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Elbow's to thin.

on cartwheel guy? I haven't finished 'stuffing his arm yet ; ) lol
(or his legs)

I see. The problem is with the rigidity of the torso, which fixes the position of the shoulder and it's associated muscles.

Maybe go for more flexibility where the body will allow, e.g. the waist. Although I'm afraid what I'm about to suggest will probably mean completely dismantling them...
Whip guy; A twist of the torso at the waist will bring the shoulder nearer the ground and allow for a more natural look to that shoulder. But then, you'll have to lower the other arm to make that horizontal again.
Cartwheel guy; similar thing, rotate the torso anti-clockwise (as we look at that picture), but maintain the arm and leg vertical (bend at the waist to bring the leg forward). If you see what I mean?

and don't knock your posing, you've done a better job than anyone else I've seen and you're very nearly there.

 Dr H wrote:


and don't knock your posing, you've done a better job than anyone else I've seen and you're very nearly there.

That's what I think!

whip guy I'm fairly happy with, I need to come up with a solution to the arm... it'd be relatively easy to have the other arm out horizontally for balance, but I'm a bit reluctant to do that because he'll be similar to Trinity Jump gal. I might give him a go with a bent-arm with dagger arm instead. The trouble with his pose is because it is so extreme - it's an odd pose! lol Maybe only Trinity (when she's in the Matrix and bending reality) can pull it off?!

With cartwheel guy, if I could (easily, quickly and painlessly) put a bend in the torso, I'd happily do it. Maybe I should have used a wych torso instead of the Reaver one... might have to rethink him from scratch and make do with the bitz i have left. I could probably salvage the legs

I approve of this thread. Where are those heads from?

they're heads from the reaver jetbike riders.
Glad you approve Lt : )

You could just stick a rock or something in front of whip guy so he's not having to stretch all the way to the ground...

But, anyway, they are your models so you can do what you like with them.

I like whip guy as he is really, I would probably just stick a shoulder pad on and just give people funny looks if they notice that the arm is too long and suggest they get their eyes tested...

Whip guy = arm off, and there are a couple of possibilities:
- sword from the Scourges, extended straight out. Plus = adds length and creates a nice long, shallow diagonal from the sword tip to the whip tip. Negative = the sword and the whip lead you out of the composition, not in.
- razorflail from the wych sprue (the extended one). Plus = nice and curvy and dynamic, and the 'flail will lead the eye around the mini, and add a nice sense of movement. Negative = too much movement and going in conflicting directions? Will have to reposition the 'flail a little as at the moment it's a bit close to the whip arm. It'll probably be a bugger to paint.

There are a couple of other options, but i like the sword and the razorflail the best. It also suggests that all of the squad members could be armed with flaily, swingy-round weapons...

Carwheel guy = arm has come off, and I'm thinking of starting again with him with a new body. I'll have to salvage the legs, the helmet and the weapon arm to do so. The new body has a little bit of a bend in it though, and the weight-bearing shoulder is higher, so it will help with the positioning. I think I'll have to do some fairly extensive reconstruction on the weight-bearing arm though, and I only have so many bitz left, so we'll have to see what happens.

righto, let's have another go shall we?

Cartwheel guy - not entirely sure if he's better, worse, or exactly the same lol
Different body, right leg, left arm and head. ...probably would have been quicker to say that only the gun arm and left leg were the same!
Now, bear in mind: no greenstuffing has taken place yet, so there are great honkin' gaps everywhere. I haven't glued him to a base yet, so that's not the final position. I think there'll be more of a lean to the right, so there'll be a more obvious angle going on.
I think he's better...

Whip guy - MUCH better. I went with the sword because even though I liked the razorflail, the sword creates this lovely long line and finishes off the curve beautifully.

Onwards and upwards

Agreed. Both much better. Good job.
Would be nice to see a different angle of cartwheel guy, if you get a chance.

Sword looks great with lash whip DE, I think it looks very fluid and deadly and graceful, that's the one I am most looking forward to seeing finished! cartwheel is cool but it's still a little bit away from paint so I'll wait and see how he/she progresses :-)

Look good fin. I love seeing the WIP shots.

Can't wait for the next update!

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The lash girl(?) is looking excellent its a very fluid pose. Hard to see how cartwheel guys legs are positioned from that pic could you take one from his side?

Yes, Lash wielder is pure movement frozen. Great!

And cartwheeler looks even better now, too, somehow now there is tension in it. Tilting it slightly too the right sounds good, though.

Just had a thought: how about modelling a string of blood drops forming an arc from the left shoetip-blade further to the left and down? Not too much, no splatter, just a handfull of droplets like pearls on a thread, that would emphasize the notion of movement and in the same moment provoke images of kung fu style one master against lots of thugs?

Yet I hope your original idea for the whiplasher with the hand down will find it's realisation in the end, too. It is a great classic posture wich promises a lot of power to be unleashed. And with your crafting skills you could for sure sculpt a complete torso bearing the necessary twist of the shoulder?

Incredible what you achive posture-wise. Looking at the photos at dakka one tends to forget how small those little figures are. And most people would not show such skill trying out sculpture with lets say action figure scale.

I love the whip guy. You've nailed the flow across the figure. I think the problem with the cartwheel guy is that his center of gravity isn't over the supporting arm. Can you spline his torso a bit maybe? So that it has more of an arc to it? That might give you a nicer 'S' curve from the foot to the ground.

Like Hruotland said, you're dealing with a figure about an inch tall. It's pretty amazing all the same.

more shots you want, so more shots you shall have. (apologies for the wonky angle on a couple of them!)

Not finished with the greenstuff yet, so ignore gap-issues (you can still see the eye on the helmet too - that'll be blank when I'm done so ignore that).

Also, next one done... was feeling lazy on this one, and really couldn't be bothered to reposition the hips/legs, so he doesn't look quite like his sketch, but these things happen. Haven't started the greenstuffing on him yet.
I actually don't mind him, and I kind of like the wind-up on the flail arm for the swing. Not too sure what's going on with the base/his feet - I'm tempted to put him on a bit of a flying base so it looks like he's mid-leap sort of thing...

I was wondering about adding some blood/gore to whip guy's sword, but I'm not sure. I agree with you in that it should be delicate and not overpower things... I'll have a think.

I was imagining blood drops not on whiplash guy, but on the bladed boot of cartwheel. Although seeing him from different angles now I feel it is not neccessary to emphasize movement this way, In my opinion you have nailed down the rotation now.
And even a figure you "don't mind" has sooo much movement in it...
Wow!

Yep, cartwheel guy looks perfect, the leg positions sell the movement.
And wind-up guy looks great.

Your posing gives me hope that it is posible to make these models look like they are doing something other than just standing around.
I have a saw that I'm planning on introducing to some Eldar models I have, I'm not going to be producing anything as dynamic as you have here, but certainly more than what you get in the box.
Actually, do you have any advice when it comes to hacking up Eldar? I have an idea of what I'm going to do; cut through joints, avoid armour plates, make it look natural... is there anything you have learned that may help?

thanks guys

I think the advice I can give Dr H is to have a plan before you start hacking - having done the sketches, the cutting and hacking went much swifter and I knew what I had to do, so at least do some rough plans first. I'd also advise to have more bitz around than you think you need, as plans always change, and you might need extras!

Thanks, that makes sense. I'll be starting small anyway (reposition a leg here or there) and see where it goes.
I have the battleforce, so plenty of pieces to play with, although no spare legs, but I do have plenty of milliput...

the squad is all assembled, let the greenstuffing begin!
Flik came together fairly easily, but again the shoulders are a bit awkward, but not a whole lot I could do about that.
The last guy is again a bit different from the initial sketch, but there we go. Decided to go for it and add the back banner as it'll give me the chance to do some freehand on it. Considering how top-heavy it is, it balances remarkably well.

I still have the basing to think about - I'm still liking the idea of a DEldar arena, so I could go for some sand and a few DEldar bladey-spiky things coming out of the ground... ?

Dark Eldar Harlequins, yup, that's what you've just done. You had a dance-off with GW and your crew won.

that actually made me laugh out loud - and I am now envisaging Space Marines breakdancing (a la Wheelie in the seminal Transformers: the Movie)

Always happy to cheer a fellow converter onwards to greater heights. But seriously, you've really nailed the poses on this crew and the GS is very well blended into the existing model. Even now, I can tell that once the primer goes on, seams will be all but invisible.

I hope so! Otherwise it'll be back in with the file. I have to repeat: liquid greenstuff = GENIUS

I've been trying to figure out an alternative Harli squad (I hate the lapels on those coats) and these are awesome! Very nice work. Thanks for the inspiration.

Dude, those look amazing!

Really makes me wish I could sculpt! My Wyches now look like trash

Each poseur in its own is impressing, but the group shot, or shall I say Troupe shot is incredible! This is so much more than squads out of the box, it is breathtaking! Were these figs actually starting to move forward and hack my marines-on-parade into pieces of lead junk, I would buy that without questioning. Again: wow!

Butiful just don't quite cut it. You are gifted ma friend, gifted.