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Visiting my parents, which means playing some Rayman on their Wii, plus some baseball with my dad, tennis with my mom.

These are good things, to make that clear.

I *kind of* want to play that game... saints row IV. Would I be missing anything having not played the other titles in the series? I'm not super easy to offend but is it gonna offend me anyway? Am I encouraged to solicit hookers and then run them over and genocide ethnic groups like the GTA series, or are they not as close in style as I had led myself to believe?

 GrimDork wrote:
I *kind of* want to play that game... saints row IV. Would I be missing anything having not played the other titles in the series? I'm not super easy to offend but is it gonna offend me anyway? Am I encouraged to solicit hookers and then run them over and genocide ethnic groups like the GTA series, or are they not as close in style as I had led myself to believe?

Generally, Saints Row is much lighter hearted than GTA yet tries to be more offensive if that makes sense. More poop jokes and less genocide.

 GrimDork wrote:
I *kind of* want to play that game... saints row IV. Would I be missing anything having not played the other titles in the series? I'm not super easy to offend but is it gonna offend me anyway? Am I encouraged to solicit hookers and then run them over and genocide ethnic groups like the GTA series, or are they not as close in style as I had led myself to believe?

There will be some references to earlier games. But you don't need to have played those games to enjoy the story.

While the Saints Row series started off as a GTA clone, it started heading in other directions fairly early on. I've never played the first game, so I can't comment on that one. But while the second game was mostly serious... One of the trailers probably put it best. In GTA, you could go play darts. In Saints Row 2, you could spray down the city while driving a septic truck. GTA was serious. Saints Row was already starting to move toward silly awesome fun.

The third game just completely went over the top nuts, with transformable mecha, and Burt Reynolds (yes, Burt Reynolds appears in the game, played by himself, as a supporting character). Saints Row IV is similar in that fashion, with a ruthless alien invader who posts in his Twitter feed shortly before release day that one of the best things to come out of Earth is Downtown Abbey.

In short, the series is all about awesome and fun and good silly.

I'd recommend playing Saints Row 3, if you can get it cheap first, just to introduce some of the characters. That and it might be disappointing if you enjoy 4, then go back to 3 and you start missing the super powers.

A lot of SR4 actually works on the basis you haven't played the first 1 games, I'd say. To those that have, it might feel like you're retreading old ground on some missions. To those that haven't, they're flashbacks.

To continue the tradition made in Saints Row 3, in SR4 Keith David plays Vice President... Keith David.

I do strongly recommend you watch 'They Live' before playing much of the game though.

Friends are getting me into CS:GO :/

man some of those guys are twitchy as feth

Nice, thanks for the recommendations guys. Sounds like I need to add 3 and 4 to my wishlist and keep an eye out for sales. Thanks for the info

I played the 2nd one and enjoyed it.

Fall damage in games is always irritating to me. "Oh, you fell the eqivilent of jumping out the window of a one story building? You're now dead." I have falled further than that, and I have never broken a bone in my life.

I once broke my freaking humerus dropping less than 6 feet. Granted I fell the 6 feet more or less plank position and it *was* a hairline fracture... but still. And this was in my bouncy childhood, let alone now that my bones are all years older and less springy.

Most video games vastly ignore/reduce/otherwise mitigate falling damage. And of course falling accidentally and dropping on purpose with a plan are vastly different situations.

 GrimDork wrote:
I once broke my freaking humerus dropping less than 6 feet. Granted I fell the 6 feet more or less plank position and it *was* a hairline fracture... but still. And this was in my bouncy childhood, let alone now that my bones are all years older and less springy.

Most video games vastly ignore/reduce/otherwise mitigate falling damage. And of course falling accidentally and dropping on purpose with a plan are vastly different situations.

Annoyingly enough, I always seem to take more fall damage from my planned descents than my accidental or #YOLO ones. Invisible walls also play a large part in pushing me off what would otherwise look like a perfectly suitable ledge, and doing nothing to dampen the fall. Going back to F:NV for a second, the invisible walls in that game are a fething joke, stopping you from even jumping onto a perfectly suitable boulder and the likes lest you take a shortcut that saves 10 seconds of walking around a pointless barrier.

I guess, I'm just weird. I've dropped from the top of my house (2 stories), and I was fine. All you have to do is allow your legs to compress, cushioning you fall.

Well I was a kid and it was an accident for one thing. I know how to drop into a roll but I sure wouldn't *want* to try it on anything over 10 feet just because broken/torn/sprained/pulled stuff sucks


Fallout has some funky walls and clipping/hitbox stuff going on. You get into a really advantageous/sneaky position and try to shoot through an obvious gap and miss every single shot you take, only to discover the gap in the metal fence you where shooting through was written as a solid wall and you were wasting your time and alerting your enemies.

Bit obnoxious but you get used to it. Just another one of those nuances.

 GrimDork wrote:
Well I was a kid and it was an accident for one thing. I know how to drop into a roll but I sure wouldn't *want* to try it on anything over 10 feet just because broken/torn/sprained/pulled stuff sucks


Fallout has some funky walls and clipping/hitbox stuff going on. You get into a really advantageous/sneaky position and try to shoot through an obvious gap and miss every single shot you take, only to discover the gap in the metal fence you where shooting through was written as a solid wall and you were wasting your time and alerting your enemies.

Bit obnoxious but you get used to it. Just another one of those nuances.

Those fake gaps have been the cause of many quick-loads in my playthroughs, to the point where I have to come quite far out of cover to take shots to ensure that nothing's physically in the way, and neither is its oversized hitbox.

Fallout 4 needs to come out soon, both to take advantage of newer technologies, and so I can have some deeper character creation, or at least deep enough that mods can add even more if need be (see: Skyrim).

What I'd love to see is them use that bike model to make a "mount". Like the horses in skyrim, but faster, and not able to ignore gravity.

Yeah, would be kind of cool to have the option to see a raider camp and just blow on past it quickly losing aggro but marking the spot to come back to at night

Expanding on the radio would be cool as well. More stations, more songs, more news. They could do some pretty cool things with it. They could even have the player get waylaid by a reporter and have that answer be broadcast.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
What I'd love to see is them use that bike model to make a "mount". Like the horses in skyrim, but faster, and not able to ignore gravity.

That'd give a use to things like fission batteries, and could perhaps be customisable. The shishkebab weapon in F3 suggests that fuel is still available, but I like the idea of a fission battery-powered vehicle instead, and it's hardly outside the realms of believability. Maybe fuel tanks could be added for occasional boosts, at the cost of having to track down fuel to refill it with. On customisation, things like lawnmower blades could be added to the wheels as makeshift scythes if your repair skill is high enough, or you can afford to pay someone to do it for you. Track down some paint and you can paint it. Get hold of some lights and you can add a working headlamp.

Depending on the repair skill you have, crossed with others like science, guns, energy weapons, survival etc, you could have varying types of bike, from a loud ramshackle thing purely to get from A to B, to a robotic one with an energy weapon defence system, or one with armour plates and spikes and the ability to crush through things. Maybe it's got built-in injectors for stims and drugs, or built-in smgs, grenade launchers, or minelayers. The only existing skills I can't see it benefiting from are Barter, Speech, Unarmed, and Melee Weapons (although that might in to rams or aforementioned scythes).

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It's gone 7am, I haven't slept, and I might be getting a little ahead of myself... >_>

That sounds awesome.
You could joust with long melee weapons at other bikes .

And isn't the war supposed to happen in the (alternate) future? Electric bikes and cars are hardly outside the realm of possibility.

The cars are nuclear/fission powered are they not? Isn't that why they explode into mushroom clouds after taking enough damage? Bikes may as well have the same power source.

Even if they just get the working bike model into the game w/o customization stock, modders should be able to fix it form there. Just get them the basic framework for a drivable bike and or even ATVs and they'd be GTG.

The really scary thing is once you get a bike, the raiders will probably have them too.. Kind of terrifying when you think about it!

Also if the bikes are fission powered, they should blow up into mushroom clouds too, good luck surviving that while riding one

I was counting on that last aspect; brings some risk. With a high enough explosives skill you might be able to rig a failsafe detonator to it, allowing you to activate it, bail, and have it keep driving until it explodes. Science could let you programme it to home in on a hostile selected from VATS. Energy weapons might add an EMP effect.

So many possibilities!

I've been playing Eurotrucker 2 a lot recently, it's oddly soothing.

 GrimDork wrote:
The cars are nuclear/fission powered are they not? Isn't that why they explode into mushroom clouds after taking enough damage? Bikes may as well have the same power source.

Even if they just get the working bike model into the game w/o customization stock, modders should be able to fix it form there. Just get them the basic framework for a drivable bike and or even ATVs and they'd be GTG.

The really scary thing is once you get a bike, the raiders will probably have them too.. Kind of terrifying when you think about it!

Also if the bikes are fission powered, they should blow up into mushroom clouds too, good luck surviving that while riding one

I find it ridiculous not just because it's unsafe but imagine what would happen in a car crash. One blows up which causes another to blow up and pretty soon you have half a city block in a nuclear explosion. Nobody would be that crazy or stupid to make something that'd turn a simple car crash into a massive chain reaction killing hundreds of people.

Well, there are "fission" batteries all over the place. Doesn't mean that they are actual mini reactors though.

But presumably there would have been safety systems in place whilst they were in use?

We are only able to look at what happens AFTER they have spent some considerable time deteriorating.

And even then, it's actually more likely that the reactor had deteriorated to the point where nothing would have happened, but they explode in mini nuclear explosions because
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It's fun! No better way of taking out a Supermutant.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
But presumably there would have been safety systems in place whilst they were in use?

We are only able to look at what happens AFTER they have spent some considerable time deteriorating.

And even then, it's actually more likely that the reactor had deteriorated to the point where nothing would have happened, but they explode in mini nuclear explosions because
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It's fun! No better way of taking out a Supermutant.

By flinging batteries at him?

Never been a fan of the Rock-it Launcher. I'm a railway Rifle kind of a guy. What's not to love about taking someone down whilst making "Choo-Choo" noises?

 Conrad Turner wrote:
Never been a fan of the Rock-it Launcher. I'm a railway Rifle kind of a guy. What's not to love about taking someone down whilst making "Choo-Choo" noises?

My character was heavy on explosives. It's so awesome using the bottlecap mines and nuka-cola grenades which do so much freaking damage. Even early on i used one bottlecap mine while running from some baddies (threw it into a hallway or out of view towards the side of it) and some guys come through and like 5-8 died all at once.

SPLOSIONS!

I would get bored and then stack every single explosive article I could find... mines, grenades, lunchbox bombs, what have you... pile them all up and shoot one. BOOOOOOOOOM!

It's even more fun if you stand on on the pile and do it, watch your character ragdoll potentially to the extent of the skybox.... I should have tried it off of tenpenny tower come to think of it..

I really would like to see vehicles in general in FA4. I mean, even if they run of fuel, they could distill ethanol right. And there could be a quest point about an oil refinery/well or something.