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Might change my avatar for the occasion - 10 years + of trolling various forums I have always used this same avatar - so maybe change to something Infinity related for a short while.. ?

Sad that is the only thing I can think of though..

 Kanluwen wrote:

So why are only the women wearing them?



Anyways I think it worth mentioning that hints are being dropped about the Iguana being a September release. Fingers crossed.

Haha yes, quite !

The Iguana is actually the one occasion I don't want the mini to be released yet - got permission to use my Antenociti 'Komodo' suit in ITS, but presumably that will be void when the official mini is released. Shame, as without seeing the Iguana yet, the Antenociti mini I have kind of matches the character of my QP.. :(

202 pages now - huzzah!

I suppose we were due some variation of the "Anime/Cheescake/Combat Thongs 'n' Heels" 'discussion' but...

...if we could take it someplace other than the News & Rumors thread, please?

 Pacific wrote:

Haha yes, quite !

The Iguana is actually the one occasion I don't want the mini to be released yet - got permission to use my Antenociti 'Komodo' suit in ITS, but presumably that will be void when the official mini is released. Shame, as without seeing the Iguana yet, the Antenociti mini I have kind of matches the character of my QP.. :(

The Komodo suit is way to tiny to be used as a Iguana anyways since the Iguana is regular TAG size. Komdod could be used as a Gecko until they come out.

Bubbalicious wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

Haha yes, quite !

The Iguana is actually the one occasion I don't want the mini to be released yet - got permission to use my Antenociti 'Komodo' suit in ITS, but presumably that will be void when the official mini is released. Shame, as without seeing the Iguana yet, the Antenociti mini I have kind of matches the character of my QP.. :(

The Komodo suit is way to tiny to be used as a Iguana anyways since the Iguana is regular TAG size. Komdod could be used as a Gecko until they come out.

Technically anything can be considered an appropriate proxy until concept art/scale shots are released.

Now that we have seen the Iguana render however--yeah, the Komodo is way too small unless you have two of them standing on top of each other.

Bubbalicious wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

Haha yes, quite !

The Iguana is actually the one occasion I don't want the mini to be released yet - got permission to use my Antenociti 'Komodo' suit in ITS, but presumably that will be void when the official mini is released. Shame, as without seeing the Iguana yet, the Antenociti mini I have kind of matches the character of my QP.. :(

The Komodo suit is way to tiny to be used as a Iguana anyways since the Iguana is regular TAG size. Komdod could be used as a Gecko until they come out.

My defence against this would be
- 'too small for a TAG' is a relative thing when considering the normal human-sized TAGs of Aleph (Achilles etc.)
- Its been OK'ed for an ITS tournament (for Tabletop Nation)
- It looks great!

I've used the Nomad heavy infantry as the guy inside (the HMG actually looks kind of similar) - and he has all of the wires sticking out, looks like he could have been inside the TAG.

I guess going forward I will have to use in friendly games, as a medium TAG that is not an Iguana but has similar effectiveness.

Achilles is not classed as a TAG; he is described as being statted like one (which he totally is, along with most of the Homeridae).

It's a descriptive thing not a literal thing with Achilles.

Yes I know that - I was just disputing regarding the Iguana being too-powerful a unit (stat wise) for the Komodo to be usable as a miniature. As a TAG it's not amazing, physically the miniature is bigger than the CA Sphinx.

 Pacific wrote:
Yes I know that - I was just disputing regarding the Iguana being too-powerful a unit (stat wise) for the Komodo to be usable as a miniature. As a TAG it's not amazing, physically the miniature is bigger than the CA Sphinx.

Again it's not a question of power but rather the idea of "modeling for advantage".

When there is no model or concept art or anything like that, it's easy enough to accept the Komodo as a placeholder for the Iguana but when we've now seen the renders and gotten an idea as to how it looks, how it is based, etc that becomes a different story.

Yes fair enough I suppose it could be perceived in that way.. the people I play with know I'm a respectful and law-abiding member of society however and would never do such a thing..

I don't think its beyond the realm of possibility, and I would hate the imagination surrounding Infinity to be curtailed in such a way, for 'Tata-McDonald Douglas' or whoever else makes TAGs in the 23rd century, to make a vehicle that is equivalent (stats wise) to an Iguana. In that respect I know for a fact no-one I play will have any problem of continuing to field the Komodo miniature.

I'm guessing in the hardcore ITS scene it might be a different matter however.

Technically, in an ITS event you wouldn't be able to use it regardless of size because it's a non-CB commercial model...

 Pacific wrote:
... and I would hate the imagination surrounding Infinity to be curtailed in such a way, for 'Tata-McDonald Douglas' or whoever else makes TAGs in the 23rd century, to make a vehicle that is equivalent (stats wise) to an Iguana.

Damn right, I'd hate it if Infinity reached the point where there was outrage if you didn't use the official models all the time, atleast in a casual setting. There are some models/designs in the Haqq range I just don't like (looking at you Hafzas) and would always proxy.

Proxing in itself is not an issue, as long as it is clear what is what, and how they are equipped.

Proxying becomes an issue when the model you proxy with is half the size of the model you dont like/dont have.

To be honest I know from experience that, while these things aren't popular when you mention them on the internet, in reality it isn't really an issue.

I proxied (or perhaps, 'counts as' is a better description) Pre-Heresy World Eaters for 40k for years, using the Blood Angels codex to represent them. Far more of a leap than the Komodo - Iguana. That I had made such an effort with the army (every miniature was converted), and I knew the people I was playing against, I didn't ever have a single person refuse to play me and in actual fact (because I was one of those rare breed of 40k players with a fully painted army) I used to be 'reserved' sometimes weeks in advance.

Perhaps it comes down to face-to-face interactions rather than talking to someone in text boxes on the internet, with only their avatar to determine whether someone is a scheming wargaming-villain.. within a limited gaming group (or even internet group) you pretty much learn what someone is about when you meet them or at the very least play your first game against them. Remember reading about a guy who was planning on removing 1mm from the arm/legs of Scarface (to reduce its silhouette) but fortunately such people are a rarity.

Honestly I couldn't really care less in casual games against friends, if they wanted to use the komodo as an iguana it'd be fine. In a pickup game against someone you don't really know or an its tourney its a different matter.

I guess having a legitimate reason helps too, as in prefer the model/ can't afford the official one/ fits the aesthetic of the force better etc, especially if some effort has gone into the painting and modelling.

If I were going to use it as a permanent replacement I'd probably convert it or extend the base to make it taller having seen the real iguana but wouldn't require my opponents to.

 Pacific wrote:
To be honest I know from experience that, while these things aren't popular when you mention them on the internet, in reality it isn't really an issue.

I proxied (or perhaps, 'counts as' is a better description) Pre-Heresy World Eaters for 40k for years, using the Blood Angels codex to represent them. Far more of a leap than the Komodo - Iguana. That I had made such an effort with the army (every miniature was converted), and I knew the people I was playing against, I didn't ever have a single person refuse to play me and in actual fact (because I was one of those rare breed of 40k players with a fully painted army) I used to be 'reserved' sometimes weeks in advance.

This is a bit of a different case though than Komodo->Iguana.

When you proxied the entire army, I would assume that you used Marine models correct? And that they used weapons which were readily identifiable, on the same sized bases as any Blood Angels models, etc?
When doing it like that, and especially with the fact that you said that you "made such an effort with the army(every miniature was converted)", there is no real room for anyone to object. It was a labor of love for you not simply a color palette swap or a case of "This model is really this and this model is really this, but this model really is that"(not intended to be a dig at you Pacific) that you see with many proxy armies.

With Infinity there is a lot of room for proxying as many units are missing models for certain profiles or some profiles/units simply have not got a single model released yet. Hell sometimes you do not even have the concept art to work from!
With the Iguana though, there has always been the statement that it is in the same "weight class" as the Lizard TAG currently available. I have not seen the Komodo in person but it looks to be on a 40mm base where the Lizard uses a 60mm base.
Differences in height and width generally are frowned upon when proxying, even in friendly games, just because even if someone is not modeling for advantage it does give an advantage.
It's something that I personally considered when I was assembling my Corregidor force on Secret Weapons "Blasted Wetlands" bases which have a tiny 'dip' in the base itself making the models go slightly below where they would be on stock bases. It's why as many models as possible have been assembled to be standing with at least one foot perched on something to make the model have the same general height as a test model on a Corvus Belli base.

Perhaps it comes down to face-to-face interactions rather than talking to someone in text boxes on the internet, with only their avatar to determine whether someone is a scheming wargaming-villain.. within a limited gaming group (or even internet group) you pretty much learn what someone is about when you meet them or at the very least play your first game against them. Remember reading about a guy who was planning on removing 1mm from the arm/legs of Scarface (to reduce its silhouette) but fortunately such people are a rarity.

Not as rare as you might think sadly.

 Pacific wrote:

I proxied (or perhaps, 'counts as' is a better description) Pre-Heresy World Eaters for 40k for years, using the Blood Angels codex to represent them. Far more of a leap than the Komodo - Iguana. That I had made such an effort with the army (every miniature was converted), and I knew the people I was playing against, I didn't ever have a single person refuse to play me and in actual fact (because I was one of those rare breed of 40k players with a fully painted army) I used to be 'reserved' sometimes weeks in advance.

Is the model above the one you're using for the iguana? It seems like it would be a good substitution now for the gecko but it's significantly smaller than the iguana silhouette we now have. Comparing it to a Blood Angles to World Eater codex swap isn't an accurate comparison based on the size... it's more like a Terminator substituting in for a Crisis suit. Again, I don't think anyone would or should (like in your experience) have an issue with it while there is *no* art to base it off of but I'd suspect some would in the ITS type setting being mentioned now that there is an official guide (and I don't think that is unreasonable either). From what I've read, cover is extremely important and I'd suspect having a model that is so much smaller (if you're using the above model.. don't know if Anecoscitis makes different scales of that one) does change the situation compared with using the full sized model. An easy solution might be to use it as a gecko instead or just default to an appopriately sized model/cutout of the silhouette if there ever is an issue about cover.

See this is exactly what I'm talking about, if Pacific is happy using the model and his friends are happy with him using the model what does it matter what anyone on the internet thinks? Why is it such a big what someone you will probably never meet, nevermind play against, does?

Sorry if this comes across as pissy, I'm just fed up of reading threads where people complain strangers are "doing it wrong" :/

You shouldn't read discussion forums then because people have a habit of discussing things that are presented. Most of the people presenting potential issues have already said that he was "doing it right" in the past but rather that the circumstances for making that determination have changed significantly. It's just a simple presentation of viewpoints but I do agree though that it's a bit of a derailment for the N&R thread.

 smiler wrote:
See this is exactly what I'm talking about, if Pacific is happy using the model and his friends are happy with him using the model what does it matter what anyone on the internet thinks? Why is it such a big what someone you will probably never meet, nevermind play against, does?

Sorry if this comes across as pissy, I'm just fed up of reading threads where people complain strangers are "doing it wrong" :/

Who is complaining that anyone is "doing it wrong"?

We're having a discussion here. A discussion involves not just one party but multiple parties--and not just one viewpoint but multiples.

Except the discussion was the result of the picking up of a passing comment from Pacific and arguably should've been taken elseware. The news and rumours section and p&m section are pretty much all I read because I'm not interested in this kind of back and forth.

Anyway, I'll shut up, don't want to derail things further

 warboss wrote:
...but I do agree though that it's a bit of a derailment for the N&R thread.

So do I.

Please take it somewhere else - thanks!

EDIT- Nevermind.

More on topic, someone mentioned that Nomads' heavy infantry were being redone. Those are the Mobile Brigada, right? When did they mention they were being remade?

.. Wow!

Really sorry for derailing the thread with this..

Kan and Warboss have made very valid points which I agree with - I'll continue to use the Komodo in friendly games, obviously not in the ITS setting now that the new concept art is released.. and hope that's to everyone's appoval?

More on topic, someone mentioned that Nomads' heavy infantry were being redone. Those are the Mobile Brigada, right? When did they mention they were being remade?

Yes that would make sense.. perhaps it might be after the rumoured Aguicales boxset comes?

Some pics from Studio Giraldez on Facebook..



Work of art...


And I think the final nail in the coffin in my resistance to collecting Tohaa... out of interest, what is the weird yellow thing on the female Tohaa's arm?

That is the "Defensive Hacking Device".

As of right now, the Mobile Brigada are not even on the radar. Alguaciles have had concept art shown--and we have seen the Hacker model already.

Defensive hacking device.

I have the new Hacker...but...I don't remember seeing new Alguaciles concept art!

That defensive hacking device is the only unique Tohaa thing we've seen so far. It looks biotechnological in the way it's enveloping her arm. It's great.

I just wish they'd do more enveloping biological shapes and less yellow glowing chainmail.

 Alpharius wrote:
I have the new Hacker...but...I don't remember seeing new Alguaciles concept art!

I don't have it on hand, but it looked very similar to the Intruder concept art we've seen--just less armored.

The best we have iirc

That was it, PS. Thanks you.