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Another issue was the war scene in the painting. Why were Timelord combatants just Grunts? In the First series of 'Nu-Who' and i think a couple of Tenant episodes the war was described in Vague terms and the impression was of a pretty Unfathomable conflict, the name itself 'Timewar' would also suggest this. I am, again, aware of the slight unfairness of this criticism but i feel something more unique could have been shown than a 1940's air raid with flying saucers...
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As I understand it, most members of the “Time Lord” species are basically ordinary, apart from two hearts and such like. Only a small number of special Time Lords have the affinity with time energy to operate a Tardis. These would operate like commandos, doing time based special missions. The Time Lords obviously lost the war, so when the Daleks were besieging Gallifrey, the bulk of the troops on the ground were ordinary soldiers.
The Chancellery Guard have always died easily in the old series, they don't seem to be Timelords. It's a shame the grunts on the ground weren't designed with their aesthetic a bit more in mind rather than quite generic blokes with lasers.
Vermilion wrote: First time commenting here but since we are talking about the 50th...
I thought all in all it was good episode, a few plot holes here and there and nothing overly fantastic but overall i thought it was a fitting tribute to 50 years of the show.
the little references and links to other episodes and doctors was fantastic and the way they executed it really did sum up the franchise i felt.
The War Doctor was a little under developed as Perkustin has said but i feel it worked, adding much more would have seriously over complicated the episode and ruined it.
The main thing for me was the content of all 13 doctors, that i felt was fantastic. it shows in my eyes that Moffat at least plans to stick to the doctor's claim of only 12 regenerations, rather than stretching the franchise out beyond its reach and potentially ruining 50 years.
I don't know. The featurette after the show had the creators talking about looking forward to the Dr.'s next 50 years. Perhaps the Dr. will find a different way of regeneration like the master did.
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Any idea on who the big bad is for the Christmas special? The name they released is not known to me but the pic that came with it reminded me very strongly of the Rahni back in Sylvester Macoy's era.
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From what we've seen in the pics and trailers, we're looking at Daleks, Cybermen, Weeping Angels and the Silents all making an appearance, and the Army of the Silence are showing up again.
The blurb also mentions someone coming back from the Doctor's past, so possible the Rani. Other theories include the return of Romana.
Romana coming back would be awesome. Although getting her back from eSpace might be a bit of a trip.
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One thing I've seen suggested the Rani on the basis that, as a Time Lady and a scientist, if anyone had a motive and ability to counter the regeneration limit, it would be her. Which ties in nicely to the '11 is 13' thing we have going on at the moment.
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Paradigm wrote: One thing I've seen suggested the Rani on the basis that, as a Time Lady and a scientist, if anyone had a motive and ability to counter the regeneration limit, it would be her. Which ties in nicely to the '11 is 13' thing we have going on at the moment.
I agree, this does make the most sense. Conversely, Romana may have stumbled across information regarding Gallifrey while returning from espace.
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That's a good idea for searching for Gallifrey. "I've checked everywhere." "Ahh, but have you REALLLY checked everywhere"
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Gonna go with the Rani as Romana according to the stories written while the series was of the air went back to Gallafray and was elected president at one point. From what I understand the books are cannon but who knows.
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Audio/Prose were largely legitimized by the McGann webisode where he listed off a large number of non-TV companions.
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Stormdrake wrote: Gonna go with the Rani as Romana according to the stories written while the series was of the air went back to Gallafray and was elected president at one point. From what I understand the books are cannon but who knows.
Well, we could have Gallifrey return, the Doctor deposes Rassilon, Romana is put in power for helping the Doctor and being popular, maybe.
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I've only seen one episode with Romana (The City of Death, I think) and I gotta say, I'd LOVE to see her join up in the search for Gallifrey. She's a great character. It would be cool to see the Doctor traveling with an equal.
The problem with that is that Romana is already on Gallifrey during the Time War.
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Stormdrake wrote: I rewatched the "End of Time" episode and I can't find anywhere that they refer to the Time Lord president as Rassilon. Am I mistaken?
Spoiler:
This dude?
"As the Master's face falls, the Doctor orders him to get out of the way. Suddenly understanding, the Master jumps away from the White-Point Star just as the Doctor shoots it, and its destruction severs the link and reinforces the Time Lock, pulling the Time Lords back into the Time War and to their inevitable doom. The Doctor sends them "back into Hell", and identifies the Lord President as Rassilon. "
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Another issue was the war scene in the painting. Why were Timelord combatants just Grunts? In the First series of 'Nu-Who' and i think a couple of Tenant episodes the war was described in Vague terms and the impression was of a pretty Unfathomable conflict, the name itself 'Timewar' would also suggest this. I am, again, aware of the slight unfairness of this criticism but i feel something more unique could have been shown than a 1940's air raid with flying saucers...
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As I understand it, most members of the “Time Lord” species are basically ordinary, apart from two hearts and such like. Only a small number of special Time Lords have the affinity with time energy to operate a Tardis. These would operate like commandos, doing time based special missions. The Time Lords obviously lost the war, so when the Daleks were besieging Gallifrey, the bulk of the troops on the ground were ordinary soldiers.
So I would say the battle scene you are refering to is at the very end of the war. THe Time Lords are under seige on their own world and the council is thinking of destroying all of reality to save themselves. All of this pretty much points to the end game where as the comments you are talking about are referencing the struggle when the Time Lords were at their strongest. At least thats what I am thinking. All the crazy stuff 10 and 11 talked about occured prior to the Daleks gaining the upper hand.
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They in fact call out the 'crazy stuff' in the episode when they talk about the Time Vaults where the moment is stored. They already did all that and it didn't stop the Daleks.
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In Doctor Who Magazine, Steven Moffat opened up a little on Orly Brady's character, Tasha Lem:
The Doctor meets an old friend. Someone from his distant past. Someone who knows him very well, but whom we have never met. She's the Mother Superious of the Papal Mainframe.
[Blogtor Who]
Brady herself elaborated a little bit, talking about Tasha Lem's Bladerunner-inspired makeup:
That was a reference actually. That was the director's idea, Jamie [Payne]. We did make-up tests at the beginning and he looked at them and said he wanted a touch of alien, and I think he referenced Ridley Scott. It was that idea of human, but with a twist. And there is a twist, it's as Steven Moffat said, she's a descendant of humans, there's a grandmother or a great-grandmother who was from elsewhere, a touch of something else in her. Jamie wanted that slightly not-quite-human, three-quarters human thing, hence that Blade Runner reference, so he asked for that. They know their world so well, Howard Burden and the costume designers, they all know what they want and have a very good vision of it.
She also said the script made her laugh out loud, not at her character, but at a Doctor interaction she's worried about spoiling:
Not my character. It was Matt's interaction with a certain other character who I'm trying not to name [laughing]. There were other conversation strands between the Doctor and somebody else that made me laugh out loud. There were a couple of moments between Tasha and the Doctor that made me laugh out loud, but she's not a particularly funny character and in truth – and this is completely understandable – some things had to be shaved back because there's only so much time on Christmas Day. There's only an hour, and essential story has to be told, so some of the funnier moments, when we got to actually shooting, had been trimmed away, which I was sad about, because selfishly, you always want as much character as possible. Equally I could see quite properly that this episode was firmly about wrapping up the Doctor's story, so everything else that isn't that is up for grabs in terms of cuts.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I'm thinking the Rani. We were talking about it previously, weren't we?
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In fact, as it's been mentioned previously, how about we stop banging on about it?
Oh, don't get your panties in a twist. There's a difference between talking about an upcoming episode and using every opportunity to tell us how much you hate Matt Smith.
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