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I would not be surprised too, but 40mm might be a big stretch, maybe we will see the introduction of 30mm base, that would be quite interesting for game balance.

It would be hopefully be used as a justification for larger TAG bases.

40mm for a Sogarat might be a bit big off the models we have now, but if they get bulkier and compare to Ajax? I could see 40mm.

I had hoped for a pose with a ranged weapon. CC is a messy affair and any PanO player should steer away from it. The pose is otherwise nice, I do hope for an easy assembly of the upper part.

It could very well be just a Sogarat that happens to be posed on a 40mm base. Remember that we have Moblots on 25mm and 40mm bases just because one is lying down.

Well 30mm could be a problem for people like me who buy their bases :p
a dont think micro art studio is gonna make 30 mm base just for few infinity mini ...

 Absolutionis wrote:
It could very well be just a Sogarat that happens to be posed on a 40mm base. Remember that we have Moblots on 25mm and 40mm bases just because one is lying down.

The one on 40mm is actually meant to be a specific profile, that of the "Sapper(HMG)".

The one on 40mm is actually meant to be a specific profile, that of the "Sapper(HMG)".

the highlander cateran is on 40mm base just for scenery purpose

acontecimento sniper regular have the sapper rule but 25mm base

no logic :p

 Sangarn wrote:
Well 30mm could be a problem for people like me who buy their bases :p
a dont think micro art studio is gonna make 30 mm base just for few infinity mini ...

I'll bet that if CB starts using 30mm bases, they'll do just that!

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I would not be surprised too, but 40mm might be a big stretch, maybe we will see the introduction of 30mm base, that would be quite interesting for game balance.

30mm. bases...
I don't see that happening.

This is like the Tyranid Warriors on 50mm bases conversation all over again.

 Sangarn wrote:

The one on 40mm is actually meant to be a specific profile, that of the "Sapper(HMG)".

the highlander cateran is on 40mm base just for scenery purpose

acontecimento sniper regular have the sapper rule but 25mm base

no logic :p

There are 6 profiles(Moblot with HMG, Zouave with HMG and Zouave with Sniper Rifle, Aconticemento Regular Sniper, Haiduk with Guided MSR, Haiduk with MSR) with the Sapper rule currently. Of those 6 profiles, 4 are on 40mm bases rather than 25mm.

You are correct that there is no logic to it, but the complaints about the bizarre basing and the rather loose "Base it on the base the model comes with" rule might prompt a revision.

Personally? I think that standardizing 40mm for Sappers and a rule for "Bulky" models like Ajax or making larger Sogarat on the same 40mm bases would not be unwelcome. Along with a larger base size introduced for TAGs so we can get rid of the dang extensions.

Ajax isn't just bulky though. He's literally a superhuman giant. It makes sense to have him on a 40mm base. He's basically a Dog-Warrior in size.

There's also the Para-Commando and the Sniper Cateran on a 40mm base. They're not bulky. The Para-Commando is an old model, but the Cateran is just an unbulky dude without Sapper.

This Sogarat we're getting on a 40mm base doesn't necessarily mean all Sogarats are supposed to be on 40mm from here on. The new Fuererbach model may just be entrenched for aesthetic purposes.

Ick. I hope it isn't an entrenched pose. I'd rather have him in a braced firing pose. I'd be fine with this one just being a fair bit bigger than the previous Sogarat. They're supposed to be some of the baddest of the bad, so I could see there being some huge guys among them.

From the concept art he is not Ajax sized, so I am skeptical on been in 40mm, that leaves 30 and 35mm I don't think I have seen any 35mm bases so it would probably go on 30mm.

 Kanluwen wrote:
There are 6 profiles(Moblot with HMG, Zouave with HMG and Zouave with Sniper Rifle, Aconticemento Regular Sniper, Haiduk with Guided MSR, Haiduk with MSR) with the Sapper rule currently. Of those 6 profiles, 4 are on 40mm bases rather than 25mm.

You are correct that there is no logic to it, but the complaints about the bizarre basing and the rather loose "Base it on the base the model comes with" rule might prompt a revision.

Personally? I think that standardizing 40mm for Sappers and a rule for "Bulky" models like Ajax or making larger Sogarat on the same 40mm bases would not be unwelcome. Along with a larger base size introduced for TAGs so we can get rid of the dang extensions.

There are models without sapper rule which also use a 40mm base, like the Paracommando with light grenade launcher. The miniature is a minidiorama with the guy picking his gear up. I've read in the Spanish forum that the Sogarat will indeed use a 40mm base. I think that came from the same tournament where they shown the profiles last week. So that probably came from Bostria. Or maybe from Javier Ureña (the digital sculptor). Using bigger bases for TAGs and remotes is a recurrent issue in the forum, and the answer is always the same. The bigger the base, the lest gaps the mini has to maneuver through the scenery.

I would rather use larger bases, TBH.

I've never been a fan of the 'base must fit to move through' rule. I can understand the reasons for doing it, in having a hard rule that is unambiguous, but we always house rule that if it looks like the miniature could physically move through a gap (be it TAG, remote, personnel or whatever) then it can. Otherwise it has got a whole 'Darleks can't go up stairs' feel about it.

Of course the Maghariba, being vaguely spider-like, can fit through much smaller gaps than you might otherwise imagine

We pretty much play it the same way. If it looks like the model should be able to fit through, we allow it. Pretty much for any game. The only caveat is if the model needs to end movement in the gap, then it can't, since you can't physically leave the model in there.

Can't you leave it sideways?

I leave my Climbing Plus 40mm-based Rebots floating in midair all the time evn though they physically cannot stand there.

It's awkward.

For LoS purposes it makes it easier to just not allow them to move through if they can't make it through. It's better than just saying 'lol nope' to some unfortunate model who happened to get a 40mm base like the Cateran sniper, without conflating the issue by having LoS arguments.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Can't you leave it sideways?

I leave my Climbing Plus 40mm-based Rebots floating in midair all the time evn though they physically cannot stand there.

It's awkward.

Yes, you can as part of the climbing plus special rule. An empty base and some blue tac work as a perfect proxy in those moments.

 Pacific wrote:
I've never been a fan of the 'base must fit to move through' rule.

Good thing there's no such rule.

 Pacific wrote:
I've never been a fan of the 'base must fit to move through' rule.

I thought the rule was more like: "If the actual volume of the miniature could realistically fit through, you can ignore the base when squeezing through a tight passage, but may not end your movement in there. You have to pop out on the other side." If only I knew where I read that...
IJW beat me to it...

 IJW wrote:
Good thing there's no such rule.

Except the wide and narrow entrance rule in Paradiso.

Right. There's a rule in Paradiso for passing through mission-specific doorways. That's it.

Otherwise all we've got to go on is an FAQ for transmutation:

- What if a Dogface suffers a wound that causes the transmutation in a place where as Dog-Warrior physically do not fit? (For example, a very narrow hallway, a ventilation duct ...)

The transmuted Dog-Warrior in a place too close is Immobilized. If it can be released or not will depend on the terrain.Plaster walls are not the same as the reinforced walls of a base or a bunker. To address the possibility of his release, players must reach an agreement or leave it to the referee if there is a tournament.

Which I've always taken as meaning you can move the model wherever it could fit in real life, because the model and base wouldn't have fit into the ventilation duct in the first place unless it was absolutely massive.

 IJW wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
I've never been a fan of the 'base must fit to move through' rule.

Good thing there's no such rule.

And.. now I feel like a right dumb-arse!

This is what you get for spending too much time reading interpretation of rules on the internet, not enough time actually reading the rulebook..

This is probably a dumb question, but are the missions in the Dire Foes packs intended for use with the models in the pack only?

 Red Comet wrote:
This is probably a dumb question, but are the missions in the Dire Foes packs intended for use with the models in the pack only?

Models in the pack plus a 300pt list each. It's basically 300pt list + character vs 300pt list + character with the civilian being the objective in some way.

As a curiosity, the flavor for the Aleph vs. Nomads mission states that they're working together. How does that work?

maybe they give you a premade list of CA units to oppose them?

 -Loki- wrote:

 Red Comet wrote:
This is probably a dumb question, but are the missions in the Dire Foes packs intended for use with the models in the pack only?

Models in the pack plus a 300pt list each. It's basically 300pt list + character vs 300pt list + character with the civilian being the objective in some way.

That sounds pretty interesting. Thanks for the info!

 Barzam wrote:
maybe they give you a premade list of CA units to oppose them?

Or something similar to Paradiso 301.