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I'm just mad that Abraham didn't dig out that shiny rocket launcher and score a super combo on Negan's group.

Who is to say that won't still happen?!?

That's exactly what I expect to happen.

No way are they going to let this group have access to that.

In this show it would just screw something up worse, anyway.

Think Abraham might have learned a few tricks.....notice the Pelican cases were not on the fuel truck? Think Abraham rigged the rockets as IED's on the fuel truck.

A small detail people might have missed (I know I did).

#6 at 4:29.

It appears Maggie might have been injured somehow on her right thigh. When Deanna runs outside to bring Rick to her house, she starts shooting wildly at the walkers. Its possible that she might have hit Maggie in the leg with a stray bullet, which would explain how a hardened experienced survivor suddenly begins tripping over herself as she tries to flee

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
A small detail people might have missed (I know I did).

#6 at 4:29.

It appears Maggie might have been injured somehow on her right thigh. When Deanna runs outside to bring Rick to her house, she starts shooting wildly at the walkers. Its possible that she might have hit Maggie in the leg with a stray bullet, which would explain how a hardened experienced survivor suddenly begins tripping over herself as she tries to flee

Spoiler:

hmm that does make sense as an awful lot of people seemed to loose the ability to walk.............never mind run

So Deanna shot everybody.

OK finally caught up. Wow, lots of stupid there.

Not certain I'll watch further.

 Frazzled wrote:
OK finally caught up. Wow, lots of stupid there.

Not certain I'll watch further.

I know what you mean - this season we found it pretty turgid - some nice character stuff but equally tway too much focus on charcters that nether of us liked - especially Morgan.

Also it seemed to pretty much wipe out all the named Alexandrians - ( though there is pretty much an unimlited amount of background ones to die at approrpiate moments)

I think we are just left with:

Aeron and partner - who were only notable by their absence from most of the season
Ricks love interest - about to be eaten with kids
Dr Girl - about to be thrown to the zombies by evil wolf guy (unless they cop out on this again)

Is there anyone else left?

Given that pretty much anywhere that Ricks crew spends time in is devestated and destroyed , Negan should just be like:

"Whoa - didn't realise you were "those" guys - no we don't want anything to do with you - people who do - die - see ya!"

Off the top of my head...

Aaron.
Erik.
Denise (the nurse who was held hostage by the wolf).
Tobin.
Spencer (Deanna's second son).
Jesse, Ron and Sam Anderson (Rick's girlfriend).
Heath (the black supply runner).
Scott (the other black guy, and Heath's friend).
Francine (the woman who fell off the JCB at the construction site, and was saved by Abraham).

There are still a lot more named Alexandrians left alive, its just that we see so little of them all that we forget their names quickly. They're all so forgettable.


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 Mr Morden wrote:
Given that pretty much anywhere that Ricks crew spends time in is devestated and destroyed , Negan should just be like:

"Whoa - didn't realise you were "those" guys - no we don't want anything to do with you - people who do - die - see ya!"

"Oh you sweet Summer child"...

Negan is going to break that trend. And by break I mean he's going to flip it over and feth it up the fething arse while shouting "Who's your fething Daddy?"

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
OK finally caught up. Wow, lots of stupid there.

Not certain I'll watch further.

I know what you mean - this season we found it pretty turgid - some nice character stuff but equally tway too much focus on charcters that nether of us liked - especially Morgan.

Also it seemed to pretty much wipe out all the named Alexandrians - ( though there is pretty much an unimlited amount of background ones to die at approrpiate moments)

I think we are just left with:

Aeron and partner - who were only notable by their absence from most of the season
Ricks love interest - about to be eaten with kids
Dr Girl - about to be thrown to the zombies by evil wolf guy (unless they cop out on this again)

Is there anyone else left?

Given that pretty much anywhere that Ricks crew spends time in is devestated and destroyed , Negan should just be like:

"Whoa - didn't realise you were "those" guys - no we don't want anything to do with you - people who do - die - see ya!"

Rick's group really is the Typhoid Mary of humans. The Governor would have done much better to have immediately packed up his crew and left the state! I believe only one of them is alive now.

Thanks

Aaron.
Erik

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Yeah those two are pretty cool - sad they didn't get to be in the season much :(

Denise (the nurse who was held hostage by the wolf).

Likely to soon be dead.........

Tobin.

Who is he?

Spencer (Deanna's second son).

Oh yeah forgot him - hmm

Jesse, Ron and Sam Anderson (Rick's girlfriend).

Bye bye

Heath (the black supply runner).
Scott (the other black guy, and Heath's friend).
Francine (the woman who fell off the JCB at the construction site, and was saved by Abraham).

Sorry can't remember them at all!! Apart from falling off things - did they do anyting interesting?

There are still a lot more named Alexandrians left alive, its just that we see so little of them all that we forget their names quickly. They're all so forgettable.

so true

"Oh you sweet Summer child"...

Negan is going to break that trend. And by break I mean he's going to flip it over and feth it up the fething arse while shouting "Who's your fething Daddy?"

Hopefully - then him and Carol can have babies and rule the post modern world

Tobin was the leader of the construction crew gathering steel panels from the construction site for the wall. Abraham took over when Tobin went to Deanna and told her Abraham was a better leader.

Heath and Scott were the two black guys with Michonne who survived the massacre in the woods when the herd turned to Alexandria. The three of them returned to Alexandria together, shortly before Rick.

Good episode tonight - not a lot of surprises, but the one's that were there were nice!

Glad they didn't chicken out of the Carl thing, like they did with Rick's hand back in season 3.

I'm glad that the did 'chicken out' with that.

I think Kirkman himself said he regretted doing that?

Maybe?

Anyway, I find myself wishing that they'd deviate even more from the comics.

Excellent welcome back to TWD. And the wrecking crew is back together. The way they opened the episode was genius (no idea if it happened in the comic). The scene with sam and his mom was interesting and extremely well shot. It was a single note that made it feel almost surreal.

Overall happy they are back and very happy with the episode.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Excellent welcome back to TWD. And the wrecking crew is back together. The way they opened the episode was genius (no idea if it happened in the comic). The scene with sam and his mom was interesting and extremely well shot. It was a single note that made it feel almost surreal.

Overall happy they are back and very happy with the episode.

Me too.

When Rick brought back Carl after he was shot... did anyone notice that he was gonna take on the horde all by himself?

Dude... I empathized with that.

Was? He did for as long as it takes to stich up a gunshot wound on a kids face even when he's unconscious

Rick is the right kind of all crazy.

I did think it was a bit funny that baby whose paternity is in question got sent off with someone known for being unreliable but Carl gets hurt and Rick loses his mind.

Also, small pre-teen being eaten so graphically and big teen being chopped up was not something I expected to see depicted the way it was. I was sure they would copout on how they handled the kid deaths.

I agree. I thought they were skipping it when they got so far from the house.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Glad they didn't chicken out of the Carl thing, like they did with Rick's hand back in season 3.

I'm pretty sure that decision was made for more practical reasons than anything.

 whembly wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Excellent welcome back to TWD. And the wrecking crew is back together. The way they opened the episode was genius (no idea if it happened in the comic). The scene with sam and his mom was interesting and extremely well shot. It was a single note that made it feel almost surreal.

Overall happy they are back and very happy with the episode.

Me too.

When Rick brought back Carl after he was shot... did anyone notice that he was gonna take on the horde all by himself?

Dude... I empathized with that.

Yep, he was protecting the infirmary from the horde.


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 Hulksmash wrote:
I did think it was a bit funny that baby whose paternity is in question got sent off with someone known for being unreliable but Carl gets hurt and Rick loses his mind.

Not really. Rick very nearly had a breakdown when he watched Gabriel walk away with Judith - Jesse had to snap him out of it and reassure him. And he actually did have a breakdown when he was reunited with her outside of Terminus courtesy of Tyreese and Carol. Regardless of parternity, he clearly cares for her as much as he does for Carl.

Gabriel and Judith were fine, they weren't attacked. But Carl was shot in the head and blinded in one eye. Its not the same. If a walker had lunged at Gabriel, Rick would have panicked instantly just like he did with Carl.

Also, small pre-teen being eaten so graphically and big teen being chopped up was not something I expected to see depicted the way it was. I was sure they would copout on how they handled the kid deaths.

Yeah, glad they didn't chicken out of that. It would have undermined the whole emotional impact if they'd censored it somehow.

@Shadow

The paternity thing was mostly tongue in cheek. The writers and Andy Lincolns performances have shown how deeply he cares for his daughter. Even to the point of other characters needing to reassure him Judith is fine before he does something (ala Carol and Jessie on a couple of occasions). I just found it slightly amusing is all.

Also I wouldn't say he was protecting the infirmary. If anything his starting a brawl right in front of it was unlikely to keep the infirmary from being overrun after he died as it would have "woken" up more of the walkers in the area. I genuinely think he lost his mind a bit but in what turned out to be the best way.

Also the clipped together scene starting with Rick's crew and slowly incorporating first the more trusted Alexandrians and then the more passive/no names over the course of the clip was excellent. It showed the jelling of the populace in a truly excellent and I felt mostly original way and to do it so visually was awesome.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Glad they didn't chicken out of the Carl thing, like they did with Rick's hand back in season 3.

I'm pretty sure that decision was made for more practical reasons than anything.

That is what I'm referring to. Impractical or no, losing his hand was a huge milestone in Rick's character development in the comics. I can understand the reasoning behind not adapting that into the show, because they don't want to cripple and restrict their lead protagonist on a very action heavy show.

But Carl's missing eye is also a huge milestone in character development, and it would probably detract from and drastically alter his character arc going forward if they skipped it. They could have easily decided it would be too impractical and expensive to have to do prosthetics and makeup for Carl's missing eye for every scene and episode that he features in going forward. I'm glad they went through with it.

Alpharius says he hopes the show diverges from the comics even more. I don't. I like the comics. I hope they stay true to the overall theme, plot lines and events of the comics, though I do like how they're switching things around and having certain events from the comics happen to different characters. (e.g. they amputated Merle's hand instead of Rick). The show tends to be at its best when its adapting material the comics, even if they do switch things around, rather than going off on a tangent and doing their own thing. Almost the entirety of Season 2 was original, and it was widely regarded as the weakest season of the show.

I'd prefer they kept the stuff that was great in the comics, and improved or reworked the stuff that didn't work so well.

I liked how they expanded on the Governor. The comic version was a bit shallow (though the Woodbury spin off novels did flesh him out a lot more).

I liked how they switched the genders around of the Alexandria leader and his wife, turning Douglas Monroe into a woman (Deanna) with a great actress and his wife into a man (Reggie). The wife in the comics was very passive, and didn't really do much besides get killed by Pete. But the show version of the spouse (Reggie) is the engineer responsible for building Alexandrias walls, and so he had much more significance.

I did not like how they eviscerated Andrea's character. Andrea in the comics is a great character and is still living as of the latest issue, and its not entirely clear yet who will be filling her role going forward. I would say Sascha, but she seems to be too close to Abraham. I would say Carol, but she seems to be reverting back to her original character arc from the comics

I would say Jesse, because they were making her out to be a much stronger and better character than the comics version of Jesse (she was a weak and needy character who clung to Rick). But they've killed her just like in the comics. A little bit of a bait and switch.

Maybe they're going to merge Andrea with Michonne perhaps. Rick and Michonne are probably closer to each other now than anyone else in the group and I can see her filling Andrea's role.



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 Hulksmash wrote:


Also I wouldn't say he was protecting the infirmary. If anything his starting a brawl right in front of it was unlikely to keep the infirmary from being overrun after he died as it would have "woken" up more of the walkers in the area. I genuinely think he lost his mind a bit but in what turned out to be the best way.

They were locked onto the house because they were pursuing Rick and Michonne, and the lights were on. The walkers were being woken up already.

He was in a rage yes, but I don't think he was losing his mind. He was thinking "Crap, they're attacking the infirmary. My son is in there undergoing surgery. I need to create a distraction NOW to save my son". We saw in the previous episode how easily a determined and aggressive horde can break into a house. This isn't the same as when he snapped and went on a completely unnecessary and reckless rampage through the prison after Lori died, he was thinking somewhat rationally.


But I agree. Great episode.


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Also the clipped together scene starting with Rick's crew and slowly incorporating first the more trusted Alexandrians and then the more passive/no names over the course of the clip was excellent.

It was very a comic book-y sequence, like something you'd expect to see in 300. A little out of place for this show, but great nonetheless and a nice homage to the comics.


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The only thing I disliked about this episode was that they killed off the leader of the Saviours patrol in the opening scene, the one who did the talking, confiscated the guns and threatened to kill Abraham and Sascha. He was funny, and I liked the actor. Would have been nice to have that actor around for a little longer.

In the comics, IIRC they let one guy live and sent him home with a message for Negan that they aren't scared of him.

Nah, there are better ways of drawing them away from the house his kid is in. He still has his gun. He lost it. Not in an uncontrolled way like we've seen before. It was very focused. But he did lose it because he wasn't thinking critically. Compare Glenn to Rick. Glenn though decisively to save his wife. He pulled the entire herd onto himself.

And before it's pointed out that he was a goner before Abraham and Sasha saved him I'd say both Glenn and Rick went into it knowing they were going to die. The difference was in how they would have succeeded had they died. Maggie would have been saved. It's highly likely based on the noise Rick was making that Carl would have been a goner and everyone in the shop too. It feels like that is part of the reason Michonne knows she has to get out there. She's still thinking critically. Just so happens people follow her out to help (didn't hurt it was the few Alexandrians who have actual experience in the "modern" world).

t's highly likely based on the noise Rick was making that Carl would have been a goner and everyone in the shop too.

No. Like I said, a big part of the herd was already locked onto the infirmary because they saw Rick and Michonne run inside, and because the lights were on. The rest of the herd would simply follow the lead of those walkers and join the attack. It only takes one walker to instigate an attack on a house. It doesn't even have to be intentional according to Morgan in season 1 - simply brushing up against a door can be mistaken by another walker as an attempt to break inside, and suddenly you have a chain reaction.

The noise Rick was creating wasn't attracting more walkers than there were already attracted to the infirmary. The damage was already done. The only chance was to get outside, create a BIG distraction and try to lead them away from the infirmary. Even if Rick wasn't able to lead them away, every walker that was attacking him is one less walker trying to break through the windows and doors of the infirmary.

Glenn and Rick were in a way both committing suicide. They were trying to create a distraction and lure zombies away to protect the people they care about, so they were essentially doing the same thing and had the same mindset. Rick was just considerably more angry.


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It happens the same way in the comics. Rick dashes outside and starts fighting walkers. The intention is to create a distraction to lure them away from the house and buy time for the people inside, which isn't exactly losing your mind.

That's kinda my point. He went about it poorly. He lost it. Not in a raging insanity kind of way we've seen before but in a way that shows he wasn't thinking clearly.

In the previous episode we see him discussing with Deanna how, while pulling a dude up the wall who is in danger and bullets flying around he noticed the best action for the group and dismissed it because of previous issues with Deanna's family and him not wanting to further a gap. That's a lot of analysis in the heat of the moment to prevent you from taking an opening that's best for the group.

In this case that's not the Rick we're seeing. We're seeing tunnel vision Rick and not big picture Rick. Again compare the actions of Glenn vs. Rick and tell me Rick was thinking clearly. He had a gun and he is faster than the zombies. One shot, run, one shot farther up the street, run, repeat until the herd is after you instead of the house.

Maybe losing his mind was a bit strong. He lost his ability to think clearly would have been better.

There wasn't time to analyse the situation. He had to make a snap decision.

Rick makes snap decisions with solid analysis on a regular basis now. He's actually pretty cold this entire season. He's almost over controlled that way. The show writers felt it was important to point it out how fast he processes things in episode 7 when he is discussing with Deanna. That's kinda my point. HIS kid being in danger caused him to lose analytical abilities.

Did Glenn have to make any less of a snap decision with Maggie? And yet he made the correct one. Rick didn't. Due to his anger and worry getting to him more than normal.

Which is ok, remember he just saw his potential new baby momma and her sons get killed rather gruesomely. It's not a knock. He suffered repeated shocks to his system that Glenn didn't. But they both had the same amount of time to make a decision and Rick's shocks added up and he made it the wrong way.