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 -Loki- wrote:
Converting Infinity isn't easy - it's fine saying old 40k vets should have the skills, but Infinity models are significantly smaller and more fragile than the bulky heroic scale GW stuff.

Cutting away part of a metal arm on a GW model is easy, because the arms on GW models are as thick as the legs on Infinity models.

Not just that but many of the models are done in such a way that they are obnoxious.

The male Wildcats from the Corregidor starter box for example have the left hand molded onto the rifle's grip but not attached to the arm itself.
Those two models have been giving me fits for a few weeks now as they do not want to align properly even after pinning.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Converting Infinity isn't easy - it's fine saying old 40k vets should have the skills, but Infinity models are significantly smaller and more fragile than the bulky heroic scale GW stuff.

Cutting away part of a metal arm on a GW model is easy, because the arms on GW models are as thick as the legs on Infinity models.

Not just that but many of the models are done in such a way that they are obnoxious.

The male Wildcats from the Corregidor starter box for example have the left hand molded onto the rifle's grip but not attached to the arm itself.
Those two models have been giving me fits for a few weeks now as they do not want to align properly even after pinning.

Ugh I am also not a fan of these types. I don't have the Wildcat model you are talking about, but it sounds identical to the Reverend Custodier w/ Boarding Shotgun model. I have been struggling with this one.

 -Loki- wrote:
Converting Infinity isn't easy - it's fine saying old 40k vets should have the skills, but Infinity models are significantly smaller and more fragile than the bulky heroic scale GW stuff.

Cutting away part of a metal arm on a GW model is easy, because the arms on GW models are as thick as the legs on Infinity models.

Actually, gotta disagree with that. While the more fine detail makes wide cuts require some re-sculpting, once you've resigned yourself to some greenstuff work it isn't too bad. I find the thinner arms easier to cut through with blades instead of having to Dremmel, which is nice. Finding bitz with enough detail to kitbash new parts is hard though- 40K bitz are hammy and useless for the most part.

I've done a couple CB conversions now- simple weapon swaps on JSA and Celestial Guard, then created a second Kuang shi controller Celestial Guard, magnetized a few options for drones, and am now on a much more difficult project (converting an O-Yoroi into a second pose so I can field two in my JSA force). The only thing that's been really challenging so far is the non-infantry models, IMO.

Back on the Anaconda, I didn't realize that the Spitfire was part of the HMG! Cool! Although that would make building it back up into HMG form to attach to the TAG kind of a pain...

 Michael Bishop wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Converting Infinity isn't easy - it's fine saying old 40k vets should have the skills, but Infinity models are significantly smaller and more fragile than the bulky heroic scale GW stuff.

Cutting away part of a metal arm on a GW model is easy, because the arms on GW models are as thick as the legs on Infinity models.

Not just that but many of the models are done in such a way that they are obnoxious.

The male Wildcats from the Corregidor starter box for example have the left hand molded onto the rifle's grip but not attached to the arm itself.
Those two models have been giving me fits for a few weeks now as they do not want to align properly even after pinning.

Ugh I am also not a fan of these types. I don't have the Wildcat model you are talking about, but it sounds identical to the Reverend Custodier w/ Boarding Shotgun model. I have been struggling with this one.

Be thankful you never did the old Odalisque with boarding shotgun. Poor girl needed an entire right mastectomy to get the left arm to meet the hand under the shotgun barrel.


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 Savnock wrote:
Actually, gotta disagree with that. While the more fine detail makes wide cuts require some re-sculpting, once you've resigned yourself to some greenstuff work it isn't too bad. I find the thinner arms easier to cut through with blades instead of having to Dremmel, which is nice. Finding bitz with enough detail to kitbash new parts is hard though- 40K bitz are hammy and useless for the most part.

The problem dooesn't come from needing to resculpt, but the fragility of the bits themselves. I nearly broke my rifle Ragik off his base tab just cleaning it. The models are thin and fragile, which makes conversion work a lot harder.

I am honestly amazed you have such problems, I never encountered them.

Yes, some models need careful test fit before gluing, but breaking parts while cleaning them or needing to carve parts of a model? no never.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Yes, some models need careful test fit before gluing, but breaking parts while cleaning them

The connection point of the toe to the base tab is about 1.5mm wide. Supporting the whole model. It's not very sturdy. I also didn't quite break it - it just bent very sharply. I'm considering running a pin through it, but I'm not sure yet.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
or needing to carve parts of a model? no never.

it was a well known problem with that model. Basically, to get the arms to line up, you need to remove the entire right breast so the shotgun arm fits properly.

it's slso the reason there's a shotgun model in the fireteam box and that model was discontinued. They redesigned it and made it better - I grabbed the old model for variety of choice (I can run 2 shotgun Odalisques if I want).

What amazes me is that I managed to glue it without any such issues, but I think everyone celebrated the new box and the discontinue of the old one.

On the subject of new models who has seen the new bases and what people think of them?

I actually like the old model better, even though it has been hard to assemble. You didn't have to remove her wole breast, though. Just around half. And if you're really careful you can do it with a knife.

I think it's important to remember that everyone has different skills at different levels. Personally Infinity conversions don't remotely phase me and I enjoy the challenge of working with smaller details. The painting phases me a great deal though! I don't find it remotely perplexing that some people struggle converting the miniatures though. If you're good at cooking or speaking another language do you find it astounding that someone else might struggle? That applies the other way around too, if you struggle with something it shouldn't be a revelation that someone else can do it with ease.

On topic: I still like the Anaconda.

He/she's a beaut, definitely looking at that as well and thinking what conversion might be possible...

.. and also if I want to potentially wreck such a model !

I think the Anaconda is a great model! It concerns me that its a Merc model, though. It's usually difficult to include mercenaries in a squad, isn't it?

I think I'm going to pick it up, either way.

We laughed at GW letting their officers in power armour walk around with the head unprotected.
Now Infinity makes giant armoured walkers with driver arms unprotected.
Hope they never make tanks, or the drivers legs will hang out

 Kroothawk wrote:
We laughed at GW letting their officers in power armour walk around with the head unprotected.
Now Infinity makes giant armoured walkers with driver arms unprotected.
Hope they never make tanks, or the drivers legs will hang out

To be fair though:
Manned TAGs are rare within the Infinity universe. They are primarily used by factions which specialize in infowar/hacking.
Remote TAGs where the operator is miles away or in orbit are the norm.

Welcome to the INFINITY thread Kroothawk!

Kanluwen wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
We laughed at GW letting their officers in power armour walk around with the head unprotected.
Now Infinity makes giant armoured walkers with driver arms unprotected.
Hope they never make tanks, or the drivers legs will hang out

To be fair though:
Manned TAGs are rare within the Infinity universe. They are primarily used by factions which specialize in infowar/hacking.
Remote TAGs where the operator is miles away or in orbit are the norm.

Plus the fact that TAGs with driver arms are nearly all old models (as in game time), the nations (not factions) that can afford Remote TAGs have remote TAGs.

Noir wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
We laughed at GW letting their officers in power armour walk around with the head unprotected.
Now Infinity makes giant armoured walkers with driver arms unprotected.
Hope they never make tanks, or the drivers legs will hang out

To be fair though:
Manned TAGs are rare within the Infinity universe. They are primarily used by factions which specialize in infowar/hacking.
Remote TAGs where the operator is miles away or in orbit are the norm.

Plus the fact that TAGs with driver arms are nearly all old models (as in game time), the nations (not factions) that can afford Remote TAGs have remote TAGs.

Kroothawk was previously confused that the remote TAGs didn't have heads in human scale with the rest of their bodies. Something about this setting apparently confuses and angers him.

The drivers arms are not unprotected from small arms fire or shrapnel having at least the equivalent protection of a HI armour, given how a TAG would actually be posed on the battlefield its two huge arms would in general be in front on them anyway.

Its a vulnerability of the design, its a master harness been copied by the huge slave TAG, the pilot must be physically able to perform the acts the TAG will perform, legs can be easily covered, but the hands would require a huge torso, essentially what Gijia and Szalamander have.

 redstripe wrote:
I think the Anaconda is a great model! It concerns me that its a Merc model, though. It's usually difficult to include mercenaries in a squad, isn't it?

Depends. ITS rules don't allow Mercenaries, but I'm of the opinion ITS rules should stay at tournaments. For friendly games, there shouldn't be a problem with Mercenaries - they were made to be used, afterall.

That said, some lists can use the Anacondas. IIRC, Qapu Khalki and Nomads can take thm as simply part of their normal options.

As far as I am aware, we do not know who can take the Anaconda squadron yet.

 Kanluwen wrote:
As far as I am aware, we do not know who can take the Anaconda squadron yet.

I'm going to wager all factions except Aleph, CA, and Tohaa. Just a guess though from reading the fluff.

I kinda guess the Raicho is a piloted TAG because remote controlling it would feel too much like cowardice.

 Micky wrote:
I kinda guess the Raicho is a piloted TAG because remote controlling it would feel too much like cowardice.

Good point there - additional Fluff Justification for the bonus win!

 Michael Bishop wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
As far as I am aware, we do not know who can take the Anaconda squadron yet.

I'm going to wager all factions except Aleph, CA, and Tohaa. Just a guess though from reading the fluff.

It would be weird if Ariadna got a fully 'normal' TAG before getting one of their much-desired 'archaic' TAGs.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Michael Bishop wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
As far as I am aware, we do not know who can take the Anaconda squadron yet.

I'm going to wager all factions except Aleph, CA, and Tohaa. Just a guess though from reading the fluff.

It would be weird if Ariadna got a fully 'normal' TAG before getting one of their much-desired 'archaic' TAGs.

But remember it wouldn't be an Ariadnan (Ariadnese?) TAG, it's a merc one that they hired to fight with them.

 Kroothawk wrote:
We laughed at GW letting their officers in power armour walk around with the head unprotected.
Now Infinity makes giant armoured walkers with driver arms unprotected.
Hope they never make tanks, or the drivers legs will hang out

Just so your aware I saw real life where the driver heads were hanging out of tanks and that was in downtown Mosul Iraq so lets not quibble over small stuff and love the quality of the product.

He's not quibbling but simply humorously bringing up an interesting tidbit that deservedly gets flak for another game... don't get worked up about it. Liking every single thing about infinity isn't a prereq for posting in this thread. Btw, those tank drivers CHOSE to stick their heads out; TAG pilots don't have a choice and their arms are flailing about unprotected no matter what.

 warboss wrote:
He's not quibbling but simply humorously bringing up an interesting tidbit that deservedly gets flak for another game... don't get worked up about it. Liking every single thing about infinity isn't a prereq for posting in this thread. Btw, those tank drivers CHOSE to stick their heads out; TAG pilots don't have a choice and their arms are flailing about unprotected no matter what.

Well when you build a tag 200-300 years in the future rember to keep their arms self contained.

Really though, those arms look like HI arms which often are like armour 5 or so already - anything heavy enough to smash through that would be quite unpleasant hitting a TAGs torso just the same. Okay, so joints can be an issue but that amount of handwavium tech I'm personally comfortable with tolerating, TBH

Honestly, no helmet isn't the same thing. We've got HI without their helmets already (De Fersen is a good example). That's more comparable to Space Marines going helmetless than TAGs.

The best comperison to 40k is the Dreadknight with its babycarrier in the front, which Infinity does far more sensibly. The only reason the arms are out of the body is because they need to be for mimicking movement. The Dreadknight just gives zero feths about sense and has the pilot sitting on front of the armoured chest. Granted, he's in Terminator armour, but it's still dumb.

Well, if we're going to be discussing the odd designs of TAGs, maybe someone could explain what's going on with the Raicho? Does the thing have two operators or something? You've got what looks like the operator's head up at the top, and then you've got the operator's arms down at the abdomen, but the two parts are way too far apart to a part of the same person. How does that work?