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 Gitsplitta wrote:
Perhaps, but Chicago zombies would be organized and exceptionally well armed!

And they would vote... Twice!

Back to topic, Liked the Rick is crazy storyline, but enough is enough already.

He was a sheriff he should get his stuff together and move on.

Glad to see Daryl is back, wondering what is in store for Merle and the group. Hopefully they will have a good episode next week.

I love catching tweets from @TheRickGrimes, which just tweets out humorous things relating to the character. From this Sunday? "Thanks for giving me space while I went searching for my dead slut wife."

Oh Rick Grimes, you so cray

 Alfndrate wrote:
I love catching tweets from @TheRickGrimes, which just tweets out humorous things relating to the character. From this Sunday? "Thanks for giving me space while I went searching for my dead slut wife."

Oh Rick Grimes, you so cray

Thats awesome.

Does anyone else think Myrle is still working for the governor? that fight scene seemed staged and the governor seemed pleased that those two escaped together.

he loves it when a plan comes together?

And now there he is with a man inside the prison, just like those two talked about earlier.

sirlynchmob wrote:
Does anyone else think Myrle is still working for the governor? that fight scene seemed staged and the governor seemed pleased that those two escaped together.

he loves it when a plan comes together?

And now there he is with a man inside the prison, just like those two talked about earlier.

I'd like to hope that Merle is not going to have "Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal" said to him, as that would seem just a tad bit too cliched

Merle doesn't strike me as the type to do a suicide mission. And let's be honest, he beat the hell out of Glen, nearly killed Michone, and stood by while Maggie was tortured. He's nuts but in his own way reasonable.

Who would honestly think he'd have a chance at being accepted into the group? To many variables would have to fall into place for it to work out.

Not saying he won't betray later for his own advantage, just that it's not a conveluted plot to do so from the beginning. He seems genuine when he's telling Darryl that the govenor most likely already killed his friends because that's the type of man he is.

With all the plot twists so far, I really wouldn't be surprised if Merle found some place in the group. First of all his character is the guy you love to hate, even more so than the governor, and Rooker is an awesome actor. The series is all about how the circumstances completely changes morality and people and their relationships, you have good guys turning bad... good going insane... many different transformations of character. Merle is a donkey cave but they are trying to flesh out his character more, exploring the scared (abused) kid that is inside and defines his personality.

Hulksmash wrote:Merle doesn't strike me as the type to do a suicide mission. And let's be honest, he beat the hell out of Glen, nearly killed Michone, and stood by while Maggie was tortured. He's nuts but in his own way reasonable.
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He also happily attacked Daryl at the start to try and save his own hide

Meade wrote:With all the plot twists so far, I really wouldn't be surprised if Merle found some place in the group. First of all his character is the guy you love to hate, even more so than the governor, and Rooker is an awesome actor. The series is all about how the circumstances completely changes morality and people and their relationships, you have good guys turning bad... good going insane... many different transformations of character. Merle is a donkey cave but they are trying to flesh out his character more, exploring the scared (abused) kid that is inside and defines his personality.

The Governor at the very least has some good intentions behind his actions, Merle just seems to be evil for evil's sake at this point

also this

I'm not quite sure what the governor's good intentions are...

I hope the show doesn't try to outsmart itself and have Merle as a double agent. Even though Merle will probably end up joining the group the odds of that happening from the Govenor's point of view are very low.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I hope the show doesn't try to outsmart itself and have Merle as a double agent. Even though Merle will probably end up joining the group the odds of that happening from the Govenor's point of view are very low.

I'll preface by noting I didn't see Usnday's episode yet.
It would be interesting to actually have Merle go Mano O Mano with the Governor.

I personally can't see Merle surviving much longer. I hope that he and Daryl settle their brotherly bond thing so that it doesn't ruin Daryl's character, but at the same time a hero's death would be acceptable, perhaps buying the group time to flee the prison...

The whole Merle thing is played out.

 Alfndrate wrote:
I'm not quite sure what the governor's good intentions are...

Well initially he was trying to defend a piece of civilisation in the form of woodbury, maybe he was a bit harsh on accepting new people but he knew they wouldn't be able to cope with the excess mouths. His intentions were good but his execution and method is what lead him on the path to insanity

I think nearly all major characters have had some development in the show, and changed from what they originally were. It certainly isn't a sign that they will be leaving the show. Although I seem to recall T-dog being pretty one dimensional.
Merle got brought back from an entire season being gone, I really think they are trying to milk his character and do something with it. Although the great thing about the story is that at any time, any major character could go.

The governor, in his conversations with Andrea, believes that he has some special ability, to be ruthless and to kill, beyond what normal people possess that is going to allow him to rebuild civilization. In his own mind he thinks he is the good guy.

Everyone is the hero of their own story

Only the worst written characters do evil things because "they are evil", even villains in comics like Dr. Doom are trying to gain power to mould the world into their vision because they believe it will do everyone good

 Byte wrote:
The whole Merle thing is played out.

Agreed. Just kill him already.

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I'm not quite sure what the governor's good intentions are...

Well initially he was trying to defend a piece of civilisation in the form of woodbury, maybe he was a bit harsh on accepting new people but he knew they wouldn't be able to cope with the excess mouths. His intentions were good but his execution and method is what lead him on the path to insanity

I was gonna say, the whole killing the downed helicopter pilot and keeping his head seemed a little bonkers... and killing the guy was definitely a bad thing... As well as what he implied he would do to Maggie if she didn't give up the group's location.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I'm not quite sure what the governor's good intentions are...

Well initially he was trying to defend a piece of civilisation in the form of woodbury, maybe he was a bit harsh on accepting new people but he knew they wouldn't be able to cope with the excess mouths. His intentions were good but his execution and method is what lead him on the path to insanity

I was gonna say, the whole killing the downed helicopter pilot and keeping his head seemed a little bonkers... and killing the guy was definitely a bad thing... As well as what he implied he would do to Maggie if she didn't give up the group's location.

Of course, didn't Rick's group do the same thing to the kid on the farm?

It would be interesting to think about what the survivor demographics would be, if one group discovers there's another group of actual survivors in reachable distance. In post zombie world I'd think one strong reeaction would be to go meet them, especially as both are in relatively secure locations.

Which kid? Sophie? She had already turned, I'm talking about the pilot that survived the crash and was taken back to Woodbury for treatment. None of his wounds were life threatening or from bites...

 Alfndrate wrote:
Which kid? Sophie? She had already turned, I'm talking about the pilot that survived the crash and was taken back to Woodbury for treatment. None of his wounds were life threatening or from bites...

I think he means the kid they were interrogating.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
Which kid? Sophie? She had already turned, I'm talking about the pilot that survived the crash and was taken back to Woodbury for treatment. None of his wounds were life threatening or from bites...

I think he means the kid they were interrogating.

Yes indeedy.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
Which kid? Sophie? She had already turned, I'm talking about the pilot that survived the crash and was taken back to Woodbury for treatment. None of his wounds were life threatening or from bites...

I think he means the kid they were interrogating.

Yes indeedy.

First half or second half of the second season, I will admit that I didn't see the first half, and I don't really remember much of the second half

Though I think in today's day and age, the fact that Maggie was forced to disrobe so the Governor could show his physical dominance over her, not to mention the implied rape that would happen makes him a wee bit more evil in my book. I don't even consider people in film or tv threatening death if they don't talk as too horrible of an act (yes it is still bad), because it's a technique you see used by both the good guys and the bad guys, sexual assault seems saved for the bad guys. I mean in Taken, Liam Neeson stabbed a guy in the legs with two giant nails before electrocuting him, and then leaving the power going after he left...

Is it an ends to a means sort of thing?

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
Which kid? Sophie? She had already turned, I'm talking about the pilot that survived the crash and was taken back to Woodbury for treatment. None of his wounds were life threatening or from bites...

I think he means the kid they were interrogating.

Yes indeedy.

First half or second half of the second season, I will admit that I didn't see the first half, and I don't really remember much of the second half

Though I think in today's day and age, the fact that Maggie was forced to disrobe so the Governor could show his physical dominance over her, not to mention the implied rape that would happen makes him a wee bit more evil in my book. I don't even consider people in film or tv threatening death if they don't talk as too horrible of an act (yes it is still bad), because it's a technique you see used by both the good guys and the bad guys, sexual assault seems saved for the bad guys. I mean in Taken, Liam Neeson stabbed a guy in the legs with two giant nails before electrocuting him, and then leaving the power going after he left...

Is it an ends to a means sort of thing?

It's basically this... where is "that line" when you're distinguishing between Survival and Evilness?

"Evil is a point ov view."

The governor had no reason to suspect that Rick's group would attack the town, and therefore his survival was not hinging on the knowledge of Rick's group. Has that changed now? It could have, but I highly doubt it. Rick's group is just trying to survive and is distrustful of most people around them, but they're not looking to attack people unless they threaten their ability to survive. Being a near a town isn't a threat, and thus Rick's group would have no reason to attack the town. They did attack to get their people back.

Also what happened to the people that got into the prison through the tombs? I didn't see them this episode.


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 Frazzled wrote:
"Evil is a point ov view."

Yes it is

The thing is the people of woodbury are the means to an end. The Govener really could care less, except they serve a purpose. He's a bad guy all around. Maybe my view is clouded my the comic book version, but I don't think The Governor ever had anything but selfish intentions.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
The thing is the people of woodbury are the means to an end. The Govener really could care less, except they serve a purpose. He's a bad guy all around. Maybe my view is clouded my the comic book version, but I don't think The Governor ever had anything but selfish intentions.

His intentions were to make something in this hellhole, also to see if he could get some semblance of his "daughter" did we ever establish in the show that Penny in the show is the same as Penny in the comic?

What were his intentions in the comic? In the series he's wacky but if he didn't go around killing everyone his leadership would have been ok.

ie: why attack the army convoy? Although strangely successful odds are they would have put the hurt on an ambush.

why perform an act of war on finding the new group?

Well (This is attempting his POV) the military would roll into town push around the villagers and take power for themselves, ergo taking his away from him.

And besides the national guard convoy were freaked out by the apocalypse and would be tired and happily accept another living person