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2015/02/21 00:58:16
Subject: Re:Walking Dead TV Show **Spoilers** (comic talk only in spoiler tags)
AegisGrimm wrote: Yeah. Somehow a rotting corpse has the bite strength of a xenomorph from Alien.....
indeed. Anyone wearing a motorcycle outfit, or probably just good coveralls would be invulnerable. As bite strength goes, we're strictly third rate, and thats when we're alive.
Unless they were driven by nanobites...from Uranus!
Coveralls, leathers? They all wear loose cotton shirts or singlets, bare arms all over the place. Maybe that's why they don't last. Of course at the other end they all have power knives which can go straight through skulls like a chainsword through a grot and which instakils the walkers.
2015/02/21 06:10:46
Subject: Walking Dead TV Show **Spoilers** (comic talk only in spoiler tags)
Also, the wilderness only got more crowded after everyone died? Evidently the dead hate crowded cities as much as the living, so they all move out into the country.
That same part of the Michigan Upper Peninsula where I can drive for 20 minutes without seeing another car, in the Walking Dead would be filled with herds of walkers.
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2015/02/21 21:54:56
Subject: Re:Walking Dead TV Show **Spoilers** (comic talk only in spoiler tags)
AegisGrimm wrote: Also, the wilderness only got more crowded after everyone died? Evidently the dead hate crowded cities as much as the living, so they all move out into the country.
That same part of the Michigan Upper Peninsula where I can drive for 20 minutes without seeing another car, in the Walking Dead would be filled with herds of walkers.
They've had two years to wander about.
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2015/02/23 14:36:00
Subject: Walking Dead TV Show **Spoilers** (comic talk only in spoiler tags)
Sinful Hero wrote: Another lively episode. Glad things are finally picking back up.
The gaks about to hit the fan.
I think the point now is have everything do well for several episodes just to keep everyone on the edge of their seat- then to make things utterly horrible. Knocking noises that turn out to just be cats or kids, moaning that ends up being a couple "in the moment", and other such things. Also we'll have the interplay of
Spoiler:
People who have been spoiled by the walls and don't know how to survive outside of it with Rick and his merry band of zombie smashers.
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:I'm actually looking forward to it.
It definitely shouldn't last longer than one Season though, like the Governor did.
Agreed - but there's no way
Spoiler:
Negan
is only a 'one season' arc, unfortunately.
Sinful Hero wrote:It really seemed like that arc was dragged out in the comics. It was just so bland and boring to me. It's in a much more interesting place now.
Agreed!
2015/02/23 16:35:31
Subject: Walking Dead TV Show **Spoilers** (comic talk only in spoiler tags)
That's kind of what I am afraid of. I was talking about this exact thing with my wife last night; people not being willing to deal with a slower, settling into Alexandria arc. :(
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2015/02/23 17:59:35
Subject: Walking Dead TV Show **Spoilers** (comic talk only in spoiler tags)
pretre wrote: That's kind of what I am afraid of. I was talking about this exact thing with my wife last night; people not being willing to deal with a slower, settling into Alexandria arc. :(
A bit slower pace where they explore Alexandria won't seem like such a hiccup to me- it sounds interesting like how Beth's kidnapping got me hooked back in to the show. It's
Spoiler:
That bores me to death. It's kinda weird, you'd think
Spoiler:
ultraviolence and swearing would be much more interesting.
I think it was because it was following the DragonBall plotline- oh no, THIS villain is so much more powerful and dangerous than the last one, you'll have to learn new stuff to overcome him!
Sinful Hero wrote: That bores me to death. It's kinda weird, you'd think
Spoiler:
ultraviolence and swearing would be much more interesting.
I think it was because it was following the DragonBall plotline- oh no, THIS villain is so much more powerful and dangerous than the last one, you'll have to learn new stuff to overcome him!
.
I really disagree with this.
Spoiler:
It's not about more powerful villains so much as how those villains represent different steps along the path back to civilization. Some of the things going on in the comic right now represent yet another step. Negan wasn't Governor II, with power ups.
Of course -- and tying this into the other topic of conversation -- there are show viewers who aren't interested in 'civilization.' They just want zombie smashing survival horror. And like I said to earlier in the thread, TWD really might not be the show for you if that's all you want.
I don't think the show will suffer much with their arrival at Alexandria, though. It's the characters and the drama that bring the viewers, and the show can have plenty of that in this setting.
We'll have to see how the show does with the current show runner in a slower setting. He's done an excellent job the last two seasons so there is hope.
I really like Aaron. And I like how they presented him for this and explained his calm with the situation.
Overall another great episode. The group dynamic is excellent right now.
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2015/02/23 18:26:45
Subject: Walking Dead TV Show **Spoilers** (comic talk only in spoiler tags)
pretre wrote: That's kind of what I am afraid of. I was talking about this exact thing with my wife last night; people not being willing to deal with a slower, settling into Alexandria arc. :(
A bit slower pace where they explore Alexandria won't seem like such a hiccup to me- it sounds interesting like how Beth's kidnapping got me hooked back in to the show. It's
Spoiler:
That bores me to death. It's kinda weird, you'd think
Spoiler:
ultraviolence and swearing would be much more interesting.
I think it was because it was following the DragonBall plotline- oh no, THIS villain is so much more powerful and dangerous than the last one, you'll have to learn new stuff to overcome him!
.
I disagree.
Spoiler:
Negan and the Saviours provide the impetus for Rick to build a coalition and network of settlements. Everyone has to unite and work together to fight back against their mutual enemy. By the end of the Arc, there are 3 LARGE settlements (of comparable size if not bigger than the Prison in Season 4) cooperating closely and on very good, friendly terms. Thats a new development for TWD - different groups of people working together, as opposed to just killing each other on sight.
Even their former enemies, the Saviours (under new management), are cooperating and trading with them, though after a 2 year time gap and the Saviours not having been featured directly yet, just referred to, its not yet clear how friendly they are. But it is clear that they've been at peace, and maintained contact, for TWO YEARS.
The Saviours acted as a catalyst for the rebuilding of civilization.
It should definitely be wrapped up within one Season though.
I say...introduce Mr N. in the Season 5 Finale, and wrap the Arc up by the Season 6 finale, which would bring the show almost up to date with the Comics (Only 12 issues behind or so at the start of Season 7). Kirkman should give the screenwriters a broad outline for the next year or so of the Comics, so the show runners can wrap up the story and end the show with Season 7. Or he could help them write a different ending if he doesn't want to spoil future issues for comic readers, so the show diverges from the Comics (which is what Game of Thrones is doing).
TWD should end with Season 7.
2015/02/23 18:30:01
Subject: Walking Dead TV Show **Spoilers** (comic talk only in spoiler tags)
Sinful Hero wrote: That bores me to death. It's kinda weird, you'd think
Spoiler:
ultraviolence and swearing would be much more interesting.
I think it was because it was following the DragonBall plotline- oh no, THIS villain is so much more powerful and dangerous than the last one, you'll have to learn new stuff to overcome him!
.
I really disagree with this.
Spoiler:
It's not about more powerful villains so much as how those villains represent different steps along the path back to civilization. Some of the things going on in the comic right now represent yet another step. Negan wasn't Governor II, with power ups.
Of course -- and tying this into the other topic of conversation -- there are show viewers who aren't interested in 'civilization.' They just want zombie smashing survival horror. And like I said to earlier in the thread, TWD really might not be the show for you if that's all you want.
I don't think the show will suffer much with their arrival at Alexandria, though. It's the characters and the drama that bring the viewers, and the show can have plenty of that in this setting.
I think how TWD has become as big as it is, is because it does appeal to both types of viewers. They've managed to appease both camps- they have zombie smasher episodes with a little character development, and they have character drama episodes with a bit of zombie smashing thrown in. It's a good show altogether I think. We just like different parts of it. I still enjoy the drama, I just prefer the smashing. I assume you enjoy the smashing, but prefer the drama.
Breotan wrote: Well, wearing heavy clothes and/or SWAT gear gets pretty warm in the summertime.
Better being hot than bit.
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AegisGrimm wrote: Also, the wilderness only got more crowded after everyone died? Evidently the dead hate crowded cities as much as the living, so they all move out into the country.
That same part of the Michigan Upper Peninsula where I can drive for 20 minutes without seeing another car, in the Walking Dead would be filled with herds of walkers.
After three years or whatever it's been I think most of the back roads would be overgrown.
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2015/02/23 21:08:58
Subject: Walking Dead TV Show **Spoilers** (comic talk only in spoiler tags)
@Computron
They may start breaking up a bit, but roads can last a good while. There are a few that have been closed off for years around here that are still pretty driveable if one were allowed on them. Farther north where you have more freezing and thawing they wouldn't last as long, unless they were concrete.
Really with no one to clear under bridges and whatnot, they should have to worry more about water cutting across and just tearing the road away. That doesn't seem to have happened anywhere, but of course without people around to junk up the creeks that's also less likely to occur.
Sinful Hero wrote: @Computron
They may start breaking up a bit, but roads can last a good while. There are a few that have been closed off for years around here that are still pretty driveable if one were allowed on them. Farther north where you have more freezing and thawing they wouldn't last as long, unless they were concrete.
Really with no one to clear under bridges and whatnot, they should have to worry more about water cutting across and just tearing the road away. That doesn't seem to have happened anywhere,but of course without people around to junk up the creeks that's also less likely to occur.
You're forgetting the herds of walkers....
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2015/02/23 22:34:52
Subject: Walking Dead TV Show **Spoilers** (comic talk only in spoiler tags)
Breotan wrote: Well, wearing heavy clothes and/or SWAT gear gets pretty warm in the summertime.
Better being hot than bit.
In the south, this is actually a difference of 'better dead from heatstroke/dehydration than zombie'.
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2015/02/23 22:38:33
Subject: Walking Dead TV Show **Spoilers** (comic talk only in spoiler tags)
Breotan wrote: Well, wearing heavy clothes and/or SWAT gear gets pretty warm in the summertime.
Better being hot than bit.
In the south, this is actually a difference of 'better dead from heatstroke/dehydration than zombie'.
You ever see yard guys? They are often in long sleeve outfits.
Its like all armor. Going into battle? Armor up. Just wandering the countryside? Not needed. These things are moving about 1 mile an hour now.
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2015/02/23 22:41:11
Subject: Walking Dead TV Show **Spoilers** (comic talk only in spoiler tags)
Breotan wrote: Well, wearing heavy clothes and/or SWAT gear gets pretty warm in the summertime.
Better being hot than bit.
In the south, this is actually a difference of 'better dead from heatstroke/dehydration than zombie'.
You ever see yard guys? They are often in long sleeve outfits.
Its like all armor. Going into battle? Armor up. Just wandering the countryside? Not needed. These things are moving about 1 mile an hour now.
No, I totally agree with you on that one. And TWD has shown that wearing armor is done when necessary.
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2015/02/23 23:00:34
Subject: Walking Dead TV Show **Spoilers** (comic talk only in spoiler tags)
Sinful Hero wrote: @Computron
They may start breaking up a bit, but roads can last a good while. There are a few that have been closed off for years around here that are still pretty driveable if one were allowed on them. Farther north where you have more freezing and thawing they wouldn't last as long, unless they were concrete.
Really with no one to clear under bridges and whatnot, they should have to worry more about water cutting across and just tearing the road away. That doesn't seem to have happened anywhere,but of course without people around to junk up the creeks that's also less likely to occur.
You're forgetting the herds of walkers....
I haven't seen any walkers throwing mattresses and other garbage off every bridge they can get away with, but I guess it's possible.
Garbage and brush- there are plenty of idiots who just cut down a tree and let it fall in the creek. It's ridiculous. Smh
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Sinful Hero wrote: @Computron They may start breaking up a bit, but roads can last a good while. There are a few that have been closed off for years around here that are still pretty driveable if one were allowed on them. Farther north where you have more freezing and thawing they wouldn't last as long, unless they were concrete.
Really with no one to clear under bridges and whatnot, they should have to worry more about water cutting across and just tearing the road away. That doesn't seem to have happened anywhere,but of course without people around to junk up the creeks that's also less likely to occur.
You're forgetting the herds of walkers....
I haven't seen any walkers throwing mattresses and other garbage off every bridge they can get away with, but I guess it's possible.
Garbage and brush- there are plenty of idiots who just cut down a tree and let it fall in the creek. It's ridiculous. Smh
I was speaking literally. Never mind mattresses and garbage. The walkers ARE the garbage. Garbage with legs. And gakky motor control.
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2015/02/24 01:27:53
Subject: Walking Dead TV Show **Spoilers** (comic talk only in spoiler tags)
Sinful Hero wrote: @Computron
They may start breaking up a bit, but roads can last a good while. There are a few that have been closed off for years around here that are still pretty driveable if one were allowed on them. Farther north where you have more freezing and thawing they wouldn't last as long, unless they were concrete.
Really with no one to clear under bridges and whatnot, they should have to worry more about water cutting across and just tearing the road away. That doesn't seem to have happened anywhere,but of course without people around to junk up the creeks that's also less likely to occur.
You're forgetting the herds of walkers....
I haven't seen any walkers throwing mattresses and other garbage off every bridge they can get away with, but I guess it's possible.
Garbage and brush- there are plenty of idiots who just cut down a tree and let it fall in the creek. It's ridiculous. Smh
I was speaking literally. Never mind mattresses and garbage. The walkers ARE the garbage. Garbage with legs. And gakky motor control.
I knew what you meant- I just don't think they'd be as much a problem as trash. It's a moot point either way- I doubt it'll be addressed in the show. They want the group to use the roads if they need to. Heck, water damage was never even really brought up in the comics.
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Compel wrote: So from the sounds of it there could be big worries about complaints about the return of 'the farm?'
From the sounds of it, the general audience prefer the group to be on the move rather than staying in the farm/prison/church.
If so... Could we be seeing a huge audience drop in the future?
Possibly. It depends on how they handle it- they could focus on scouting missions interspersed with drama back at home base. They've done plenty of cut-away episodes before.
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Compel wrote: So from the sounds of it there could be big worries about complaints about the return of 'the farm?'
From the sounds of it, the general audience prefer the group to be on the move rather than staying in the farm/prison/church.
If so... Could we be seeing a huge audience drop in the future?
Nah, I really don't think so.
For one thing, *plenty* of viewers are more attached to these characters than they are a particular setting -- on the road, at the farm, at a prison, etc. It's about Rick, Daryl, Michonne, Glenn & Maggie, etc.
For another, the problem with the farm arc IMO wasn't that they were staying put, it was that nothing much happened while they stayed put. That wasn't the case at the prison, even if some of the storylines got a little silly.
The safe zone has plenty of potential for interesting storylines inside the walls (remember that there's an entire population there and not just a single family like the farm), and new threats may emerge outside the walls too.
So I was thinking (comic spoilers ahead)...
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We've seen them tease us with Glenn and baseball bats twice now -- once in Terminus and an another time in Richmond. So is he going to meet his destiny or will we get the 'blender' approach as usual? The blender seems to still be fully operational, as shown by Sasha picking up some of comic Andrea's schtick, etc. But things have also been tracking the comic a little more closely now, and the writers have given us a couple winks as I mentioned.
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Glenn is a primary character and a show favorite. Nothing is going to happen to Glenn.
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