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ephrael wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
In regards to the Iguana and how the pilot is situated, do people want me to post up a picture from the Infinity Artbook that shows it?

I would love to see that if you don't mind. My Artbook won't be here until my birthday next week.

There you go.

I cropped it in such a way that I included the Gecko as well.
Basically the pilot is "seated" and the protrusion that people have been discussing is in front of the pilot's lower torso.

So...why don't the pilots arms match up with the ejected pilots arms? Is there some sort of transforming element to the ejection?

 plastictrees wrote:
So...why don't the pilots arms match up with the ejected pilots arms? Is there some sort of transforming element to the ejection?

Bear in mind that the sketch there of the Iguana is just a mannequin, essentially, showing the placement. For whatever reason they did not actually armor the pilot in the mannequin but it shows a general idea of where the pilot is seated.

Sorry Kan, meant that in reference to the actual model. The armor on the arms doesn't match between pilot in and pilot out.

He's talking about the model itself. The forearms on the ejected pilot are different to the forearms of the mounted pilot.

Eh. If I had to guess it's just a few expendable armor plates or extraneous bits that get dumped upon ejection.

The only real difference I'm seeing to be honest is the coloration.

The forearm armor might actually not be different. It could just be colored differently since you can't see the back of the slave arms.

As for the different colors, the ejected pilot already ejected out of his TAG. His was just painted differently. There, problem solved.

Think this is my favourite TAG so far. Bloody lovely, and the pilot looks great.

BobbaFett wrote:

Biggest penis I have seen on a battle suit.

Kanluwen wrote:

Another baby carrier? What is next? A tank with the driver tacked to the front armour?

The designs get weirder and weirder

 Kroothawk wrote:
Another baby carrier? What is next? A tank with the driver tacked to the front armour?

The designs get weirder and weirder

The baby carrier designs go back a fair way, even to the Lizard and O-Yori. If you don't like it, that's cool, but it's hardly new. Fluffwise, all TAGs aside from Pan Oceania and Aleph models are piloted.

Honestly, I prefer it because they aren't constrained by trying to logically shape it so someone can fit inside. They can have a bit more fun with the design and pose. It's not like they're abominations like the Dreadknight.

 -Loki- wrote:
Another baby carrier? What is next? A tank with the driver tacked to the front armour?

The designs get weirder and weirder

Kroothawk wrote:The designs get weirder and weirder

The design is similar to slave-master armored suits, more typically found in various anime. Unless you're referring to some other detail I have missed.

-Loki- wrote:Fluffwise, all TAGs aside from Pan Oceania and Aleph models are piloted.

Adding CA to the list. Avatar is after all only a big kid that enjoys making friends and hugging them.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Another baby carrier? What is next? A tank with the driver tacked to the front armour?

The designs get weirder and weirder

The baby carrier designs go back a fair way, even to the Lizard and O-Yori. If you don't like it, that's cool, but it's hardly new. Fluffwise, all TAGs aside from Pan Oceania and Aleph models are piloted.

This is not necessarily true.

The Sphinx is remote presence per the art book.

Caskuda isn't piloted as much as just being himself generally either, right?

PanO, Aleph, and Combined do Remote Presence because they have the technology.

Mercs, Nomads, and Haqqi do piloted because they don't have the technology widely-available.

YuJing and Morats do piloted because they like putting actual people in heavy armor.

That is actually a hard one to say. We don't have all that much on the Concordat/Exrah units. It could be a biomechanical TAG similar to what we are going to see with the Gorgos.

The Gorgos itself is actually an interesting one. We're not sure whether it is a remote presence TAG or a piloted one--if piloted, it is the first one without slave arms.


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 Absolutionis wrote:
PanO, Aleph, and Combined do Remote Presence because they have the technology.

Mercs, Nomads, and Haqqi do piloted because they don't have the technology widely-available.

YuJing and Morats do piloted because they like putting actual people in heavy armor.

Nomads can do remote presence, but the implication is that they do not because of how vulnerable RP TAGs are compared to piloted.

Kroothawk likes to pop his head in every time a new TAG is released and try to be clever. It's best just to smile and nod and he'll go back to reposting news,

I'm fairly certain the gorgos is piloted, it follows the rules for symbiont armour.

Henshini wrote:
I'm fairly certain the gorgos is piloted, it follows the rules for symbiont armour.

Absolutely true.

But the question is more along the lines of "Is it actually piloted by a Tohaa--or is the symbiont armor piloting itself?"
Think of the Hunters from the "Halo" universe--a suit of armor containing a colony of organisms that use the armor to assume a humanoid form.

The question was if it'll have slave arms. The concept art does not show it.

Ah, too late.

 Kanluwen wrote:
That is actually a hard one to say. We don't have all that much on the Concordat/Exrah units. It could be a biomechanical TAG similar to what we are going to see with the Gorgos.

The Gorgos itself is actually an interesting one. We're not sure whether it is a remote presence TAG or a piloted one--if piloted, it is the first one without slave arms.
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Nomads can do remote presence, but the implication is that they do not because of how vulnerable RP TAGs are compared to piloted.

Hey Kan, each time I read you, you keep me wondering about if you read the books or simply get high on whatever you smoke and then come up with your own fluff.

Nomads can't build remote presence TAGs, furthemore, neither they have the "know how" nor the funds to produce TAGs like PanO and YuJing, the Hyperpotences, do. One thing is being able to modify and pimp a TAG, and another completely different is being able to design and produce a TAG. So far in the Sphere only the Panoceanian companies master the remote TAG technology. YuJing have the know how to produce TAGs, but they haven't developed that field because they have focused most of their funds in the investigation field of servoarmor technology instead. Neither the Nomad nation nor Haqqislam are able to produce TAGs; that's why the buy the obsolete TAG series the PanOceanian defense companies supply the mercenary and weapons market with. If you think about it it's exactly like happens in current real life. The only nation with stealth bombers technology are you guys, the US, and of course you won't sell them to any other country. But your weapons and defense companies sell to other countries arounf the world, old glories, yet still highly efficient, such as F16 and F18 fighters or the Apache longbow attack chopper.

Anyway, regarding the Gorgos, as it is explained in Campaign Paradiso, it's just a bigger simbiont armor, therefore yes. it's piloted, or better said, worn by its user. The book makes clear it's piloted by a Tohaa.

And finally. once Carlos told me the Caskuda is a mix between biological and mechanical parts, which , according to him, is quite common in the Exrah technology. So the Caskuda is a living machine.

Janzerker wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
That is actually a hard one to say. We don't have all that much on the Concordat/Exrah units. It could be a biomechanical TAG similar to what we are going to see with the Gorgos.

The Gorgos itself is actually an interesting one. We're not sure whether it is a remote presence TAG or a piloted one--if piloted, it is the first one without slave arms.
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Nomads can do remote presence, but the implication is that they do not because of how vulnerable RP TAGs are compared to piloted.

Hey Kan, each time I read you, you keep me wondering about if you read the books or simply get high on whatever you smoke and then come up with your own fluff.

You do realize that there are a lot of holes in the books regarding the background, right?
When I use words like "implication", it means that it is something not flatout stated. The basics of remote presence are actually not that complex--and considering that we have things like the Zondbots, etc (which are remote presence on a smaller scale), my statement is not that farfetched.

Nomads can't build remote presence TAGs, furthemore, neither they have the "know how" nor the funds to produce TAGs like PanO and YuJing, the Hyperpotences, do. One thing is being able to modify and pimp a TAG, and another completely different is being able to design and produce a TAG. So far in the Sphere only the Panoceanian companies master the remote TAG technology. YuJing have the know how to produce TAGs, but they haven't developed that field because they have focused most of their funds in the investigation field of servoarmor technology instead. Neither the Nomad nation nor Haqqislam are able to produce TAGs; that's why the buy the obsolete TAG series the PanOceanian defense companies supply the mercenary and weapons market with. If you think about it it's exactly like happens in current real life. The only nation with stealth bombers technology are you guys, the US, and of course you won't sell them to any other country. But your weapons and defense companies sell to other countries arounf the world, old glories, yet still highly efficient, such as F16 and F18 fighters or the Apache longbow attack chopper.

And if you think about it, "exactly like happens in current real life" you have nations that do not want to invest in military R&D too heavily and instead purchase proven systems from other nations and develop those systems further. You even mention the whole "divergent technological resources" in your statement--YuJing could produce RP TAGs, but instead focus on heavy infantry.

It is not beyond belief that the piloted TAGs of the "Reptile" series are not as obsolete as players seem to believe, even discounting the upgrades that the Nomad Nation have been making to them. The Ramhorn series TAGs you might have a point on, but I think until Corvus Belli sits down and posts a "timeline of TAG development"--there is no real definitive answer and there is plenty of room for inferences.
By the way, I'm sure you are aware of the fact that Haqqislam has developed their own TAG. It's called the Maghariba.

Anyway, regarding the Gorgos, as it is explained in Campaign Paradiso, it's just a bigger simbiont armor, therefore yes. it's piloted, or better said, worn by its user. The book makes clear it's piloted by a Tohaa.

Yeah, and the book also says that the Gecko is a "superheavy infantry". Look at how that turned out with the release of the art book--where the Gecko is almost the same size as the Iguana.

The Gorgos can be a "bigger symbiont armor worn by a pilot" but as of right now that does not actually make any sense unless the Tohaa is genetically modified to be the size of the Gorgos. The scale of the Gorgos is right up there with a Jotum or Dragoes from the artwork we have, considering it has a Chaksa perched on its forearm.

And finally. once Carlos told me the Caskuda is a mix between biological and mechanical parts, which , according to him, is quite common in the Exrah technology. So the Caskuda is a living machine.

That's nice and all--but it's not in the books. So if you want to complain at me about the fact that I'm making guesses, don't come back at me with the whole "Carlos told me X" line.
For what it's worth I completely believe you on this, as the Combined Army have been depicted as a mishmash of biological and technological from the beginning.

Kanluwen wrote:
That's nice and all--but it's not in the books. So if you want to complain at me about the fact that I'm making guesses, don't come back at me with the whole "Carlos told me X" line.
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Ah come on mate.. you can't let him have that one? Saying one of the game's chief designers told you something isn't quite the same as pulling it from thin air..

 Pacific wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
That's nice and all--but it's not in the books. So if you want to complain at me about the fact that I'm making guesses, don't come back at me with the whole "Carlos told me X" line.
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Ah come on mate.. you can't let him have that one? Saying one of the game's chief designers told you something isn't quite the same as pulling it from thin air..

But that's just it Pacific.

I can say whatever I want--that doesn't mean that I'm not pulling it from thin air, nor does it mean that someone who has seemingly "pulled something from thin air"(your words) did not actually take time to read and apply a measure of logic to what they said.

However you did leave off the other part where I said that I do believe that Carlos would have told him such, given that it matches exactly what the implications in the book lead you towards.

Can we please not get into the "Kan is Always Right" discussion here in the News and Rumors thread?

Please?

Sure. I can go be busy doing something else.

 Kanluwen wrote:

By the way, I'm sure you are aware of the fact that Haqqislam has developed their own TAG. It's called the Maghariba.

I'm afraid that's not the case.

Rulebook, 1st and 2nd edition, page 20.

"PanOceania exports TAGs to other nations, both the most modern and advanced, such as O12's Zeta units, as the most archaic ones, such as the Maghariba for Haqqislam"

Not to mention, from the Lizard description.

Lizard squadrons are equipped with old T.A.G. (Tactical Armoured Gear) models, military surplus from other armies.

 Alpharius wrote:
Can we please not get into the "Kan is Always Right" discussion here in the News and Rumors thread?

Please?

I guess for this to happen, we'll need complete cooperation from all parties, including Kanluwen, so, please, everyone, let's all work together here!

warboss wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

warboss wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Noir wrote:

Casey's Law wrote:I've had similar thoughts to Kan on the future of the Gecko. I think something got lost in translation, not literally, at some point and I vaguely foresee them making some changes to the rules after the miniature is released. I've secretly wished they'd actually make them linkable to make up for the undesirable/unexpected size.

CB tried linkable Gecko, but decided they are overpowered. They could of dropped the ejection system for the same reason, 4 units on the field that when dropped become HI units might of been seen as overpowered.

To be fair, purportedly when they tried linkable Geckos they had a LT option.

Is anyone opposed completely to the idea if they make them the least powerful TAGs but the only linkable TAGs? (assuming that hasn't been done before from the tone here)

Corvus Belli was.

I'm talking about making them less powerful than currently but linkable.

I did not know they had tried it out, very interesting! I'd really like them to look at that again but I'm not holding out much hope. Would anyone be interested if I put up a thread where we recreated the Gecko as a community edition? Just for fun obviously.

BobbaFett wrote:Corvus Belli delivers an excellent model once again. Not big news at all.
The INFINITY range is incredible. This Iguana? is just september.
Some people is like... surprised by this miniature, I just don't know why...
I've been following every release from this company for so many years now... they are constantly releasing excellent models, month after month.
they are from Spain but their stuff is world class.

Let's not get dragged down to the level of being an old boys club. The idea that we aren't allowed to enjoy the Iguana because Corvus bring out beautiful miniatures every month is completely ridiculous. Did I enjoy my breakfast today? No because I always enjoy breakfast! I remember breakfast from before you knew breakfast existed!
This sort of chat is as unwelcome here as the silly Kan baiting, and Kan biting come to mention it.

I'm not pinning this on you Bobba, I'm sure it was a mistake but we should be mindful not to talk like this.