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Technically, they already brought them back in the new series once. (They were at the Pandorica or so I've heard.)
As with most old monsters they brought back though, they update them a bit. I really liked the updated look/feel of the ice warrior, so I'm okay with this.
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Technically, they already brought them back in the new series once. (They were at the Pandorica or so I've heard.)
As with most old monsters they brought back though, they update them a bit. I really liked the updated look/feel of the ice warrior, so I'm okay with this.
Having been to the Doctor Who Experience and seen both iterations of the Ice Warrior in person, I look forward to seeing what they do with the Zygons.
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-Shrike- wrote: Having been to the Doctor Who Experience and seen both iterations of the Ice Warrior in person, I look forward to seeing what they do with the Zygons.
So jealous.
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From the brief glimpses we've seen, I'm optimistic for the zygon 'redesign', as they seem pretty close visually to the originals, only less clunky. I'm not at all a fan of the current cybermen and not really of the Ice Warrior redux (I think they still should have left the helmet on the whole time), but these zygons look good.
I'm somewhere between cautiously optimistic, absolutely terrified they're going to mess it up, and massively excited because it Dr Who...with Zygons... And Daleks... And John Hurt!
After watching the trailer and seeing the return of the 2005 style Daleks, I'm really looking forward to this. The brightly coloured blobs new-style Daleks get on my nerves.
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-Shrike- wrote: After watching the trailer and seeing the return of the 2005 style Daleks, I'm really looking forward to this. The brightly coloured blobs new-style Daleks get on my nerves.
You mean the iDaleks?
I'm avoiding watching anything to do with this episode, so I get it all at once.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So this means I was right, Eccleston is 10, not 9.
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NecronLord3 wrote: Then the incarnation that the 9th, 10th, and 11th have claimed to be is wrong. Though this could be the secret that several characters have accused the doctor of keeping and the answer to the question Doctor Who? could be answered by the Doctors actual incarnation number.
Exactly. Basically, as said in this episode, that incarnation is the one who broke the promise and was not 'The Doctor'. It means that the 9th, 10th and 11th Doctors are actually correctly the 9th, 10th and 11th doctors because the one after 8 was not the doctor just the 8th regeneration.
I laid it out a couple pages back like this: - Hartnell - 1st Doctor, Unregenerated (or X previous regenerations that are unknown) - Troughton - 2nd Doctor, 1st Regeneration - Pertwee - 3rd Doctor, 2nd Regeneration - T Baker - 4th Doctor, 3rd Regeneration - Davison - 5th Doctor, 4th Regeneration - C Baker - 6th Doctor, 5th Regeneration - McCoy - 7th Doctor, 6th Regeneration - McGann - 8th Doctor, 7th Regeneration - Hurt - Not a Doctor, 8th Regeneration - Eccleston - 9th Doctor, 9th Regeneration - Tennant - 10th Doctor, 10th Regeneration - Smith - 11th Doctor, 11th Regeneration
- 'Valeyard' - Not a Doctor, between 12th and 13th Regeneration according to the Master
Bingo. Page 48.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, super geek points because in the video McGann's doctor references a bunch of companions who only existed in the Audio Dramas between the movie and the new Who series giving legitimacy to those episode in 'real canon'.
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So, I'm not particularly a Dr Who fan, but I'm very impressed that they got McGann involved. I had a sense he was almost the black sheep of Dr Who. "Oh, he was in that American thing, best pretend he didn't exist."
Didn't there use to to be a limit of 11 regenerations? Has this been retconned? I thought that Smith's Doctor was supposed to be the final incarnation, and he was hurtling towards his doom?
It's partially retconned. Although keep in mind that 12 regens is 13 bodies anyways. They'll go until doomsday though so it doesn't matter.
Right now we know of 12 doctors (including the new one coming), the war doctor and the valyard. So we are already past 12 regens.
There are numerous ways they can dodge it and they will.
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Hmm, saw that last night. Excellent short to set up the special, also loved the slip in on the idea that regenerations could allow a change of gender, something not fully confirmed in show before this short if I recall correctly.
Either way, roll on the 23rd.
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Ohh good catch. I hadn't caught the gender bit. Need to go rewatch.
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Regarding the regen limit, there are a number of theories as to how they're going to get round it.
1) When River gave the Doc her regenerations to revive him he got 'recharged' as it were and can now use those.
2) The regen limit was imposed and controlled by the Time Lord parliament (proven when the Master had to go to Gallifrey to get more regenerations. Episode I think was called The Deadly Assassin). No Time Lords, no limit.
3) New one, the Elixir from Karn in the episode above fully restored his regenerations as it supposedly grants 'eternal youth'.
There are a few more, but these are the main ones I think.
Good point on being past 12 already, but the Valeyard is technically a 'possible future' from somewhere between the 12th and 13th. ie. Between Smith and Capaldi factoring in Hurt shifting all the numbers by one.
Also, I can't be the only one here who wants to see more of McGann. The movie was never enough, and this episode proves he can still Doctor with the best of them. Come on, BBC, give him a spin-off series about the build-up to the Time War!
What about when Ecclestone died? He took a hell of a lot energy on board, could that be a reset?
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Wolfstan wrote: What about when Ecclestone died? He took a hell of a lot energy on board, could that be a reset?
Another interesting theory. Not one I've seen before, but certainly feasible. I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that Moffat claims he has a plan for the limit and how to resolve it, but there are so many possibilities that it should be fairly simple. No need to worry that Capaldi will be the last (although technically with the War Doctor and the tennant-tennant regeneration possibly counting, Smith is the 13th, so this could be resolved sooner than we think)
John Hurt was listed as "The War Doctor" in the credits of that mini episode.
Let the debate continue!
The writers have said the numbering as is, is correct, IIRC it was 11 who said that he did many things but those things were not in the name of "The Doctor" I guess you could say it's like being Sybil. Sure she technically did a lot of weird stuff, but if you look deeper, or believe her, it wasn't her at all, but someone else borrowing her skin for a bit
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We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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