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I think a limit of 4 words is acceptable per game haha Just not in tourneys

 punkow wrote:

-Berlusconi
-Mussolini

Fuckin dwarves... no offense for the Dwarves. (yeah, I'm italian too)

I guess for me only in friendly games where I know the person, and when there aren't kids around (well, define kid haha).

I mean, the people I play with don't curse often but we jokingly do once in a while when one of us rolls really terribly in a almost guaranteed roll (like a 2+ to wound and we fail all like 8-9 rolls which as happened)

I try not to when there are kids around (my old FLGS had a swear box too) but it's so intrinsic to how I speak that I find it very difficult to stop.

Censorship is silly. I have just as much right to swear as others have the right to be offended by it. I'm not a complete jerk that runs around my FLGS swearing at children and flipping them off mind you, but if I swear while there are kids around i'm not too concerned either.

I hate hearing dozens of bad words during a game, even a friendly one: it is very rude. Especially when you swear after every single bad roll.

If you really can't help cursing, at least try to use milder words.

I don't really like it :-(

A foul mouth, an uncontrolled "potty" mouth has no place in gaming or anything else!
I have conceded tournament matches when my opponent could not control his mouth even after I have politely asked him to refrain from such vulgarity or vainity(taking the name of deity in vain).
I have no need whatsoever for this in my life.

I have left cinemas, plays, etc. where I have paid good money when the vulgarity or vainity gets excessive in my book.
I have given such events, where I can, scathing feedback for their inability to be verbally polite.
If possible from foreknowledge, I do not watch DVDs if the reason for the rating is "whatever adjective" language; I just have no desire to hear it.
I do not listen to any CDs and I do not ever go to a concert of someone that have a Parental Advisory attached to them or their music; what need I have for such filth?

If someone is creative with their verbal curses ("By my mother's camel's posterior" I have actually heard that one), I give them some latitude, but if they cannot express disappointment and happiness politely while I play them, I will ask for some consideration of their normal habits.
If that person is unwilling to be polite after such a request, I call the game at that point, they get the lowest score possible for sportmanship I can give them if at a tournament and I make a formal complaint with the judges/referees.
I just do not need such trash in my life.

In person, at work, at an event, simply where I am at, when persons suffer vainity of the mouth, I am in a habit of asking what did deity do to them for them to talk so.
More often than not, WAY more often than not, they are confused by the question.
I again ask what did deity do to them that they need to use the deity's name so rudely, crudely and downright filthily.
Usually, people just give some excuse for their language at this point.
I then ask if they really understand how terribly offensive this speech of theirs is to people around them.
The overwhelming majority claim they have no idea how offensive it is or if it is in fact offensive.
Boy, how has our societies have fallen in just the last fifty years or so.

So, no cursing please.
I will not play you ever again if you cannot control your mouth.


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 Lord Manimal wrote:
Meh. The idea that words can be "bad" or "good" is giving them power. To suggest that words have power by themselves is to indicate a misguided belief in "majik"; using power words and all that. The equivalent of feck happens to have one of the most robust histories in all of worddom (My word!!!) and is a noun, verb, etc. all at the same time. The most versatile word in history! It can be good, bad, implied, shouted, whispered, emoted, communicated without sound (middle finger!) etc.

I have children that are aged 11, 9 and 4 and they've heard it all from their sailor dad; me! I don't give two donkey ****s what any ****ing body says. They're top of their class, brilliant students that, like myself, appreciate it as a form of expression, and, occasionally a well wordsmithed art form. I generally want to punch people in the face that think a word by itself is for some reason magical, or taboo. It's the emotion conveyed by the word. I can say "I'll see you later." with gritted teeth at the end of a game and have somebody worried about what I'll do later, vice saying "Feck this game. I rolled like a **** in a ***house on ****." and possibly make them laugh.

The idea of protecting the imaginary honor or sanctity of kids is an idea proposed by people that I presume probably don't talk to them about drugs or secks either, until little Jimmy comes home cracked out, with a prostitute on his arm cursing his mom and dad for not preparing him for the real world. lol

I will simply and politely say, based upon great experience, much education and a whole lot of training, that people who think like this are a serious part of the PROBLEM of our modern society.
And then, far more often than not, these people wonder why our society has become such a cesspool.
Duh!


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Savis wrote:
I don't mind cursing as such. If you do it a couple of times during a game when you fail the critcial rolls it's no worries but I will view you in a lesser light if you use a curse word every other sentence. Also if youngsters do it "just to be cool" I will tell them off.

Folks, what is wrong with just a groan or a cheer?!?
Seriously!!!
Why does anyone have to curse other than to be absolutely crude and offensive?
There is never a need to curse!

Of course you tell off youth for their abysmal behavior and language.
You should also use the same level of reprimand, if not more firmly with an adult who definitely knows better!!


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 Nerdegamer wrote:
It all depends on who you are playing with.
With friends and family who know you, let it fly in moderation, as long as there is an understanding of "No harm, no foul" between your competitors.
With complete strangers, keep your swearing to a minimum, last thing you want to do is leave a lasting impression on your opponents that you are not a good sportsman.

Why?
Seriously why?
Why is there any difference with what people are around you?
If they are human, do they not have the right to an unoffensive conversation with you around the gaming table no matter what their age, gender, what ever criteria, where ever you are?

There is no real excuse!
Control yourself!


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 Gailbraithe wrote:

Atre wrote:

Gailbraithe wrote:The entire concept of "profanity" is a relic of Victorian sensibilities, and is mostly an encoding of their class prejudices -- that's why words with a Germanic origin are "curse words," but Latin root words with the same meaning are "clean." It's a clash of the vulgar argot of British peasantry with the classic education of the upper class. And I have no fecking idea why we modern Americans are supposed to cling to these prejudices.

Ah, of course, how could we forget. The victorian working classes were renowned for their knowledge of northern European languages.

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension, or are you just incredibly ignorant of history? Your comment seems to indicate both that you completely misunderstood my comment, and that you don't have any understanding of the origins of the English language.

The vulgar argot of the British peasantry is full of Germanic root words, which is hardly surprising since the English language developed from Germanic languages. It has nothing to do with the working class having a knowledge of northern European languages -- its simply a fact that English is full of Germanic roots. It was the upper class that was educated and thus familiar with Latin and the romance languages. That's why "cock," with its strong Germanic roots, is a "dirty" word and "penis," which is Latin in origin, is "clean," even though the two words mean the exact same thing. What that means is that the more strongly one insists that "cock" is foul-language but that "penis" is acceptable, the more one is mindlessly embracing Victorian prejudices that were originally developed to further class consciousness in Victorian society. Likewise, "gak" is derived from the Middle Low German schite, while "feces" is Latinate. "feth" is clearly of Germanic origin, having the same general sound and meaning as the German "ficken," the Dutch "fokken" and the Swedish "fokka," while "intercourse" is, again, Latinate.

So again: When people complain about dirty words, they are engaging in utterly silly and ridiculous prejudices against working class British people of the 17th century. That's not just silly, it's actually stupid, and almost completely indefensible. It is the unthinking, uncritical act of people who make no effort to educate themselves, to understand history, and instead cling mindlessly to traditions they don't understand and whose purpose -- to create a sense of inferiority in working people and to artificially inflate the supposed moral character of the wealthy -- is actively malign.

In short: Complaining about swearing marks a person as both ignorant and prejudiced. You might as well insist that the white man is superior to the savage and unchristian black, and that men have a natural right to dominate weak and corruptible women. I mean hey, if you're going to embrace the prejudices of Victorians, why not go whole hog?

Harsh, but true.

Edited to Add: You'll note that this website has edited the content of my post to hide some of these dirty, dirty German origin words. And why? Because of mindlessness. Because of the unwillingness of this forum's operators to learn the history of their own language and to reject a class consciousness that insists that the working class is morally corrupt and "dirty." It's inane, and I have zero respect for people who think that using "clean" language is somehow more proper.

"Mindless" is your inane defense of offensive behavior that can, in fact, be linked to societies long before Victorian England.
You sir, are the one that is historically ignorant here!

BTW Gailbraithe, YOU are the rude one in that entire exchange with Atre earlier.
Atre was simply trying to explain to you, in a well educated fashion, why you were/are completely, totally and absolutely wrong in this matter.
You are the one who started talking down to Atre, being demeaning to him, being every last negative thing you accused him of being, you were first and only one guilty of.
I find such behavior all the time when people are defending what they did/do despite knowing full well that what they did was nothing but wrong.
Gailbraithe, Atre simply tried to explain to you your error in the only context you supplied him.
He tried valiantly, but thanks to your stone noggin', Atre failed gloriously.

Atre, howabout we visit Gailbraithe with some liquid Ivory or some other liquid dish soap of your choice and apply it to his mouth.
Did wonders in the First Grade decades ago with my use of profanity!

I have now completed the nine full pages and the tenth part page of this thread.
I am really "confused" about some peoples' attitudes.
Why is it acceptable to profane your friends rather than strangers?!?
Would not you want to be kindest to those whom you value the most (aka your friends)?
Meanwhile most are recommending being their meanest to these people.

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It is, for practicing religionists of the Book, all about Commandment #3 if not simply treating your fellow human as best as you would like to be treated.
You just do not swear, profane, or speak in any like manner.
How is that so hard for so many of you to simply commit to NOT do it?

Also for the ones that feel the expression of lots of profanity is not a reflection of intelligence, let me say, "Sorry." now.
Study after study over the last 90 years or so have repeatedly found that the profound use of profanity goes hand-in-hand with low scores on every measure that science has access to about intelligence including all forms of the Wechsler.
Really people, folks here do not say this fact just to get you angry.
Science has spoken.
What I would like to see is for one of you angry people to present to us here one reputable study that says there is no connection between the two.
That would be worth talking about and seeing how the people responsible measured their results.
Yes, two of my degrees, among my five, are in psych.

I swear all the time, and am a horrible person. at 14 I don't see why you should not swear infront of kids, unless at them. look at dr. cox from scrubs, make him fat, 14, and 20percent more of an donkey-cave. BAMN me. I swear all the time in games, although I only play with my buds so..

 the shrouded lord wrote:
I swear all the time, and am a horrible person. at 14 I don't see why you should not swear infront of kids, unless at them. look at dr. cox from scrubs, make him fat, 14, and 20percent more of an donkey-cave. BAMN me. I swear all the time in games, although I only play with my buds so..

What I do not understand is the necessity for different standards of behavior.
You know: in front of women, in front of children, in front of clergymen, etc.
If one just keeps it polite and clean at all times, you are set no matter who is around.

The use of profanity, curse, expletive, obscenity, lewdness, blasphemy and the ilk & so forth is simply a behavioral choice that has consequences that are nothing but devolving.
Why start down the early part of this slippery slope, when recovery, the effort needed to reverse course, is so difficult when compared to never going down that way ever?

For gaming, for school, for life, I use groans, cheers, a downed head, an enthusiastic "Yes!" with a fist pump and so forth.
One can manage to express yourself quite clearly without a single piece of expletive and so forth.

I only tolerate it and do it myself in private settings with friends. In one of our houses, we swear up a storm, and devolve into cro-magnons as we flip our lids over stupid things.

In public though, at stores or when there's any kind of audience, I don't like it at all. I don't swear myself, and it embarrasses me when my opponents are doing it because it makes me look bad as well. People who can't control their vulgarities are contemptible.

I try to keep foul language to a minimum around kids. Even if they use the naughty words, keeping your own language clean gives you some form of imaginary moral high-ground. Who doesn't want to feel all superior and such?

But if it's all adults, anything goes.

As long as nobody is offended and it's not every second word that comes out of the player's mouth, I can tolerate it. I try to avoid cursing if possible though... to some extent. Changing how the swear word sounds or blocking off a swear word like this: is usually what I try to do instead.

@DouglasJB: I go to a selective English grammar school. If you don't already know, that means my peers and I are generally the most intelligent 2% in the country.
Hey, guess what? Apart from those of us who have been conditioned from an early age to look down on "profanities", we're as foul-mouthed as everyone else!

Unless you can show me substantial verifiable evidence, I still don't believe swearing is an indicator of low intelligence.

 DouglasJB wrote:
What I do not understand is the necessity for different standards of behavior.

... Because behaviours are context driven?

If one just keeps it polite and clean at all times, you are set no matter who is around.

But, and this is what you seem to have a problem grasping, swearing in a friendly context isn't impolite. Being polite boils down to showing regards to others in your actions. If you know you will not offend others by your word, then there is no harm in the use of words that would be otherwise potentially harmful.

The use of profanity, curse, expletive, obscenity, lewdness, blasphemy and the ilk & so forth is simply a behavioral choice that has consequences that are nothing but devolving.

Why? Socially, I have grown close to friends who have always attempted everything possible to push the limit of the tasteless, in matters of insults. These are socially succesful individuals, all hailing from one of the best scored private school from the country. Why does this language game we play should 'devolve' us?

I don't mind too much in most friendly and private games, however I'd prefer my opponent not cursing and if they do only when it'a warranted (dropping something on their foot, breaking a model, losing an important unit, etc.)

-Shrike- wrote:
@DouglasJB: I go to a selective English grammar school. If you don't already know, that means my peers and I are generally the most intelligent 2% in the country.
Hey, guess what? Apart from those of us who have been conditioned from an early age to look down on "profanities", we're as foul-mouthed as everyone else!

Unless you can show me substantial verifiable evidence, I still don't believe swearing is an indicator of low intelligence.

You are as foul-mouthed as "everyone else" Shrike?
Really?
I think you would be shocked at how many Catholics and Mormons(Latter-day Saints) do not swear whatsoever in your own country, let alone such around the world!
And to be specific, I mean those who claim such a faith and practice it every day and attend church services regularly.
It is against the tenets of both of those faiths to curse.
So Shrike you evidently swear much more than a decent portion of everyone around you.

I knew people who went to schools, like what you describe, in Britain when I was but a youngster.
They did not "swear like sailors" unless two things had occurred:
1) their parents just did not care or were of a class that thought nothing of it;
&
2) the students made the active choice, each as an individual, to be foul mouthed.
Being foul-mouthed is not a natural state Shrike

Shrike your own national health service in conjunction with several universities there in Britain have done several studies that have replicated the original study.
Since you are such a bright boy, I will leave it up to you to look them up yourself, okay?

Then again, your decision to be foul-mouthed could be evidence that intelligence is more of a sphere concept like Howard Gardner pushes.
One can be academically brilliant but a total pisśant idiot when it comes to street/practical smarts.
I have not studied Gardner for years, but I still believe I have a handle on his theories.

So Shrike, you can be as foul-mouthed as you desire, but really, what does a foul mouth say about the quality of person you are?
Still, even in this day & age and even over there on your side of the Pond, quality means something.


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 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 DouglasJB wrote:
What I do not understand is the necessity for different standards of behavior.

... Because behaviours are context driven?

Really?
And what context drives the idea that cursing is okay?
Has so much of the world really lost the handle on what being good and strong is all about?

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 DouglasJB wrote:
If one just keeps it polite and clean at all times, you are set no matter who is around.

But, and this is what you seem to have a problem grasping, swearing in a friendly context isn't impolite. Being polite boils down to showing regards to others in your actions. If you know you will not offend others by your word, then there is no harm in the use of words that would be otherwise potentially harmful.

But are you raising up, edifying, your friends with the use of such filthy language together?
Seriously, are any of you becoming better men, better people, for the use of profanity during your group activities?
Honestly!
I have studied group dynamics in the field and I already now the truth based upon comparisons between groups that do and do not use profanities in their activities KO.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 DouglasJB wrote:
The use of profanity, curse, expletive, obscenity, lewdness, blasphemy and the ilk & so forth is simply a behavioral choice that has consequences that are nothing but devolving.

Why? Socially, I have grown close to friends who have always attempted everything possible to push the limit of the tasteless, in matters of insults. These are socially succesful individuals, all hailing from one of the best scored private school from the country. Why does this language game we play should 'devolve' us?

Are you who you could have been, even should have been, except for choices of this caliber you all made together?
Or have you missed out on greater successes?
Better jobs that the interviewer heard you curse through the window after you left?
Or that interviewer remembered you or a friend with you engaging in a rather dim-witted behavior while cursing in a public green area a while back?
Did all of you get into your first and best choice for tertiary training?
Or did something you did a while before get recalled and you then just did not make the "cut" into the institution.

In other words KO, these fellows that you are still friends with, have they or you been the millstone about someone's neck, and they are just not as better off as they could have been?
Making such a poor decision as to become foul-mouthed may have been just one of several bad choices that could have distinctly bad results in your lives.
This could be just the first steps toward extremely bad decisions like cheating on one's spouse, cheating on one's employers or some other selfish nonsense.
Talk to people who have been imprisoned for large crimes KO.
None came out one day and out of the blue, decide to do what got them incarcerated.
Small and minute steps were taken, including the decision to be profane in their language according to interviews with them while in prison.

 DouglasJB wrote:

Really?
And what context drives the idea that cursing is okay?

The (very obvious) non-confrontational nature of that particular social dynamic.

 DouglasJB wrote:
But are you raising up, edifying, your friends with the use of such filthy language together?
Seriously, are any of you becoming better men, better people, for the use of profanity during your group activities?
Honestly!

Actually, yes. In quite a few cases, it'd be a lot harder to engage others in discussions about philosophy and phenomenology during our talks if I had to restrict myself to a professional langage. By using rather dirty flourish, I keep their attention and can pass on a modicum of what I study.

 DouglasJB wrote:
Are you who you could have been, even should have been, except for choices of this caliber you all made together?
Or have you missed out on greater successes?

9 years ago I was homeless and jobless in a town 5000km away from the closest person who knew me, and had my entire possessions in two bags of clothes. I'm now finishing a Master in philosophy, and can realistically hope to start teaching inside the next year. My life would've been a hell of a lot easier if it wasn't for a few swirves and bumps, but all in all, it's pretty ballin. And none of those bumps have ever been about swearing in the wrong context. For this, I thank my mom who married and loved an insufferable blasphemer, but never tolerated swearing in her very presence. It bred me and my sisters to be very context-aware.

Better jobs that the interviewer heard you curse through the window after you left?

Hum, I said I swore occasionnaly, not that I was an inbred moron.

Or that interviewer remembered you or a friend with you engaging in a rather dim-witted behavior while cursing in a public green area a while back?

That falls into the 'context' category.

Did all of you get into your first and best choice for tertiary training?

Yes. Although getting my second choice, the first time around, would've saved me about 5 years.

Or did something you did a while before get recalled and you then just did not make the "cut" into the institution.

Hum, no. Ah! Yes, once, I tripped a note while playing a piano concert, and consequently let loose a healthy "Feth!". The audience quite laughed, me too, but later I didn't get selected for a guitar workshop because the teacher said I'd have to practice being more subtle at missing notes. Which is fine, really, because I'm a terrible guitar player and there's no helping that.

In other words KO, these fellows that you are still friends with, have they or you been the millstone about someone's neck, and they are just not as better off as they could have been?

Well, one of them is a politician, so you could say he's going to be a millstone about someone's neck at some point But no, they are all very good, very decent fellows. I'd marry any of them to my sisters.

Talk to people who have been imprisoned for large crimes KO.
None came out one day and out of the blue, decide to do what got them incarcerated.
Small and minute steps were taken, including the decision to be profane in their language according to interviews with them while in prison.

Yes. Because they are in confrontational situations, and profane language is used in that context to communicate anger and threats.

It appears that life has been "interesting" for you too.

I still do not see in all of your reply, how blaspheming, cursing, swearing, profaning, etc. in any form is okay.
Why can you not respect all others like you do your mother?

If all the profaners, swearers, cursers and blasphemers could just stop trying to be "cool" and respect others like you do your mother, then there would be no need for this thread.
Moreover, I would not have to be so selective in my decisions with whom I will play.

After all of what you wrote, if you still think cursing during a game is just fine, why did you write any of it?
Do you suffer from MPD?
Or do you play with such trash?
Honestly, read what you wrote from a point of view you should be familiar with - your mother's.

Seriously man, if you can control yourself around your mother, why not do so elsewhere?
Ask your mother's opinion on you cursing elsewhere.
Do you respect your mother enough, that if she tells you to stop it, will you stop?!?

This -ing topic has been the -ing funniest Sh- I've read in an -ing long time!

Cheers to all the wowsers who make life entertaining for me!

I don't mind swearing on the tabletop, a nice healthy "Mutherfether" after a batch of 1's does wonders . Helps that my club is 80% grognards Still, wouldn't swear in front of kids if I can help it unless I don't notice the little blighters.

I have never been able to hex anyone so I have never been able to curse during a game.

 DouglasJB wrote:

I still do not see in all of your reply, how blaspheming, cursing, swearing, profaning, etc. in any form is okay.!

While I fail to see what is wrong with it, particularly in an informal setting.

What I find especially distasteful about your attitude is that you seem to think that people who swear are somehow inferior human beings, frankly that is utter bollocks.

-Shrike- wrote:
@DouglasJB: I go to a selective English grammar school. If you don't already know, that means my peers and I are generally the most intelligent 2% in the country.

But sadly not intelligent enough to understand statistics.

In most grammar school areas, you need to be in the top 20 per cent. So you're innumerate as well as deluded and potty-mouthed.

 Palindrome wrote:
What I find especially distasteful about your attitude is that you seem to think that people who swear are somehow inferior human beings, frankly that is utter bollocks.

I wouldn't take it too seriously. He's trolling every thread he posts in.

Well, I'm a construction manager, and I have to be honest, that the F-bomb is more of a comma (To quote Lewis Black) when you're on a job site.

There are a few good apples but at the end of the day the words all blend together. Long hours, hard work, etc. usually grinds a man down.

As for swearing at a tabletop game? Eh, I've been cursing at video games my entire life, this is no different. I feel that everyone burns some steam when they drop a curse, but I do restrain around the kiddies as best I can. Rollin' all 1's doesn't make me shout for joy.

As a Welshman living in England, I can get away with swearing in my home tongue without anyone knowing that I have done so.

 fishy bob wrote:

 Palindrome wrote:
What I find especially distasteful about your attitude is that you seem to think that people who swear are somehow inferior human beings, frankly that is utter bollocks.

I wouldn't take it too seriously. He's trolling every thread he posts in.

That is an interesting opinion fishy bob.
Should I report you for being rude?
Or just shake my head about some people on the Net and simply move on?
You seem to be going out of your way to be rude and insulting though.
Hmm.

And I am trolling in every one bucko?
Does that mean everytime you post an opinion or some information, you too are trolling only fishy bob?
A serious and almost terminal case of the pot calling the kettle black with this posting of yours fishy bob.
Sad, really sad.
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 Palindrome wrote:
What I find especially distasteful about your attitude is that you seem to think that people who swear are somehow inferior human beings, frankly that is utter bollocks.

And somehow, just somehow Palindrome, I have been the only person on this whole thread and elsewhere on Dakka Dakka that thinks your postings and the attitude found therein are lacking at all?

As to the intelligence issue, why are you acting like the only people you have heard that from have been on this thread is me?
It has been mentioned repeatedly.
Seriously man, take some psych, developmental and sociology coursework and hear it from the professors and other instructors there.
That is unless you are concerned they will prove it flawlessly that it is true?

And Palindrome, I was under no false idea that I can convince the lot of you that swearing and such just is not the wise course of action.
Too many of you do it simply to try to shock and awe your opponents.
Hopefully, these gamers you have so verbally abused simply learn not to play you again after the initial spoken abuse coming forth from you.

 DouglasJB wrote:

As to the intelligence issue, why are you acting like the only people you have heard that from have been on this thread is me?

Perhaps because I didn't read all 10 pages? The sole reason that I even posted here is because it was flagged up as the most recent topic and it looked such an unlikely reason for a poll, even in this rather eclectic subforum.

As to the science of swearing lets just say that it doesn't seem to match up to your position, to be honest there seems to be little in the way of actual research into the psychology of swearing and none at all as to its use as a marker for intelligence, or if there is google scholar can't find it or it doesn't show up in the first few pages of results. I would be most interested in reading any pertinent articles that you can find.

I did find a couple of interesting popular science articles however.

http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/publications/observer/2012/may-june-12/the-science-of-swearing.html

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/03/30/why-do-we-swear/

No one has ever refused to play me so clearly the people that I have played don't really give a gak.




I'll just leave this here and it is NSFW although why you would be watching Youtube videos at work (or even reading a forum) is a little beyond me.

One of these days I will learn how to spell....

Stephen Fry is awesome, thank you for sharing that clip, I hadn't seen it before. I don't think it's proper to curse around children (which is what I voted). But around grown adults, I don't have any problem letting some slip, though I usually apologize after the first slippage to guage their response. I work construction as an Operator, and for those who don't know, the curse words fly all the time on the jobsite, even over radio chatter. The saying "Cursing like a sailor" needs to be amended to "Cursing like an iron worker" haha! But really when you're around it all the time, you tend to slip into it yourself and catch yourself doing it without even realizing it.

Swearing has no basis on how intelligent a person is. If you wish to continue to claim that it does DouglasJB please provide some evidence to back up your claim. I have spent time in the field is a meaningless appeal to authority and proves nothing.

If you avoid plays, art, movies and music due to swearing you are missing out on a great deal of great pieces of work needlessly.

I think judging people as some how less worthy of respect because they swear says a lot more about you than swearing says about them.

I dont care that mormons and catholics do not swear their standards for what is right or wrong are very different to my own.

Finally the world does not owe you the right to not be offended. People do not have to and should not have to conform to your moral code. If ever there was a victimless crime blaspheme is one. Either God doesn't exist and thus who cares, or God does exist and I am sure can survive that someone said his name with a poor attitude.

Feel free to judge and dismiss people based on the fact they swear but I am of the opinion it is one of the most asinine reasons to judge people there is.


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I love how you call other people rude and impolite while you have said things here far ruder than a simple swear word. There is nothing polite about saying

"I will simply and politely say, based upon great experience, much education and a whole lot of training, that people who think like this are a serious part of the PROBLEM of our modern society.
And then, far more often than not, these people wonder why our society has become such a cesspool."

What a short sighted and ignorant view that someone who swears are a serious problem in society. Education did not teach you that, it is your own personal bias.

Income Inequality is a serious problem in modern society, explitives are not.