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Eh these are the cultists for CSM codex though right? They're not Traitor Guard, so I don't see much an issue with them not being very well armed when they're just gonna be bullet catchers anyway.

I am still laughing at whoever the leaker was being forcibly removed from the event, surely some influencer live blogged it?

 judgedoug wrote:

alphaecho wrote:

Thank you.

Those ones are a confection of bits fron Victoria Minitures, Anvil, Wargames Atlantuc, GW and Curious Constructs for the heads.

Nice! I know my plan is to get these new Traitor Guard and build Sons of Sek because I _love_ Anakwanar Sek and absolutely want to recreate the power struggles in the Archonate between Sek and Urlock Gaur and challenge my pal's Blood Pact.

I have some of the BSF traitors painted up in yellow with hands from other models glued over their mouths. Most of them are hands from WA Les Grognards models as GW hands are just too big!

I'm very excited for traitor guard. I will admit, I have spent a lot of money on the traitor sargeant, just for his cool skull mask. Glad (sort of) to see that it'll be easier to get a hold of. No nostril though :(

Also, It's a shame the traitor commissar doesn't have options. I've got the DV one, but he's just a guy with a shotgun and rusty sword

Remember to pour one out for the poor sods who bought that terrain standalone a couple of weeks before the KT announcement.

Traitor Guard look cool. Do wish they were painted a bit more coherently but obviously that's a minor issue. The BSF guys in black and tan looked great unified.

Phobos still looks pretty bad and I don't think even more Busybits will help that.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Remember to pour one out for the poor sods who bought that terrain standalone a couple of weeks before the KT announcement.

2 boxes

Grr don't want the marines but want the culties and terrain.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Remember to pour one out for the poor sods who bought that terrain standalone a couple of weeks before the KT announcement.

2 boxes

Grr don't want the marines but want the culties and terrain.

If its any consolation, I imagine someone probably spent just as much trying to get the "OOP" Traitor Commissar off ebay

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I am still laughing at whoever the leaker was being forcibly removed from the event, surely some influencer live blogged it?

What?

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Remember to pour one out for the poor sods who bought that terrain standalone a couple of weeks before the KT announcement.

2 boxes

Grr don't want the marines but want the culties and terrain.

If its any consolation, I imagine someone probably spent just as much trying to get the "OOP" Traitor Commissar off ebay

Oof yeah. Honestly I see that as potentially shooting GW in their own foot here. People that went out of their way that really wanted those things likely already got them. People that got Blackstone Fortress have a bunch of traitor guard to use. Also, Infiltrators are one of the least popular units for Space Marines, up there with the other build out of the box (Incursors), so...

We will see how well this sells! I'm sure it will sell very well. Still plenty of people that didn't get any of the above that will grab all this.

I myself will simply wait until the traitor guardsmen box is sold separately.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I am still laughing at whoever the leaker was being forcibly removed from the event, surely some influencer live blogged it?

What?

Some muppet was invited in for the event, and leaked some HH images of models-in-cabinets (see the HH thread for more details). Gw were made aware, realised who it was, and evicted them from the event.

I'd be surprised if there wasn't an NDA of some form involved in being there.

Not currently sure who it was that was an idiot - I've seen two names, one of which I don't recognise.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Remember to pour one out for the poor sods who bought that terrain standalone a couple of weeks before the KT announcement.

Saved by procrastination! Cheers to GW for persuading me not to buy their current kits. Laziness saved me there, the price tag put me off Ash Wastes, the way the War Dog datasheets and the Dreadblades allies interact made me decide not to buy the Chaos Knight box. What can they talk me out of buying next? Probably the squats, since the model previews have left me a little cold.

Ah, well. They'll get some Chaos money. And probably Heresy money.

No paints anymore, but that isn't their fault. The comic store on the next block started selling Army Painter, and it's hard to turn down that level of convenience.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Remember to pour one out for the poor sods who bought that terrain standalone a couple of weeks before the KT announcement.

Phobos still looks pretty bad and I don't think even more Busybits will help that.

I bought the Fronteris big scenery box and I'm still buying KT2 Moroch, especially since it's modular - and combined with the older KT1 KZ Fronteris I think it'll actually be enough to make an Imperial Outpost on a 6x4.

I guess get the hate for Phobos armor in 40k but KT2 is a vastly different game than 40k. I'm super stoked for a full on Marine specific team and all the awesome specialists that entails. It's also great to me that GW is specifically focusing on making Kill Team stuff for Kill Team players. The big highlight is that the fella in my KT2 campaign group using his Blood Pact under the Vet Guard rules now has actual Traitor rules!

drbored wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Remember to pour one out for the poor sods who bought that terrain standalone a couple of weeks before the KT announcement.

2 boxes

Grr don't want the marines but want the culties and terrain.

If its any consolation, I imagine someone probably spent just as much trying to get the "OOP" Traitor Commissar off ebay

Oof yeah. Honestly I see that as potentially shooting GW in their own foot here. People that went out of their way that really wanted those things likely already got them. People that got Blackstone Fortress have a bunch of traitor guard to use. Also, Infiltrators are one of the least popular units for Space Marines, up there with the other build out of the box (Incursors), so...

We will see how well this sells! I'm sure it will sell very well. Still plenty of people that didn't get any of the above that will grab all this.

I myself will simply wait until the traitor guardsmen box is sold separately.

I may or may not have spent $40+ dollars just to acquire several BSF Sergeants just for a skull mask to slap on some DKK models. Said skull head is now being released in an easy to get kit that will doubtless be sold on ebay for a fraction of the cost

As a "many small armies that ally for larger battles" player, can I just say that I'm loving the ability to field Traitor Guard and Cultists as their own 25 PL Crusades?

Cultists in particular- I was always going to need good cultist models for campaign purposes. Having HQs and embedded psykers lead to lots of potential. The fact that I already have the BSF ones sweetens the deal too- they'll look good together.

As for Traitor Guard, it remains to be seen whether or not our chaos cult tries to peel away and subvert guard units. They're pretty preoccupied with the Imperial citizens right now. They're also learning how to summon daemons, and somewhere out in the sea of cropland, there's a slumbering Daemonforge waiting to be rediscovered and awakened. They may be a little too busy with all of that to ALSO infiltrate the guard.

If I do buy in to new Traitor Guard, I'll need to look for conversions on the Commissar and Ogryn. And just like cultists, it's pretty nice to have the BSF models as a base.

The cultists are the same vein but different figures, but I was going to ask if that was the same Traitor Commissar and Chaos Ogryn.

I like how phobos get upgrade sprue and still zero power weapons. While chaos IG team opposing them has at least two. Bravo GW

Something something one job...

 Scottywan82 wrote:
I am mildly curious how they will explain a Chaos god that isn't one of the four

They already have the fat rat, no?

Not Online!!! wrote:
literally ALL chaos cults that have been portrayed as competent / worth a damn have been uniformed enough. And certainly not stupid enough to not realise that wearing a shirt is an advantage nvm armor plates.

Chaos cultists =/= chaos IG. You might as well complain they don't wear power armour.

Oh wait, is it another strike of fanfiction brigade pretending corrupting and degrading influence of chaos doesn't exist and everything chaos is bestest ever?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

The cultists are the same vein but different figures, but I was going to ask if that was the same Traitor Commissar and Chaos Ogryn.

It is.

 Irbis wrote:
I like how phobos get upgrade sprue and still zero power weapons. While chaos IG team opposing them has at least two. Bravo GW

Something something one job...

Well, they are Infiltrators. The least melee focused of Phobos armored squads. Incursors have their paired combat knives, and one of the loadouts for Reivers don't even have carbines. I'd almost be dejected if Infiltrators received decent melee weapons instead of Reivers. Almost.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Remember to pour one out for the poor sods who bought that terrain standalone a couple of weeks before the KT announcement.

Why? I got more terrain than what's in this box, none of the KT nonsense I don't care about, and no more Phobos Marines.

Yes I am one regretting the terrain buy.

Hope they are going to have all three armours in the team, so Incursors, Infiltrator and Reivers.

The_Real_Chris wrote:
Yes I am one regretting the terrain buy.

Hope they are going to have all three armours in the team, so Incursors, Infiltrator and Reivers.

Incursors and Infiltrators share a kit. Reivers do not.
I do miss the older marine naming conventions where it was easier to tell units apart.

The_Real_Chris wrote:
Hope they are going to have all three armours in the team, so Incursors, Infiltrator and Reivers.

This isn't a new kit, and Reivers are a different kit to Incursors/Infiltrators. This is an accessory sprue for Incursors/Infiltrators.

I don't care what anyone says, i freakin' love phobos armour. It's my favourite marine armour so far. I'll be getting this set for sure as the guard will be useful in some rag tag chaos force for narrative games.

Huh, I forgot the HH preview is at the-sun-isn't-even-up-yet in the morning. I guess I'll catch the recaps over breakfast rather than watch it during lunch.

But I kinda want to see if Adam explodes from sheer excitement and dark angels miniatures scatter across their streaming cubicle.

 bullyboy wrote:
I don't care what anyone says, i freakin' love phobos armour. It's my favourite marine armour so far. I'll be getting this set for sure as the guard will be useful in some rag tag chaos force for narrative games.

I actually like the armor, but I hate the units. They boring and redundant (and the unit names are obnoxious in their obfuscation of identifying primaris units at a glance- pick something that doesn't start with I and has some meaning attached to it, please), with minorly tweaked oldmarine bolters (but with different names, because reasons) and fewer tools than scouts.
And Reivers... ugh. 3 SM codex iterations, and they still haven't found a niche for the things.

Wow! Late to the party but that new Kill Team box looks superb! I've had my eye on that terrain and some traitor guardsmen will go great with the ones I have from BSF. Really looking forward to that one!

Oh, the HH thing is in 3 hours. Well that's better than 2am in the morning I guess.

I think what's bugging me about the new KT box is something that Auspex echoed in one of his recent videos (and also a point I am always making about GW): It's a tremendous missed opportunity.

I mean, let's ignore the fact that Phobos Marines are pretty option-less to begin with, and represent the opposite side of where most Marines are (ie. more "tacti-cool" rather than the Gothic knight aesthetic). With this accessory sprue they had a chance to really give them some interesting options, but as Auspex points out, there are cases where it's hard to tell which ones have the extra bits and which ones don't.

I would have much preferred this new KT box had Intercessors in there, and with a new accessory sprue for that unit. This would achieve a few things:

1. It would give actual models for "Veteran Intercessors", making them a unit with proper bits and not just Intercessors+.
2. It could have given all the Sergeant HTH options so that we don't have to rely on Assault Intercessors for those parts.
3. It could have added some weapon options outside of the Aux. Grenade Launcher. I'm not talking Tactical Squad levels of variation, but imagine if such a sprue added a pair of Pyreblasters (one per 5 models) to Intercessor squads. It would open up the usage of such a squad quite considerably. Maybe 2 Pyreblasters, and 2 Bolt Sniper Rifles, so you have special weapon options that fit for each type of Bolt Rifle.

Failing that, as Auspex said, they could have used Reivers instead, and given them options that turn them into a desirable unit rather than a "Oh yeah, they exist I guess..." unit like they are right now.

GW never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity, and once again they've done it here. It's a real shame.

Edited out. It’s early lol. I was responding to something you weren’t saying.

New Heresy novels are so so.
Dorn book is nice, that’s what, 15 out of 18 now?
Haven’t had Mortarion and Horus yet, and one other.. Sanguinius is it?

Danny76 wrote:
New Heresy novels are so so.
Dorn book is nice, that’s what, 15 out of 18 now?
Haven’t had Mortarion and Horus yet, and one other.. Sanguinius is it?

Mortarion is already announced, but I think that’s it yeah.

Aww man. I hope they give Mortarion to Wraight, otherwise it will be Swallow, and I aaume he gets Sanguinuius too, making them both a complete writeoff for me. Would be amazing if they came out of leftfield with an Abnett or Wraight Sanguinius though.