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 Frazzled wrote:
And is it me or is Michonne played really badly?

It's you. Michonne is probably my favorite character.

Tonight's episode was interesting.

They did less of "Rick is insane plot" and that is a good thing. He needs to just get over it and move on, he has 2 kids to take care of and he can't do that while out of his gord.

 Andrew1975 wrote:


...Of course he seams mild compared to Negan.

Heh, The "Governor -V- Negan" debate is a popular one amongst my buddies and myself, I'm a bit on the fence atm as to who's "worse", but Negan is clearly a contender...will be interesting to see if he eventually turns up in the TV series.

I do have to admit I was a bit flabbergasted ( and my flabber seldom gast), at seeing Tyresse and company aiding the Gov ( comic book knee jerk of course) and am very anxious to see how that plays out.

I got bored last night, and started tweeting things Carl was thinking using last night's hashtag #Iwantyou, and it was things like, "#Iwantyou to stop being the leader and start being my dad." or "#Iwantyou to get out of here Andrea, you smell like failure." or "#Iwantyou to have better plot twists, I saw that a mile away."

In regards to Tyreese and his group winding up in Woodbury..

should we start taking odds, on what's going to happen with the tombs?

 Alfndrate wrote:
I got bored last night, and started tweeting things Carl was thinking using last night's hashtag #Iwantyou, and it was things like, "#Iwantyou to stop being the leader and start being my dad." or "#Iwantyou to get out of here Andrea, you smell like failure." or "#Iwantyou to have better plot twists, I saw that a mile away."

In regards to Tyreese and his group winding up in Woodbury..

should we start taking odds, on what's going to happen with the tombs?

I actually have a few ideas concerning the tombs.
The first would be that Tyreese passes the info on to the Gov. and a "sneak attack" insuess.
Another would be along the lines of , the Gov. attacks the prison and dduring the attack the walkers also breach the prison through the tombs, many character deaths occur and the season ends ( much like season 2) with what's left of the group broken and on the run ( in this scenerio I have a feeling that Andrea will off the Gov.)
Or...The walkers will breach the prison from the tombs prior to any attack from the Gov, forcing Rick and company to abandom the prison and take the fight to Woodbury (in hopes to find a safe haven), season ends with Gov's death ( again my money is on Andrea) and Rick establishing himself as the new leader of Woodbury ( simular to the events in Washington in the comics), this could possiably lead to an introduction of Negans character ( remember the kid that Shane killed group is still out there someplace, and it would be a convieant tie in if it turned out to be the Saviours).
I'm most likely wrong on all counts...

 Alfndrate wrote:
I got bored last night, and started tweeting things Carl was thinking using last night's hashtag #Iwantyou, and it was things like, "#Iwantyou to stop being the leader and start being my dad." or "#Iwantyou to get out of here Andrea, you smell like failure." or "#Iwantyou to have better plot twists, I saw that a mile away."

In regards to Tyreese and his group winding up in Woodbury..

should we start taking odds, on what's going to happen with the tombs?

Well if one had a choice between the Governator and RIck's Group, I'd take Woodbury. They actually have their act together (or did until Rick attacked). Did they have their act together like that in the comics?

 Frazzled wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I got bored last night, and started tweeting things Carl was thinking using last night's hashtag #Iwantyou, and it was things like, "#Iwantyou to stop being the leader and start being my dad." or "#Iwantyou to get out of here Andrea, you smell like failure." or "#Iwantyou to have better plot twists, I saw that a mile away."

In regards to Tyreese and his group winding up in Woodbury..

should we start taking odds, on what's going to happen with the tombs?

Well if one had a choice between the Governator and RIck's Group, I'd take Woodbury. They actually have their act together (or did until Rick attacked). Did they have their act together like that in the comics?

Pretty much, the comunity was well organized and defended, and most of the citizens were...content, of course the Gov. didn't show his "real face" to most of the population, though most knew better than to cross him.

 FITZZ wrote:

I actually have a few ideas concerning the tombs.
The first would be that Tyreese passes the info on to the Gov. and a "sneak attack" insuess.
Another would be along the lines of , the Gov. attacks the prison and dduring the attack the walkers also breach the prison through the tombs, many character deaths occur and the season ends ( much like season 2) with what's left of the group broken and on the run ( in this scenerio I have a feeling that Andrea will off the Gov.)
Or...The walkers will breach the prison from the tombs prior to any attack from the Gov, forcing Rick and company to abandom the prison and take the fight to Woodbury (in hopes to find a safe haven), season ends with Gov's death ( again my money is on Andrea) and Rick establishing himself as the new leader of Woodbury ( simular to the events in Washington in the comics), this could possiably lead to an introduction of Negans character ( remember the kid that Shane killed group is still out there someplace, and it would be a convieant tie in if it turned out to be the Saviours).
I'm most likely wrong on all counts...

I was thinking along the lines of all three... The Gov rounds up walkers like cattle, and release them into the Tombs. If Rick et al didn't see Tyrees's group enter in, I'm sure they might not see such things happen with the Gov. Granted they didn't know about that hole in the Tombs, so we'll see. And then the Gov proceeds with a frontal assault on the Prison, and either forces the group into the Tombs to try and escape, or force them out in the open.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 FITZZ wrote:

I actually have a few ideas concerning the tombs.
The first would be that Tyreese passes the info on to the Gov. and a "sneak attack" insuess.
Another would be along the lines of , the Gov. attacks the prison and dduring the attack the walkers also breach the prison through the tombs, many character deaths occur and the season ends ( much like season 2) with what's left of the group broken and on the run ( in this scenerio I have a feeling that Andrea will off the Gov.)
Or...The walkers will breach the prison from the tombs prior to any attack from the Gov, forcing Rick and company to abandom the prison and take the fight to Woodbury (in hopes to find a safe haven), season ends with Gov's death ( again my money is on Andrea) and Rick establishing himself as the new leader of Woodbury ( simular to the events in Washington in the comics), this could possiably lead to an introduction of Negans character ( remember the kid that Shane killed group is still out there someplace, and it would be a convieant tie in if it turned out to be the Saviours).
I'm most likely wrong on all counts...

I was thinking along the lines of all three... The Gov rounds up walkers like cattle, and release them into the Tombs. If Rick et al didn't see Tyrees's group enter in, I'm sure they might not see such things happen with the Gov. Granted they didn't know about that hole in the Tombs, so we'll see. And then the Gov proceeds with a frontal assault on the Prison, and either forces the group into the Tombs to try and escape, or force them out in the open.

That's a strong possiability, I definantly see season 3 ending in a blood bath with at least 3 major characters buying the farm.

EDIT: @ Frazz.
I know somewhere in thhis thread you mentioned that you didn't intend to read the comics, but , given what I can determine about you (based off of the internetz of course) I honestly think you'd enjoy giving them a look.

Buying the farm?! But they just left that damned place

I would bet that we see Andrea, the Gov, and Herschel or Glenn bite the big one...

Or heaven forbid, Jude Little Ass Kicker

 Alfndrate wrote:
Buying the farm?! But they just left that damned place

I would bet that we see Andrea, the Gov, and Herschel or Glenn bite the big one...

Or heaven forbid, Jude Little Ass Kicker

Nice one.
But seriously, I've wondered just how safe Little Ass Kicker is.


I think Glenn is safe, and I'm pretty sure Andrea is as well, but as for Herchel, Carol, Beth, Merle ( maybe Daryl) and the Gov. himself, I'd say it's a sfae bet we'll see at least half of them die.

Maybe Beth... I know there is that whole thing, as soon as your character starts to get some development, or you're on the Talking Dead, you're as good as Dead...

Glenn's actor was on it a few weeks ago, and is still alive...

I think the issue with Little Ass Kicker is that she is probably 1 of 2 things keeping Rick from jumping off the deep end and never coming back, with Carl as the second thing.

I'm fairly certain the Gov is on the death list, simply because every major "villain" they' come across has gotten their comeuppance I believe. But I could see Andrea either dying to save him, being betrayed by him, or attempting to join Rick's group, and is put down, thus sparking the final all out assault. She's gotten some character development, and the final minutes of yesterday's episode shows some conflict of interests with her character, especially when it comes to the well being of the Gov... the thing that irks me is that she knows the Gov has a bad streak, and is going down the "grime"-y path of insanity. The fact that he wanted to arm an asthmatic with a gun and prep him for battle was a little crazy, not to mention the fact he was 14... Not everyone is Frazzled! And she was right, he's turned into a dictator (moreso than he was), he's recruiting children to fight, his lackies are even saying fighting instead of helping with defense. So I could see her go, and I would care for maybe a day.

I think Herschel is in a similar situation as Little Ass Kicker, there's not much he can do to defend himself, and as such they may not want to kill him off, but I think Maggie is having issues choosing between Glenn and her father, which isn't a bad thing in a normal life she shouldn't have to, but they have two very different opinions in regards to what they should do. I'm glad that Daryl is back because that takes the leadership mantle off of Glenn, who has... "calmed" down a bit... I mean I was expecting him to try and lay Merle out after that fight for what he did to Glenn in Woodbury...

Idk, at least this season seems better than the last one.

Also like it was said during the preview of the Talking Dead, i didn't know you could do a curb stomping in the woods lol.

I think the most unsafe position you can be is the guy that sort of likes Carol. Odds are you are always going to be toast in just a few episodes.

 Frazzled wrote:
I think the most unsafe position you can be is the guy that sort of likes Carol. Odds are you are always going to be toast in just a few episodes.

I really don't see them offing Daryl though... I get that "no one is safe" in such an apocalyptic situation, but he's by far one of the most popular characters, if not the most popular character.

You know I usually hate when people mess with source material......but I don't know, they have done it in such a good way. I'm loving the tyreese thing.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
You know I usually hate when people mess with source material......but I don't know, they have done it in such a good way. I'm loving the tyreese thing.

As it's been said before, this is to give the comic readers a reason to watch

I've never read the comics, so I don't know how Tyreese and party fit in to the story, but I'm sad that Rick drove them off... I like him and the woman... the other two could get eaten by walkers for all I care.

Near the end of the first half of this season I started to suspect that Andrea was the one who is going to end up killing the Gov and now that we are several episodes in to the second half I, without a doubt, beleive Andrea will be his executioner. During the inevitable assault on the prison Andrea is going to see the Gov's true character and take him out.

I thought about Rick and Co. taking control of Woodbury after the fall of the Gov too Fitzz. It parallels the comics and is different enough that I could see that happening although it would cut out a large protion of the comic post-prison. I mean the prison to Washington trek is enough for another season at least.

I'm very interested to see how the Tombs get used by the Gov for sure.

 FITZZ wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:


...Of course he seams mild compared to Negan.

Heh, The "Governor -V- Negan" debate is a popular one amongst my buddies and myself, I'm a bit on the fence atm as to who's "worse", but Negan is clearly a contender...will be interesting to see if he eventually turns up in the TV series.

I do have to admit I was a bit flabbergasted ( and my flabber seldom gast), at seeing Tyresse and company aiding the Gov ( comic book knee jerk of course) and am very anxious to see how that plays out.

I'd say comic book Govenor. In a way TV Govenor is more like Neegan than Comic Govenor.

What a good episode, though rather strange hearing Michonne talk as much as she did... Also wtf is with that cat statue? O.o

It was a good change of pace. I'm getting a little tired of the Woodbury storyline.

This just further convince me that Rick kinda sucks now. That one thing I said Prison town has going morally that Woodbury doesn't is that they weren't marauders that just go around killing and stealing. Rick basically tried to kill someone to steal their stuff this time. At least the Govenor isn't teaching his son that's right too. Also the Govenor actually takes in strangers. Rick did all he could to ignore that man by the road until he was dead. Another important lesson for his kid: "Don't help people because then they'll get killed and you can steal their crap."

Also, Michonne isn't trustworthy enough to live in the prison but it's fine for you to take care of my only son.

Yes, the writers seem to be a bit confused.. I thought that perhaps they left the hitchhiker behind because they didn't want to involve him in their conflict, but then Rick goes and tries to recruit Morgan to the cause.
Morgan btw is completely nutters. Good acting there.
I also enjoyed the change of pace though, It'd be really cool if they possibly did either a)a flashback episode, or b)webisodes of Morgan and Duane after Rick left them in S1.

 Lint wrote:
Yes, the writers seem to be a bit confused.. I thought that perhaps they left the hitchhiker behind because they didn't want to involve him in their conflict, but then Rick goes and tries to recruit Morgan to the cause.
Morgan btw is completely nutters. Good acting there.
I also enjoyed the change of pace though, It'd be really cool if they possibly did either a)a flashback episode, or b)webisodes of Morgan and Duane after Rick left them in S1.

I think it goes back to the, "I don't know him, he can hurt me instead of helping me." I think that's why Rick left the backpacker behind. Rick gets to the town and doesn't realize that someone might be living there until they see the traps. They get shot, they end up taking the guy out (thanks Carl...), and they realize it's Morgan, that's when I think Rick rethinks the whole thing about inviting him, since Morgan saved his life. Had it been anyone else, they probably would have tied the guy up outside or just shot him. Instead they zip tie him and leave him in his home (then we have the exchange than we got in the show).

I wouldn't mind the webisodes either.

Really awesome episode there, and though I understand why Morgan is the way he is I'd also love to see more of him only because Lenny James is awesome.

Leaving the guy on the side of the road, very understandable why they did that. In a normal civilization it is hard to hitchhike but in a lawless world where other groups may be enemies? Don't think so.

Rick is still below the governor's level, they shot Morgan mainly because he was firing on him and they tried to talk first.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Lint wrote:
Yes, the writers seem to be a bit confused.. I thought that perhaps they left the hitchhiker behind because they didn't want to involve him in their conflict, but then Rick goes and tries to recruit Morgan to the cause.
Morgan btw is completely nutters. Good acting there.
I also enjoyed the change of pace though, It'd be really cool if they possibly did either a)a flashback episode, or b)webisodes of Morgan and Duane after Rick left them in S1.

I think it goes back to the, "I don't know him, he can hurt me instead of helping me." I think that's why Rick left the backpacker behind. Rick gets to the town and doesn't realize that someone might be living there until they see the traps. They get shot, they end up taking the guy out (thanks Carl...), and they realize it's Morgan, that's when I think Rick rethinks the whole thing about inviting him, since Morgan saved his life. Had it been anyone else, they probably would have tied the guy up outside or just shot him. Instead they zip tie him and leave him in his home (then we have the exchange than we got in the show).

I wouldn't mind the webisodes either.

well myrle did say the governor had spies along the roads. and here is one lone guy surviving alone just waltzing down the road. ya that's not suspicious.
the talking dead was great though with the caption "no hitchhiking in the zombie apocalypse, but thanks for the backpack"

I think rick see's morgan as himself if continues down his path, which is why he really wants morgan to be OK.

 Meade wrote:
Really awesome episode there, and though I understand why Morgan is the way he is I'd also love to see more of him only because Lenny James is awesome.

Leaving the guy on the side of the road, very understandable why they did that. In a normal civilization it is hard to hitchhike but in a lawless world where other groups may be enemies? Don't think so.

Rick is still below the governor's level, they shot Morgan mainly because he was firing on him and they tried to talk first.

Rick shot first. Morgan shot a zombie and told them verbally to leave his turf. Then Michonne was like, that's a nice gun he's got there, so Rick tried to kill him.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Meade wrote:
Really awesome episode there, and though I understand why Morgan is the way he is I'd also love to see more of him only because Lenny James is awesome.

Leaving the guy on the side of the road, very understandable why they did that. In a normal civilization it is hard to hitchhike but in a lawless world where other groups may be enemies? Don't think so.

Rick is still below the governor's level, they shot Morgan mainly because he was firing on him and they tried to talk first.

Rick shot first. Morgan shot a zombie and told them verbally to leave his turf. Then Michonne was like, that's a nice gun he's got there, so Rick tried to kill him.

eeeh... I'm a little sketchy on the, "Rick tried to kill him." when he shot first. With the grace and accuracy they've been showing, they seem really good at going for the head with little to no trouble, as referenced by the cafe scene later. Carl caps a few of them in the head without any trouble, while on the move. Michonne did say she could get to him, thus Rick probably shot as a distraction.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Meade wrote:
Really awesome episode there, and though I understand why Morgan is the way he is I'd also love to see more of him only because Lenny James is awesome.

Leaving the guy on the side of the road, very understandable why they did that. In a normal civilization it is hard to hitchhike but in a lawless world where other groups may be enemies? Don't think so.

Rick is still below the governor's level, they shot Morgan mainly because he was firing on him and they tried to talk first.

Rick shot first. Morgan shot a zombie and told them verbally to leave his turf. Then Michonne was like, that's a nice gun he's got there, so Rick tried to kill him.

eeeh... I'm a little sketchy on the, "Rick tried to kill him." when he shot first. With the grace and accuracy they've been showing, they seem really good at going for the head with little to no trouble, as referenced by the cafe scene later. Carl caps a few of them in the head without any trouble, while on the move. Michonne did say she could get to him, thus Rick probably shot as a distraction.

Apparently zombie heads are magnetic and draw in bullets. They've been terrible shooting at people. Note the millions of rounds missed in the prison attack.

If a guy with an assault rifle in an elevated position has his gun trained on you you better not take a distraction shot.

Lets not forget Morgan was telling them to leave their guns and shoes and any other valuables behind. He was essentially trying to rob them.

 Infreak wrote:
Lets not forget Morgan was telling them to leave their guns and shoes and any other valuables behind. He was essentially trying to rob them.

They're trying to rob him!

Let's face it, they did rob him...

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Infreak wrote:
Lets not forget Morgan was telling them to leave their guns and shoes and any other valuables behind. He was essentially trying to rob them.

They're trying to rob him!

Please explain.