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Some histories are better in mini-series form, like:
Joan of Arc (1999 miniseries with Leelee Sobieski) and Peter The Great (1986, NBC) were very nice.
for actual movies:
Winter War (Finnish)
Indegènes (French)
Soldaat van Oranje (Dutch)
The Warlord (old!)
Warlords (Chinese)
The Spartacus movie with Kirk Douglas
for the rest, not much war movies not yet mentioned that really impressed me. To much "Hollywood Tactics", Mel Gibson 'You killed my girlfriend' motivations and extreme cases of "did not do the research" or fooling around with historical figures/original characters and dramatically change their role/influence/personality. Like in "The Last of the Mohicans"... If there was ever a case of swapping around roles and personalities in film adaptations of (historic) literature...
In no particular order.
Saving Private Ryan.
Apocalypse Now.
All quiet on the western front.
Platoon.
Zulu/Shaka Zulu.
The Longest Day.
Sargent York.
Full Metal Jacket
Patton.
And also a big thumbs up for Band of Brothers,fantastic series.
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
Oh man, how could I forget FMJ. I must go flog myself with a glass whip now.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
Albatross wrote:And 'Spartacus' is what, an historical document?
well, no, but the original story of the slave rebellion is not the most detailed Roman record. And the version I like was made in the '60's or '70's, i can accept some historical innacuracy from that time (It's unbelievable how inaccurate school history books were at that time, I read some, it's apalling!)... It is a lot more accurate than the more recent versions. And also a lot longer...
Keeping it to five, not necessarily in that order…
Stalingrad
A Bridge Too Far
Zulu
Das Boot
Platoon
There’s lots of other movies with war in them, but to be a war movie it really has to be a direct story about soldier’s experiences, or about a military operation. The Thin Red Line is one of my favourite movies of all time, and while its nominally about Guadalcanal the film isn’t really about WWII at all. I’d say lots of other movies like Kelly’s Heroes, while being excellent movies in their own rights, also aren’t really war movies.
The movie I really want to see a war movie about the sinking of the Bismarck. From the pursuit by the Royal Navy to the engagement with the Hood and then the hunting down and eventual sinking. With the technology available today they could do one hell of a job of realising those sea battles, with the big guns letting rip and enemy fire sailing past or crashing into the ship.
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Albatross wrote:But The Patriot is awful, IMHO.
I'd never heard anyone defend that film before today, and now in two different threads I've read people pointing out how they liked it. I'm beginning to suspect it's International Pretend to Like the Worst Movie of All Time Day or something.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
A Bridge to Far AKA Sir Richard had an army to make a movie.
Tora Tora Tora, any movie that has a 1/1 model the Nagato is a win on my book, and they ended the movie at the right point, no need to have 45`more to show the good guys wining.
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i wish someone would make a movie about the bttle of wizna
750 polls holding off 42,000 german soldiers for thee day has got to make a good movie
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MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
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youbedead wrote:i wish someone would make a movie about the bttle of wizna
750 polls holding off 42,000 german soldiers for thee day has got to make a good movie
Wow, that's tough!
Poland's late medieval/renaissance military history has quite a few of such tales, mainly involving a few hundred tireless Huszarsky and thousands of Ottomans and Swedes.
"Fire and Steel" might be something for you (if you haven't seen it already), if you can find it. It's about the Khmelnisky uprising I think.
Well i like the more "unglorifying" pictures of the genre,
Stalingrad- a masterpiece our american friends seem to have missed out on, just great (no stars and stripes every few minutes-hallelujah!).
The Platoon a masterpiece by Mr stone.
A thin red line special but very very good contains no typical hero characters hence it's great but slow.
A more obscure warmovie is "Talvisota" it's about a few men fighting the finnish winter war, it's a 3 hour long odyssey in hardship and hard men fighting off a quadzillion russians.
All good lists have 5 movies so ill mention FMJ also a very good warmovie.
Warmovies for me is obviously movies that mainly portraits men fighting, with a minimum of other plots.
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Lord Uxbridge: By God, Sir. I've lost my leg.
Duke of Wellington: By God, Sir. So you have.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
*is impressed with Mr. Ahtman's knowledge of history and "satire"*
*fails to find Time Bandits clip with Napoleon*
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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How about a Bill and Ted one then?
Interestingly, and as an aside...
Does anyone find films about Modern Wars (like Jarheads etc) to be slightly condescending? I mean, we know War is gak. We know Soliders are left in gakky situations to do gakky things that they might prefer they didn't have to. I can well imagine them being pissed off about being deployed to a gakky warzone to do gakky things when it's for gakky reasons (Iraq anyone?).
I really do feel that War films should always be historical, as a counter point to taught History by going to survivors etc (hats off to Band of Brothers in particular)
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"Stalingrad" - the German/Russian one from 1993
Das Boot
Saving Private Ryan
Paths to Glory
Full Metal Jacket
Gettysburg
Kelly's Heroes - At least they tried to make the T-34 look like a Tiger Tank.
That's a problem I have with a lot of WWII movies made in the 60s and 70s, they use the armor of the time as German Tanks. Like in Patton where the Germans have M-48 Patton tanks. Even a Bridge too Far, Jerry steamrollers with Leopards.
-Glory
-Gettysburg
-The Alamo (John Wayne Version)
-Battlefield
-Bridge too Far
-Battle of Britain (again Robert Shaw and Lawrence Olivier)
-Tora Tora Tora / Midway
-Battle of the Bulge (only because of Robert Shaw and massed tanks me likey)
-Spartacus (old school baby OLD SCHOOL!). I remember Spartacus, and Your’s No Spartacus!
-Das Boot
-Zulu
-Kelly’s Heroes
-Pork Chop Hill
-Platoon
-Saving Private Ryan
-second Band of Brothers
(waiting anxiously for Hurt Locker to come out on DVD).
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reds8n wrote:
..am I really the first to suggest this one ?
..c'mon people !
Lord Uxbridge: By God, Sir. I've lost my leg.
Duke of Wellington: By God, Sir. So you have.
I saw a bit on TV once, never saw the whole thing. I wonder if there is a DVD.
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@Sebster - There's a film called 'Sink The Bismarck!' - I've not seen it though. A modern film about that would be awesome. A relative of mine went down with HMS Hood.
I also think a film about Britain taking on the EOKA terrorists on Cyprus could be interesting, or a film set in Palestine around the time of the creation of Israel, if only because my grandad served there...
Sink the Bismark is quite good. Saw a couple of times.
less thrilling when you really the big british hero ships were plowed under by the Japanese almost as an afterthought.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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A Bridge Too Far Lots of epic stuff moving. You can feel the war machine starting to roll.
The Longest Day Having never watched much, I sneered at it, being an old B/W film. I changed my tune after taking in the sheer epic-ness of it. The camera work of the Pegasus Bridge fight was neat, too.
Zulu Yeah, it's got some innacuracies, but then I'm a sucker for large scale stuff. Zulu Dawn is probably better, but I haven't seen it since I was 14.
Hamburger Hill I haven't seen since it was in theaters, though I did buy it recently. Supposed to be on of the better 'Nam flicks. Platoon seemed to cator to the old stereotypes.
Tora Tora Tora Still a classic and still owns the newer movie "that shall not be named".
Gettysburg Pickett's charge is still the high point here. This movie inspired my own Civil War readings and musket buying. I went there this spring. One day isn't enough.
Gods and Generals Yeah, I know... It lacked the epic-ness of Gettysburg, but the scenes with the Irish Brigade (Union, of course) still did well for me.
Black Hawk Down Was reasonably true to the book, from what I've heard.
Waterloo I haven't seen this in 22 years. I watched it the night before I shipped off for college. Again, I'm a sucker for epic stuff.
ZF-
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I saw a bit on TV once, never saw the whole thing. I wonder if there is a DVD.
Yes there is, at least on Amazon Uk and Ebay anyway, well worth a watch, has that proper old school epic feel to it,
from tge Amazon review
"A film that will never be equalled for its spectacle and dramatic power" says the stirring trailer on this otherwise sparsely featured DVD. Taking the story of the Napoleonic Wars to Bonaparte's final defeat, Waterloo is an unofficial continuation to director Sergei Bondarchuk's own 70mm super-epic War and Peace (1968). The climactic battle of Waterloo is shown in the second half of the film and re-enacted with such stunning realism by a cast of around 20,000 extras that it looks like documentary footage from history itself (some 20 years later, Gettysburg, 1993, did the same for the American Civil War). Those who hailed the groundbreaking impact of Saving Private Ryan should see Bondarchuk's films, as for sheer scale and intensity--if not bloodiness--they make Spielberg's hit look like an amateur video. Without ever attempting a French accent, Rod Steiger makes a commanding Napoleon, Christopher Plummer a worthy adversary as Wellington, while the supporting cast led by Orson Welles, Jack Hawkins and Virginia McKenna is excellent. The DVD transfer is richly detailed and clear, though the print itself could have done with just a little restoration. Though dated, Abel Glance's Napoleon (1928) remains definitive for many, perhaps explaining why Stanley Kubrick eventually abandoned his planned Napoleon film, instead making the 18th Century period epic Barry Lyndon (1974). --Gary S.Dalkin
Steiger and Plummer are both very good in their roles....
....I'm tempted to try and ebay this now damn your eyes ! I've already bought the "House of Cards" trilogy today as well.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Being a Royal Marine i have to vote for "The Cockleshell Heros"
If only for the bar room brawl where the Royals give a bunch of matelots a good kicking. For some odd reason i found it more satisfying than watching them hurt the Nazis. :S
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
mattyrm wrote:Being a Royal Marine i have to vote for "The Cockleshell Heros"
If only for the bar room brawl where the Royals give a bunch of matelots a good kicking. For some odd reason i found it more satisfying than watching them hurt the Nazis. :S
typical bootie always trying to distance yourselves from the matelots!
just for those who are unfamiliar with the term Matelots
Matelots
n. (plural)
Slang term, from the French (or Romanian) word for sailor.
They tend to get naked more than is strictly neccesary. It was feared that having women serve on war ships would prove damaging to morale but apparently the man on man action continues to keep the men "on side".
Q. How do they separate the men from the boys in the Navy?
A. With a crowbar.
Winston Churchill described life in the Navy as "rum, sodomy and the lash". In today's modern navy, corporal punishment is not allowed in any form. Alcohol is considerably frowned upon (especially if you run your big grey war canoe onto rocks while tanked up). Sodomy however seems to be positively encouraged if not mandatory!
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