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The best part about Diablo 3's plot is that it requires so much effort to actually find that you kind of have to go out of your way to be harmed by it.

I just found this thread, but in response to the original questions
I'm playing:
Team Fortress 2
Space Hulk: Deathwing
DOW Soulstorm (with ua)

 LunarSol wrote:
The best part about Diablo 3's plot is that it requires so much effort to actually find that you kind of have to go out of your way to be harmed by it.

That is true. My biggest issue is that i'm the kind of person who has trouble not seeking out every little thing in every little corner of a game.

Ah well. I'm still having fun with it

 amazingturtles wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
The best part about Diablo 3's plot is that it requires so much effort to actually find that you kind of have to go out of your way to be harmed by it.

That is true. My biggest issue is that i'm the kind of person who has trouble not seeking out every little thing in every little corner of a game.

Ah well. I'm still having fun with it

I'm not gonna lie. I mostly didn't pay attention to the plot as I was destroying demons. I played the witch doctor but the demon hunter was pretty cool too. It kinda is too WoW-esque for diablo in my opinion but StarCraft 2 was as well.

I'm actually rather surprised miss turtles. First you played Warhammer fantasy, then talk about playing turn based strategy like xcom and now diablo. I suppose I should ask if you play Endless Legend or Endless Space 2 or similar games.

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I'm most looking forward to Gears Tactics which released today. I should be playing it by Thursday or Friday.

Until then i'm just playing xcom: chimera squad which is ok. For 10 USD it's a steal but it's not the greatest. There are good tactical parts but some of it seems too easy, the dialog is hammy/corny, some of the animation is not the best, the alien and hybrid voice actors are awful except the sectoid guy and the map are very contained in comparison to xcom. Breaches can be fun and some equipment is cool but to an extent it could be significantly better. The hardest bits by far are evac missions. If you don't have to evac at all the missions are ridiculously easy.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 amazingturtles wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
The best part about Diablo 3's plot is that it requires so much effort to actually find that you kind of have to go out of your way to be harmed by it.

That is true. My biggest issue is that i'm the kind of person who has trouble not seeking out every little thing in every little corner of a game.

Ah well. I'm still having fun with it

I'm not gonna lie. I mostly didn't pay attention to the plot as I was destroying demons. I played the witch doctor but the demon hunter was pretty cool too. It kinda is too WoW-esque for diablo in my opinion but StarCraft 2 was as well.

Huh. I really feel that diablo 3 did much more harm to WoW's design than the other way around. Adopting the 'adventure mode' missions as the filler end game 'content' for WoW being the biggest one.

Voss wrote:

Huh. I really feel that diablo 3 did much more harm to WoW's design than the other way around. Adopting the 'adventure mode' missions as the filler end game 'content' for WoW being the biggest one.

2 words: Auction House

I mostly was talking about the art style similarities between the blizzard games.

XCOM: Chimera Squad is out and I love it. Now I get to split my time between Animal Crossing, Persona 5 Royal, and XCOM. Plus still trying to work down mini backlog.

Things are getting busy this quarantine.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I mostly was talking about the art style similarities between the blizzard games.

don't you have phones?

ok i'll stop.
Back at playing Coh 2 .

still suck at it

Trying my hand at Bannerlord. Really shows that Mount and Blade vanilla might as well stand for bland. Like Warband, mods will really elevate it to a great game (if its fixed).

Playing gears tactics and enjoying it so far. I completed act1 chapter 4 and after watching a couple people play it I only had a little trouble with it. I'm enjoying the game so far. I think my least favorite class is the one with the bayonet lancers. It can do nice stabbing damage and sometimes that class can intimidate and knock back enemies but usually the enemy overwatch outranges intimidate. It can be good if you have wretches or locusts shotgunners on your guys though. Spamming executions is ridiculous. I mostly downed a bunch of locust so I had 2 soldiers execute them all together and they kept boosting the rest of the team. When I finished all the executions the other 2 teammates went from no actions or a couple actions to 6 actions each. It was utterly absurd. Needless to say they tore through the other 1 to 2 enemies left with actions to spare.

Btw shotgun locusts can be somewhat bs but maybe if you plant grenades between them and your squad you might be ok.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Voss wrote:

Huh. I really feel that diablo 3 did much more harm to WoW's design than the other way around. Adopting the 'adventure mode' missions as the filler end game 'content' for WoW being the biggest one.

2 words: Auction House

What about it? It was a bad idea that failed.

Well after a thoroughly enjoyable Civ 5 game where I won an easy diplomatic victory (man just focusing on your economy and buying everything makes the game too easy) I could jump into any other game I have in my Steam list that I bought and haven't played!

...I of course re-installed Skyrim and am playing that again because god forbid I should try something else...

I finally won my Lothern Campaign in Total War II. I managed to destroy Britonnia and their filthy peasants, after suffering through them confederating across their kingdom and in Araby, and then launched a 2 front invasion of Naggarond with a tag team of Tyrion and teclis coming up from the vampire coast while my highest normal general invaded the north, the two meeting in the middle after a long campaign that was still somehow less tedious than britonnia.

Then I basically bullied Vlad Von Carstein with my favorite general, hunted down Archaeon, and won the short and longterm campaigns within a turn of eachother after Chaos decimated the empire.

Favorite battle has to either be the battle where I had Tyrion fight Sigisvuld in the corpse of marienburg, My favorite normy General having a really close battle against archaeon, or Teclis nuking two britonnian armies by himself thanks to Arc Lightning and that net spell.

now I'm finally giving the empire a chance, and struggling with capturing marienburg without losing everything.

Voss wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Voss wrote:

Huh. I really feel that diablo 3 did much more harm to WoW's design than the other way around. Adopting the 'adventure mode' missions as the filler end game 'content' for WoW being the biggest one.

2 words: Auction House

What about it? It was a bad idea that failed.

The whole concept of buying late game equipment in a diablo game was bad and was brought over directly from WoW. It was much more damaging to the design of Diablo 3 than generic content in WoW endgame as it fundamentally broke the gameplay loop of the entire game. You couldn't have high drop rates as it would break the "economy" of the auction house, which just meant that many players would not bother with actually playing the game to try and acquire that equipment as it would just take too long, rather just buying it.

Add in the whole "with real money" on top to make it even worse.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Voss wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Voss wrote:

Huh. I really feel that diablo 3 did much more harm to WoW's design than the other way around. Adopting the 'adventure mode' missions as the filler end game 'content' for WoW being the biggest one.

2 words: Auction House

What about it? It was a bad idea that failed.

The whole concept of buying late game equipment in a diablo game was bad and was brought over directly from WoW. It was much more damaging to the design of Diablo 3 than generic content in WoW endgame as it fundamentally broke the gameplay loop of the entire game. You couldn't have high drop rates as it would break the "economy" of the auction house, which just meant that many players would not bother with actually playing the game to try and acquire that equipment as it would just take too long, rather just buying it.

Add in the whole "with real money" on top to make it even worse.

That's.... an interesting perspective, I guess. I've never really considered equipment particularly relevant in a diablo game- its junk that cycles too fast to get attached to, with no end point. The auction house seemed its own irrelevant thing, and Blizz was trying to profiteer off stupid player decisions. Whether other players were 'playing the game' or not seems irrelevant. But it doesn't strike me as WoW influencing D3's design, since you can't do that with the WoW AH. The gear that matters is all character-bound on pickup, and Blizz doesn't get a slice of real money with each sale. So blaming WoW for something that began and ended inside D3 doesn't make much sense.

Replacing real endgame content with generic repeatable crap, however, actually harms the game in a way that I care about.

You're not supposed to get attached to it. Stopping to sort through the junk and discover the few pieces that improve your character breaks up the monotony of the rather simplistic combat. The initial launch of D3 tried to enforce enough scarcity that people didn't get the reward section of the loop often enough to keep it interesting.

Beat Uncharted 3.
Kinda......just Ok. They brought back some really annoying bullet sponge enemies, the shotgun guys made me pull my hair out.
Kinda boring story TBH, the villains didnt seem like much, the big final city was amazing, but the whole curse and stuff behind it was lame, kinda felt like it didnt have the "Magic" or wonder to it shambala did.
The constant breaking up and getting back together of Elena and Nate seemed annoying.
The desert chapter made me angry, i legit got bored.
The set pieces however where great, The Convoy on the horse, the sinking ship, all of it. makes it fun.

I've been enjoying Half-Life: Alyx so far. I can really only play for 2 hours at a time tops, but that's true for pretty much any VR game before it gets uncomfortable.

Blaz Blue: Calamity Trigger, bought it and all of its sequels for 18 NZD on Steam last night and I'm on cloud nine because I haven't played Chronophantasma and Central Fiction yet and been wanting to for years. Continuum Shift is one of my favourite games ever once I wrap my head around all the strange Latinish terms the characters throw out left, right and centre without any explanation for the player(A huge no-no in storytelling and something I'm a bit guilty of from time to time) The story is great, a little convoluted for me, but the great/fun characters really make up for it in my eyes. Loving it!

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Beat Uncharted 3.
Kinda......just Ok. They brought back some really annoying bullet sponge enemies, the shotgun guys made me pull my hair out.
Kinda boring story TBH, the villains didnt seem like much, the big final city was amazing, but the whole curse and stuff behind it was lame, kinda felt like it didnt have the "Magic" or wonder to it shambala did.
The constant breaking up and getting back together of Elena and Nate seemed annoying.
The desert chapter made me angry, i legit got bored.
The set pieces however where great, The Convoy on the horse, the sinking ship, all of it. makes it fun.

Oh wow. Different strokes I guess. I find the first 2 Uncharted games to be pretty boring, but I soldiered through them because they did just enough to keep me going. It wasn't until 3 that they really roped me in. I really feel like they get better as you go, 3 and 4 are my absolute favorite entries. Lost Legacy was quite good as well, though very short.

Bought Snowrunner on ps4, mixed feelings.

The driving is at points worse then Spintiers/Mudrunner. The steering is all over the place and you both understeer and oversteer like crazy. One tiny flick on the stick at the wrong time and you are all over the road/path. I feel as if i am in a NFS game when i get past 2nd gear. Spintires/Mudrunner was mutch better in that regards.
Camera is allso worse in Snowrunner.

Mutch more to do in Snowrunner tough. Large maps with several districts,, account lvsystem, lotsofupgrades for every vehicle and its taking you from u.s to russia and no more hauling lumber as the only object of the game.
IF you can overcome the bad steering mechanics and the bad camera, it is a realy good realistic offroad game, but if you cant, then spintiers/mudrunner is a better game from a driving point.

Total war warhammer 2 with the Empire rework. Havn't gotten around to a full playthrough before. Playing on legendary difficulty with Karl Franz. It was very difficult in the beginning but once I stabalized I found it much easier to keep everything togheter. Also I'm swimming in influence and prestige so I intend to do mass confederations. I do like the new system but I kind of feel like the various threats feel less... Well threatening. Like the early game has gotten more difficult but the mid-late game more easy because you have so many tools and so much more agency over how you confederate with the Empire. That said I really like the feel of being the Emperor navigating the political landscape. I just wish there was more varied events, think I had the same event happen something like 3 times now. I really like the fortresses. I really like that you kind of want more generals around now to get full use of the elector counts bonuses. Overall it's been a blast though in a weird way I feel like I'm afraid of being to strong. Nothing can touch me at the moment and when chaos comes around I really want it to be a desperate struggle, not a steamroll.

Well, I *was* going to be playing some Red Dead Redemption 2 over the weekend, as it comes out on Xbox Game Pass tomorrow. However, it's just come available to pre-load, and it's saying Xbox Live Gold membership is also required...

Is that actually a requirement for RDR2 anyway, or are they doing some horrible 'premium content' sort of thing?

Crispy78 wrote:
Well, I *was* going to be playing some Red Dead Redemption 2 over the weekend, as it comes out on Xbox Game Pass tomorrow. However, it's just come available to pre-load, and it's saying Xbox Live Gold membership is also required...

Is that actually a requirement for RDR2 anyway, or are they doing some horrible 'premium content' sort of thing?

The game has lots of online content, so the Live pass might be a system requirement. I don't know for sure, though.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Beat Uncharted 3.
Kinda......just Ok. They brought back some really annoying bullet sponge enemies, the shotgun guys made me pull my hair out.
Kinda boring story TBH, the villains didnt seem like much, the big final city was amazing, but the whole curse and stuff behind it was lame, kinda felt like it didnt have the "Magic" or wonder to it shambala did.
The constant breaking up and getting back together of Elena and Nate seemed annoying.
The desert chapter made me angry, i legit got bored.
The set pieces however where great, The Convoy on the horse, the sinking ship, all of it. makes it fun.

Oh wow. Different strokes I guess. I find the first 2 Uncharted games to be pretty boring, but I soldiered through them because they did just enough to keep me going. It wasn't until 3 that they really roped me in. I really feel like they get better as you go, 3 and 4 are my absolute favorite entries. Lost Legacy was quite good as well, though very short.

I just felt thee 3 was a rehash of 2 with much of the same plot, mostly finding a city before the villain does.
yeah i know there are differences, but it doesnt feel like it.

For some reason I own Driveclub on PS4. It must have come with the console or something. Anyway I finally got round to playing it.

So far the game seems to be sorely lacking for content. As far as I can tell there is no career mode, so I can only make one-off races with no overall goal. There are a bunch of tracks but I started with access to only two cars. I unlocked a third, but it is worse than one of the starting ones. I can't access any of the online features without a subsciption but I don't really want to play multiplayer anyway.

Am I missing something here? It seems like the game is completely devoid of content, other than racing for the sake of it to unlock more cars

Noticed this free MMO called Meridian 59. Sounds cool and the download is stupidly small, but I’ve never tried an MMO before. This is mostly out of worry of toxic playerbases.
Do MMO communities live up to the horror stories you see on the internet?

 SkavenLord wrote:
Noticed this free MMO called Meridian 59. Sounds cool and the download is stupidly small, but I’ve never tried an MMO before. This is mostly out of worry of toxic playerbases.
Do MMO communities live up to the horror stories you see on the internet?

It... depends.

First, it depends if you're playing the game or just hanging out in cities paying attention to the chat. There tends to be a pretty big difference between the two, and the second is easily solved- if you aren't playing, log off. If you have to be in the city for something else, drop out of the chat channels.

Similarly, at least for WoW, the forums are much, much worse than the game itself, and that seems part of a general trend. Its particularly baffling on the WoW forums, since you can't post if you don't have an active account, and given how much many people on the forums seem to hate the game and the company, I can't imagine why they would. Also worthy of note, I find the most toxic people in these circumstances are the ones complaining about people complaining, or the ones that want something that isn't in the game.

Personally, in practice I've never found MMOs all that different from single player games. There's multiplayer stuff that you can do, but often no real reason to. You're either waiting for other people (as they dither, go on bio break, or whatever) or being rushed by other people (as they want to get the current dungeon over with NOW, if not five minutes ago), and I don't find either particularly fun. And often the rewards (of maybe better gear with which to get more slightly better maybe gear), aren't worth the time and effort.

But in general.... no. 'Toxic' communities tend to be overblown, and the ones that do exist are easily avoided.

 SkavenLord wrote:
Noticed this free MMO called Meridian 59. Sounds cool and the download is stupidly small, but I’ve never tried an MMO before. This is mostly out of worry of toxic playerbases.
Do MMO communities live up to the horror stories you see on the internet?

It varies heavily. PvP - no matter which game or genre - seems to attract the most toxicity.