Walking Dead TV Show **Spoilers** (comic talk only in spoiler tags)

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**Alfndrate**

From what I can tell from the comics, is that he is just as much of an evil person in the comics, and that penny isn't his daughter in the comic series.

I've seen more of the show than I have read of the comics.

**Infreak**

There are two books which have been released relating the The Governor called Rise of the Governor and The Road to Woodbury. You get a good idea of why The Governor is the way he is after reading those. They detail his survival just after the apocolypse and how he came to be the leader of the town. Worth the read if you like the comics and show.

**KamikazeCanuck**

In the comic he is ridiculously evil. His pupose is to be evil. He's a psychopath.

He's more nuanced in the show. Another take is that the TV show will show how he became super evil rather than the comic were when they meet him he's already evil.

TV show Rick is a bit a douche quite frankly and not even a good leader at this point (which is the opposite of the book)..Still I find the Govenor more evil because he is basically a maruader who goes around killing everyone so he can steal their stuff. That's pretty much the only thing Rick's group can say they have the morale high ground on.

**Meade**

I assumed he attacked the army convoy because he was threatened by others not loyal to him, that would usurp his authority (soldiers sworn to defend the constitution, without the ruthlessness he believes is needed to survive the zombiepocalypse). You also don't know his background, and what other rogue groups he may have faced. I doubt woodbury would have grown to the size it was without the gov taking in at least some stragglers, but usually those he could manipulate and would be subservient to him, like Merle.

Granted the gov is a pretty ruthless character, but his relationship with zombie-daughter shows that he does have some sort of compassion, rather than a straight up psychopath. He pretty much was doing the same thing that Hershel was. I see him as more motivated by revenge and personal animosity than anything else.

In Battlestar Galactica terms, the governor (in the TV series at least) is a bit like Admiral Cain, who tipped over the edge of ruthlessness (sexual assault and killing innocent civilians)... even though it could have been considered a 'rational' move from a certain perspective... while the protagonists chose to make stupid decisions but kept their humanity intact.

**Frazzled**

Infreak wrote:
There are two books which have been released relating the The Governor called Rise of the Governor and The Road to Woodbury. You get a good idea of why The Governor is the way he is after reading those. They detail his survival just after the apocolypse and how he came to be the leader of the town. Worth the read if you like the comics and show.

I'm not going to read the comics so spoiler it for me.

**KamikazeCanuck**

I think he attacked the army patrol because he wanted their stuff. And if everything didn't go screwy he would have just killed everyone in the prison and took all their stuff too. Merl was like the head of his scavenger/murdering team.

**Frazzled**

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I think he attacked the army patrol because he wanted their stuff. And if everything didn't go screwy he would have just killed everyone in the prison and took all their stuff too. Merl was like the head of his scavenger/murdering team.

Could see that. Its time honored tribal tradition. Just thinking taking on the army has a very high threat level.

**KamikazeCanuck**

Frazzled wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I think he attacked the army patrol because he wanted their stuff. And if everything didn't go screwy he would have just killed everyone in the prison and took all their stuff too. Merl was like the head of his scavenger/murdering team.

Could see that. Its time honored tribal tradition. Just thinking taking on the army has a very high threat level.

Ya....but look at all their cool stuff!

**Frazzled**

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I think he attacked the army patrol because he wanted their stuff. And if everything didn't go screwy he would have just killed everyone in the prison and took all their stuff too. Merl was like the head of his scavenger/murdering team.

Could see that. Its time honored tribal tradition. Just thinking taking on the army has a very high threat level.

Ya....but look at all their cool stuff!

...that they can shoot you with!

**Infreak**

Rise of the Governor plot summary.

Spoiler:

The Road to Woodbury plot summary

Spoiler:

**Andrew1975**

Alfndrate wrote:
Andrew1975 wrote:
The thing is the people of woodbury are the means to an end. The Govener really could care less, except they serve a purpose. He's a bad guy all around. Maybe my view is clouded my the comic book version, but I don't think The Governor ever had anything but selfish intentions.

His intentions were to make something in this hellhole, also to see if he could get some semblance of his "daughter" did we ever establish in the show that Penny in the show is the same as Penny in the comic?

He was trying to build a kingdom for himself. We can see he has very little respect for human life outside of his sheep. He just wants to be a big man, and anything that threatens that must be taken out. That's why he took out the national guard guys. He has all the trappings of a megalomaniac.

Of course he seams mild compared to Negan.

**sirlynchmob**

Meade wrote:
I assumed he attacked the army convoy because he was threatened by others not loyal to him, that would usurp his authority (soldiers sworn to defend the constitution, without the ruthlessness he believes is needed to survive the zombiepocalypse). You also don't know his background, and what other rogue groups he may have faced. I doubt woodbury would have grown to the size it was without the gov taking in at least some stragglers, but usually those he could manipulate and would be subservient to him, like Merle.

Granted the gov is a pretty ruthless character, but his relationship with zombie-daughter shows that he does have some sort of compassion, rather than a straight up psychopath. He pretty much was doing the same thing that Hershel was. I see him as more motivated by revenge and personal animosity than anything else.

In Battlestar Galactica terms, the governor (in the TV series at least) is a bit like Admiral Cain, who tipped over the edge of ruthlessness (sexual assault and killing innocent civilians)... even though it could have been considered a 'rational' move from a certain perspective... while the protagonists chose to make stupid decisions but kept their humanity intact.

I got the feeling he didn't want them back in camp telling how a strongly fortified position with trained guards got over ran. It could create a panic in his home.

Plus as those guys were supposed to be guarding the camp, and they ran with all that equipment, the gov couldn't take the chance and trust them at his camp.

**Byte**

What happened to Tyreese and his group?

I just discovered "The Walking Dead Wiki"... O the joy.

**Meade**

sirlynchmob wrote:

I got the feeling he didn't want them back in camp telling how a strongly fortified position with trained guards got over ran. It could create a panic in his home.

Plus as those guys were supposed to be guarding the camp, and they ran with all that equipment, the gov couldn't take the chance and trust them at his camp.

Yeah, more than that, the people would look to a surviving military force as a vestige of the authority they used to know, and if they military wanted to give orders, it would create a conflict... He would no longer be the 'governor' because the reality is he has no real authority.

The fact they had been overrun just feeds into his megalomania, that he is the sole savior of civilization and that if he is not ruthless, people will die... making him feel heroic.

**KamikazeCanuck**

Byte wrote:
What happened to Tyreese and his group?

I just discovered "The Walking Dead Wiki"... O the joy.

They left. Kirkman confirmed it on The Talking Dead. Rick freaked them out.

**Alfndrate**

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Byte wrote:
What happened to Tyreese and his group?

I just discovered "The Walking Dead Wiki"... O the joy.

They left. Kirkman confirmed it on The Talking Dead. Rick freaked them out.

Well that seemed kind of dumb... though it does make sense... Guess they're sticking to the "one brother at a time" :-\. I liked Tyreese and the girl... could have left the other two dead at the side of the road imo...

**Lint**

Alfndrate wrote:

Well that seemed kind of dumb... though it does make sense... Guess they're sticking to the "one brother at a time" :-\

Glad I'm not the only one who keeps seeing this trend pop up. And yeah the whole Rick going bonkers and kicking out the able bodied new guys is one of the more assinine and irritating moments of this season thus far.

**Alfndrate**

Lint wrote:
Alfndrate wrote:

Well that seemed kind of dumb... though it does make sense... Guess they're sticking to the "one brother at a time" :-\

Glad I'm not the only one who keeps seeing this trend pop up. And yeah the whole Rick going bonkers and kicking out the able bodied new guys is one of the more assinine and irritating moments of this season thus far.

I was going to take bets on how long before Tyreese and the girl were killed.

Also, was the black prisoner a zombie in the past few episodes? I thought they popped a cap in him before they left?

**Frazzled**

I thought Tyreese was a major character in the comics. Seriously he's gone? Thats nuts.

And is it me or is Michonne played really badly?

**whembly**

Frazzled wrote:
I thought Tyreese was a major character in the comics. Seriously he's gone? Thats nuts.

wait...wut?

I figured Tyreese's group would help fend off the new attacks perpetuated by the Governor's assault... perfect way for his group to ingrate to Rick's.

**Andrew1975**

Frazzled wrote:
I thought Tyreese was a major character in the comics. Seriously he's gone? Thats nuts.

And is it me or is Michonne played really badly?

I don't think he's gone permanently.

**Ahtman**

Frazzled wrote:
I thought Tyreese was a major character in the comics. Seriously he's gone? Thats nuts.

It has been stated (repeatedly) that Walking Dead TV will not be the same as the comic for several reasons, but a big one is so that comic book fans have something different to watch as well, and can have moments of surprise. It isn't meant to be a transliteration of the comic.

My bet is they end up at Woodbury and have to pick sides. For dramatic reasons and drama.

Is it trivia time? Feels like trivia time.

**KamikazeCanuck**

I'm sure Tyreese will be back. Can't blame him with Crazy Rick being crazy. That was actually a pretty funny scene where Herschel is giving his moving speech about how they should stay and convinces Rick but then he sees Lori and whips out his gun and yells "Get outta here!" and Tyreese was like alright then we're outta here.

**Alfndrate**

I did know those though

only cause I've seen that infographic before.

**Hulksmash**

Yeah, Money is on Tyreese coming back. Kirkman just said he left the prison. He's likely still around and might help clear out the new overrun areas.

**DutchKillsRambo**

The thing that bothers me as time goes on is how the ancillary characters keep getting better and better looking. I know it's just a pet peeve of mine but I just don't see tons of waif like women surviving the apocalypse. Some surely, but it seems like as the show gets more popular, people are looking less and less "real".

Also, way too many bullets being shot. But that I can handle.

**sirlynchmob**

DutchKillsRambo wrote:
The thing that bothers me as time goes on is how the ancillary characters keep getting better and better looking. I know it's just a pet peeve of mine but I just don't see tons of waif like women surviving the apocalypse. Some surely, but it seems like as the show gets more popular, people are looking less and less "real".

Also, way too many bullets being shot. But that I can handle.

rule 1: Cardio

The fatties went first

**Andrew1975**

sirlynchmob wrote:
DutchKillsRambo wrote:
The thing that bothers me as time goes on is how the ancillary characters keep getting better and better looking. I know it's just a pet peeve of mine but I just don't see tons of waif like women surviving the apocalypse. Some surely, but it seems like as the show gets more popular, people are looking less and less "real".

Also, way too many bullets being shot. But that I can handle.

rule 1: Cardio

The fatties went first

Well I think the bigger question is how are they getting their hair done all the time? Also teeth. It's television though, people have to be pretty. Try going a week or two without a shower without ruining your skin....these people have some resilient skin!

**DutchKillsRambo**

sirlynchmob wrote:
DutchKillsRambo wrote:
The thing that bothers me as time goes on is how the ancillary characters keep getting better and better looking. I know it's just a pet peeve of mine but I just don't see tons of waif like women surviving the apocalypse. Some surely, but it seems like as the show gets more popular, people are looking less and less "real".

Also, way too many bullets being shot. But that I can handle.

rule 1: Cardio

The fatties went first

Yes but there's a large amount of people (especially women) that wouldn't fit into fatty or waif territory that would probably last the longest. Think college softball players. Its just a pet peeve TV and all, but its just one of those little things that I have trouble suspending disbelief over. One of the reasons (amongst many others) why I can't watch cop shows. I grew up in a cop family and I know what female cops look like, and they're not at all what you see on TV lol.

**Andrew1975**

Wait, female cops are not all sexy and prettyand still able to take down every giant suspect with their kung fu skills? Next you will be telling me that most male cops look like the Cop from Mike and Molly! Oh wait, come to think of it.