Heavy
2x Destroyer, 1x Heavy
2x Destroyer, 1x Heavy

3x Heavy Destroyer

1834. Could upgrade to the Voidreaper, I guess, or drop an Immortal from each squad and get something else. Decent amount of ObSec, good mobility thanks to Scythes (which also bring air presence) and Destroyers, plus a strong Deathstar. I suppose dropping one of the Night Scythes in lieu of more ObSec units might not be a bad trade, but getting those Immortals to where they want to go seems more important than more Troops footslogging across the board. Overall, this is only 8 squads in 1850: 44 models, 3 of which are Vehicles. That's a bit small, but I think it might be alright.

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Hollismason wrote:
It's C'Tan Bomb

Orikan
Obyron

Elites
5 Lychguard w/ Warscythes

Troops
Immortals w/ Nightscythe
Immortals w/ NightScythe

Fast Attack

Destroyer Cult

Destroyer Lord , Warscythe, Nightmare Shroud, Phase Shifter, Res Orb

3 x Destroyers w/ H. Destroyer
3 x Destroyers w/ H. Destroyer
3 x Destroyers w/ H. Destroyer

3 x Heavy Destroyers

Covenant of the C'Tan
Nightbringer
Cryptek w/ Veil of Darkness
Cryptek w/ Staff of Light

1842

Optional just drop the C'Tan bomb and add Wraiths as part of the bomb and more Heavy Destroyers.

Wraithbomb

Orikan
Obyron

Troops
Immortals w/ Nightscythe
Immortals w/ NightScythe

Fast Attack
6 Wraiths w/ Whip Coils

H. Support
3 H. Destroyers

Destroyer Cult

Destroyer Lord , Warscythe, Nightmare Shroud, Phase Shifter, Res Orb

3 x Destroyers w/ H. Destroyer
3 x Destroyers w/ H. Destroyer
3 x Destroyers w/ H. Destroyer

3 x Heavy Destroyers

1840

Check your math on these, I'm getting 1945 and 1833

Ha! That'll teach me to copy and paste. Yeah that first list is off. It shouldn't have the upgrades for the Destroyers and one of the h. destroyers.

**ShadarLogoth**

Hey, what do ya'll think about this as a singular concept ::

Cryptek + Chronomotron
10 Gauss Immortals
Night Scythe

390 points that's a pretty solid HQ option for a basic CAD. Mobile, resilient, Ob Sec, which causes a respectable amount of pain at 12".

260 points for 12 3+/5++ RP 4+ wounds is kind of a steal. You are basically getting better or equal to TH/SS termie wounds for less the 22 points a pop.

No particular list in mind with it. It just seems like a good solid HQ/Troop option if you have nothing else planned.

**Requizen**

Well yeah, a Cryptek with the Chronometron is going to be good in nearly any biggish squad you put him in. They're pretty good generic HQs, but 90 points really wants to be part of a large squad so it's more worthwhile. 90 points to boost 5 units is garbage, but 90 points to boost a 20 man warrior squad is a pittance, only 4.5 ppm, plus a character. Basically, if a squad is a fire magnet (like Immortals that drop down out of a Scythe into enemy lines) or if it's big enough and you're not using your HQ slot for more important things (in a more horde oriented army), then Crypteks are pretty good boosts. But, if you're running more MSU, if you're not focusing on Troops, if everything is in vehicles... they're not so good.

**BrotherGecko**

So how about those Triarch Stalkers. What would be considered to he its best weapon option? And with the points reduction could that functionally replace the fallen Annibarge?

**DaPino**

BrotherGecko wrote:
So how about those Triarch Stalkers. What would be considered to he its best weapon option? And with the points reduction could that functionally replace the fallen Annibarge?

I like the Heat ray because it's 2 shots.

I like this deathstar:
Anrakyr
9x Lychguard
Ghost ark

Obviously only possible in a normal FoC

**Requizen**

DaPino wrote:
BrotherGecko wrote:
So how about those Triarch Stalkers. What would be considered to he its best weapon option? And with the points reduction could that functionally replace the fallen Annibarge?

I like the Heat ray because it's 2 shots.

I like this deathstar:
Anrakyr
9x Lychguard
Ghost ark

Obviously only possible in a normal FoC

I'm a little confused about this one. Why Anrakyr? And also Lychguard can't ride in a Ghost Ark.

**CKO**

Is Orikan's Master Chronomancer special rule re-roll limited to only protocol's saves?

Why isnt there more talk about how good tomb blades are? 3+ followed by a 4+ on a t5 platform is amazing! In rapid fire range they on average kill a wave serpent, while wave serpents on average only kill one or two. They normally get to do whatever they like because your opponent is usually fixated on the canoptek harvest wraiths. I love the durability of the Decurion Detachment it is almost to good to be true you are basically getting a free cryptek in every unit.

**Requizen**

Orikan's ability is to Saves, not Reanimation. So it works on Armor, Invuln, or Cover saves, but not RP or FNP.

**ShadarLogoth**

Fooling around with MSU, using a CAD + just the Reclamation as a detachment ::

Spoiler:

Comes out to 1855 total. Over 100 Necron wounds spread across 22+ units. I was just throwing it together as a template...but that actually looks...reasonably competitive? It doesn't have super serious fire power, but enough to keep pace, I think.

It would be a damn nightmare to bring down, that's for sure.

I'm not even sure if you can take a Reclamation as a detachment though? I mean, lets say a Tournament allows Primary + 1 detachment. not sure how that would work.

**Sasori**

BrotherGecko wrote:
So how about those Triarch Stalkers. What would be considered to he its best weapon option? And with the points reduction could that functionally replace the fallen Annibarge?

My opinion is the best weapon is the Heat Ray, for a number of reasons. Mostly, because it keeps the Stalker cheap. In addition, because you don't need to hit for it's effect anymore, the twinlinked and the range don't matter as much. You can generally always find a use for a doubetap melta.

It does not replace the abarge though. The only thing I've found to really replace the firepower of the Abarge has been the Obelisk.

**ShadarLogoth**

Yeah, I agree with Sasori more and more on the Heat Ray. Both double tap Melta and he Heavy F template can be useful things in a Necron list. The one reason I would go with HGC is so you can keep the Stalker as far back as possible, because he does tend to draw some serious firepower.

**Requizen**

Speaking of ABarges, have people been using them as of late? Are they still worth taking with the points change?

**changemod**

Anrakyr's not awful like Trazyn, just a little too situational to just grab because his benefits are all over the place.

Ideally I'd use him like this:

Outside a Decurion, so his warlord trait means anything,

Szeras as the other HQ to buff a whole gunline with Technomancy,

Pick the Phyrrian Eternals as the recipients of Szeras's buff,

You now have a unit of relentless gauss immortals with S5 on the charge and a random buff to either:

S6 on the charge, 5 afterwards.

T5,

Or BS5.

All led by a character with S8 on the charge for attempts at instant death, and a once per game S10 AP1 shot.

Are their better options? Yeah, but hey: Pretty solid all rounder unit.

**Tekron**

ShadarLogoth wrote:
Fooling around with MSU, using a CAD + just the Reclamation as a detachment ::

Spoiler:

Reclamation

Olord

10 x Warriors
10 x Warriors

5 x Immortals
5 x Immortals
5 x Immortals
5 x Immortals

3 x Nube TBs

740

CAD

Szeras

5 x Flayed Ones
5 x Flayed Ones
5 x Flayed Ones

5 x Immortals
5 x Immortals
5 x Immortals
5 x Immortals
5 x Immortals
5 x Immortals

1 x Heavy Destroyer
1 x Heavy Destroyer
1 x Heavy Destroyer

1 x Heavy Destroyer
1 x Heavy Destroyer
1 x Heavy Destroyer

1115

Comes out to 1855 total. Over 100 Necron wounds spread across 22+ units. I was just throwing it together as a template...but that actually looks...reasonably competitive? It doesn't have super serious fire power, but enough to keep pace, I think.

It would be a damn nightmare to bring down, that's for sure.

I'm not even sure if you can take a Reclamation as a detachment though? I mean, lets say a Tournament allows Primary + 1 detachment. not sure how that would work.

You can take a Reclamation legion as a formation but it is completely pointless. Taking a Decurion only requires one auxiliary so all you need is to add 1 squad of flayed ones and everyone gets +1 RP and improved living metal.

To get the maximum potential out of your list you need to move the Reclamation legion into a Decurion and take all three units of FO as auxiliary formations in the Decurion (so they all get +1RP too). Then take whatever you want in your CAD.

**Requizen**

changemod wrote:
Anrakyr's not awful like Trazyn, just a little too situational to just grab because his benefits are all over the place.

Ideally I'd use him like this:

Outside a Decurion, so his warlord trait means anything,

Szeras as the other HQ to buff a whole gunline with Technomancy,

Pick the Phyrrian Eternals as the recipients of Szeras's buff,

You now have a unit of relentless gauss immortals with S5 on the charge and a random buff to either:

S6 on the charge, 5 afterwards.

T5,

Or BS5.

All led by a character with S8 on the charge for attempts at instant death, and a once per game S10 AP1 shot.

Are their better options? Yeah, but hey: Pretty solid all rounder unit.

I mean sure, if you want a squad of Hero Immortals running around charging into combat, he makes them good at that. But I can't really think of any time where I would want that over any other Character's ability or even a customizable Overlord. Except maybe in like, Zone Mortalis or Kill Team, but usually they disallow Named Characters.

**DaPino**

Requizen wrote:
DaPino wrote:
BrotherGecko wrote:
So how about those Triarch Stalkers. What would be considered to he its best weapon option? And with the points reduction could that functionally replace the fallen Annibarge?

I like the Heat ray because it's 2 shots.

I like this deathstar:
Anrakyr
9x Lychguard
Ghost ark

Obviously only possible in a normal FoC

I'm a little confused about this one. Why Anrakyr? And also Lychguard can't ride in a Ghost Ark.

Anrakyr because he has furios charge, making his Warscythe Str 8.

I am a very sad panda. Why would they make ghost ark a FA if you can only bring warriors. :(

**NecronLord3**

DaPino wrote:
Requizen wrote:
DaPino wrote:
BrotherGecko wrote:
So how about those Triarch Stalkers. What would be considered to he its best weapon option? And with the points reduction could that functionally replace the fallen Annibarge?

I like the Heat ray because it's 2 shots.

I like this deathstar:
Anrakyr
9x Lychguard
Ghost ark

Obviously only possible in a normal FoC

I'm a little confused about this one. Why Anrakyr? And also Lychguard can't ride in a Ghost Ark.

Anrakyr because he has furios charge, making his Warscythe Str 8.

I am a very sad panda. Why would they make ghost ark a FA if you can only bring warriors. :(

It can carry "characters" with the Infantry type.

**Requizen**

You know, in case you want to give your now rather pricey Lords/Crypteks a sweet ride so they can go die.

**adamsouza**

Decurion (Warriors x2, Immortals, Tomb Blades, Overlord)
+ Canoptek Swarm (wraiths, Scarabs, Sypder)
CAD
Cryptek
Immortals
Immortals
Spyder x3
Spyder x3
Spyder x3
Scarab Swarm
Scarab Swarm

Most people's attention will focus on the Wraiths. Instead of focussing on the Wraiths, I'm growing a scarab swarm with 4+ RP by 10 bases per round. The other scarabs are bubble wrap, and a backup plan, and the other 6 shooty squads can focus their attention on objectives.

**Requizen**

adamsouza wrote:

Decurion (Warriors x2, Immortals, Tomb Blades, Overlord)
+ Canoptek Swarm (wraiths, Scarabs, Sypder)
CAD
Cryptek
Immortals
Immortals
Spyder x3
Spyder x3
Spyder x3
Scarab Swarm
Scarab Swarm

Most people's attention will focus on the Wraiths. Instead of focussing on the Wraiths, I'm growing a scarab swarm with 4+ RP by 10 bases per round. The other scarabs are bubble wrap, and a backup plan, and the other 6 shooty squads can focus their attention on objectives.

There's an interesting thought. The thing in the game right now is "Wraiths are so scary aaaaa". But, they're relatively cheap. 240 for 6 isn't too overcosted, so taking just the 6 with no upgrades and throwing them out as a DISTRACTION CARNIFEX isn't a bad idea. Just dump the rest of the points into the rest of your army. Or heck, just 4-5 of em. People still will have an irrational fear of them.

**lindelldds**

I agree with Requizen. I played a game last night with one squad of 4 naked wraiths and it was promptly shot at, and after soaking up all the Devestator missiles, one died and the remaining 3 were assaulted by BA Libby, Priest, 10 man assault squad. Tarpitted a fairly solid FC/FnP/WS5 unit THE WHOLE GAME. 160 pts. to effectively render at least 200-250 pts useless for the game? Plus taking an entire round of first turn missile fire away from my other units? Yes, please. And Thank you.

Meanwhile, my 18 FO's with obyron/cryptek w/chromo ghost mantled turn 1, got assaulted by 8XDeathcompany which were dispatched easily, and later 8XSnguinary guard, also dispatched.

Flayed ones are so cheap for so many attacks and surprisingly survivable against dedicated CC with a 5+invuln/4+ I can't leave them on the shelf, especially with how bad they used to be last edition.

**Sasori**

Requizen wrote:
Speaking of ABarges, have people been using them as of late? Are they still worth taking with the points change?

Not really. I'm pretty fond of the Obelisk now though.

**Requizen**

lindelldds wrote:I agree with Requizen. I played a game last night with one squad of 4 naked wraiths and it was promptly shot at, and after soaking up all the Devestator missiles, one died and the remaining 3 were assaulted by BA Libby, Priest, 10 man assault squad. Tarpitted a fairly solid FC/FnP/WS5 unit THE WHOLE GAME. 160 pts. to effectively render at least 200-250 pts useless for the game? Plus taking an entire round of first turn missile fire away from my other units? Yes, please. And Thank you.

Meanwhile, my 18 FO's with obyron/cryptek w/chromo ghost mantled turn 1, got assaulted by 8XDeathcompany which were dispatched easily, and later 8XSnguinary guard, also dispatched.

Flayed ones are so cheap for so many attacks and surprisingly survivable against dedicated CC with a 5+invuln/4+ I can't leave them on the shelf, especially with how bad they used to be last edition.

Not to burst your bubble, but that 5++ only works against shooting.

Unless you realized that, just the way you wrote it made it sound like you were using the 5++ in Assault.

Sasori wrote:
Requizen wrote:
Speaking of ABarges, have people been using them as of late? Are they still worth taking with the points change?

Not really. I'm pretty fond of the Obelisk now though.

Same. 300 points is really a steal for it. Even if you're only getting 2 Spheres per turn, it's a lot of firepower, screws over Skimmers somewhat (insert crying Eldar/DEldar), and is a massive fire magnet that will take a lot of shooting to bring down.

**lindelldds**

Wow. Just re-read that. Bubble bursted. Feel bad about that...Tainted victory. Thanks

**Requizen**

Sorry buddy, them's the rules. Still not bad for them, of course. 4+/5++/4+++ against shooting helps them get to where they need to be. And they're still 4+++ against S7 and below, 5+++ against the rest. Plenty should survive regardless.

**lindelldds**

I still would have won on objectives even if the FO's would have died...so I don't feel as bad...still a new codex idiot move on my part. Thanks for setting me straight!

**krodarklorr**

Sasori wrote:
Requizen wrote:
Speaking of ABarges, have people been using them as of late? Are they still worth taking with the points change?

Not really. I'm pretty fond of the Obelisk now though.

Got mine all painted up finally because of this dex, and I'm been thinking of getting a second monolith (Whoa, right?) to run the formation.

**Ferros**

What are our new heavy hitters? The new codex seems to have enhanced our durability significantly, so trying to figure out where our heavy hitters are at.

There are:
C'tan
Nightbringer's Gaze
Doomsday Ark
Mono
Tesseract Ark
Night Shroud
Pylon

Basically what are our models that can do the most damage in low numbers? I think it'd be incredibly useful if everytime my opponent pivots a unit that can actually tarpit my wraiths, I "soften them up" so instead of being tied up the rest of the game, they can mop up and go on to the next bunch just as quickly.

**Requizen**

Monolith still kinda sucks, Tesseract Ark only got nerfed with this edition (read the wording on Quantum Shielding), and the Pylon is still a superheavy AA gun that can't hit ground targets.

**krodarklorr**

Ferros wrote:
What are our new heavy hitters? The new codex seems to have enhanced our durability significantly, so trying to figure out where our heavy hitters are at.

There are:
C'tan
Nightbringer's Gaze
Doomsday Ark
Mono
Tesseract Ark
Night Shroud
Pylon

Basically what are our models that can do the most damage in low numbers? I think it'd be incredibly useful if everytime my opponent pivots a unit that can actually tarpit my wraiths, I "soften them up" so instead of being tied up the rest of the game, they can mop up and go on to the next bunch just as quickly.

Forgot Doomsday Ark. S10 AP1 Lance is nothing to laugh at.