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**-Loki-**

Knight wrote:
At the moment I wish Bolts were on the power level of Wildcats and Sekban (Haris and higher willpower doctor) but all we have in response is wait and see, like Bipandra. It is getting irritating and frustrating, especially with the new formats where competition is tough and expectations are high.

The problem there is you're expecting things the faction doesn't do - high willpower (that's Haqqislams area) and effective doctors in combat units. That's like me saying 'gee, I wish my Haqqislam were better shots'. Lower WIP, higher BS was built into PanO, just like lower BS, higher WIP was built into Haqqislam. And you know what? I would gladly take a Bolt hacker over the other MI hackers we have available, because BTS -6 on a defensive hacker, even one that is a lower WIP, is plenty nice. And a doctor in a combat unit is, again, a Haqqislam thing outside of a few exceptions (I think, I don't think I've seen a doctor in a combat unit outside of Haqq, not counting Kaplans as they're Mercs).

I mean, I might as well wish for the TAG selection PanO gets, or the HI selection Yu Jing gets, for Haqqislam. Factions have weaknesses, and PanO's is average WIP outside of select few units and, like most other factions, Paramedics at best in combat units.

**Red Harvest**

Actually Kaplans are vanilla Haqq too (AVA2) and QK (AVA5). My guess is that you are more likely to see them fielded this way then as a mercenary force...at least until Mercs become tournament legal.

BTS -6 on a WIP 12 is quite good, better than BTS -3 on a WIP14 (Barid or Custodier) and given the usual HI and TAG hijinks in NCA, a cheap defensive hacker is very nice. Now, nicer than the Kamau for an extra 3 points? The boarding shotgun and E/M grenade load-out is, hmm, interesting.

**-Loki-**

Tournament legality is why I didn't count them outside of Haqqislam, since he's talking about ITS effectiveness.

**Killionaire**

They're not nicer than a Kamau.
Kamau: 16 pts, Faster Movement, same BTS, same BS, higher WP, cheaper special weapon costs. Gimmicky aquatic terrain rule.
Bolt: 21 pts, Slower movement, 1 higher armor, more expensive weapon costs, weird gimmicky special bio rule.

Their sole advantage for that substantial jump is the 1 higher armor... which in actual infinity terms, means almost nothing.

Immunity to shock means pretty much nothing. Nobody takes doctors, as they're not only a major gamble (especially in PanO) but take WAY too many orders to use to get to the targets to doctor them up.

**Red Harvest**

-Loki- wrote:
Tournament legality is why I didn't count them outside of Haqqislam, since he's talking about ITS effectiveness.

Ah. Misread your response.

**PsychoticStorm**

Killionaire wrote:

Immunity to shock means pretty much nothing. Nobody takes doctors, as they're not only a major gamble (especially in PanO) but take WAY too many orders to use to get to the targets to doctor them up.

Immunity to shock and viral (and EM grenades and better PH) which is not few advantages depending on the situation and doctors I suppose comes to the local group and meta, but for ITS they can be more than valuable.

**Knight**

-Loki- wrote:
Knight wrote:
At the moment I wish Bolts were on the power level of Wildcats and Sekban (Haris and higher willpower doctor) but all we have in response is wait and see, like Bipandra. It is getting irritating and frustrating, especially with the new formats where competition is tough and expectations are high.

The problem there is you're expecting things the faction doesn't do - high willpower (that's Haqqislams area) and effective doctors in combat units.

Sadly, you have misunderstood me. Haris and a good willpower doctor still give certain appeal to Sekban in my book, even, if they suffer from internal balance and Haqqislam players opting to go with alternative choices. Wildcats are in a similar situation, where people prefer to go with alternatives in the Nomad general force. However a defensive hacker still offers something minor, if only minor alternative.

Bolts at the moment have no specific niche or area where there wouldn't be an alternative that does their roll better. If they came with an engineer option and perhaps more interesting load out I could see some long term interest to experiment with rather than being simply miniatures I like. Boarding shotgun with e/m grenades that come with PH 11 isn't much of an alternative choice when compared to Kamau that are faster, higher willpower and carry more interesting weapons. Bioimmunity is not much appealing to me, however I am willing to bet that it shall be among Haqqislam additional privileges when the expansion finally comes and it will be far more synergistic than it will be in PanOceania where only Bipandra might offer certain exception.

**Sangarn**

no PanO player play doctor (bipandra will not change that ...), you will never spend order to save an weak MI ... bio immunity is close to useless, the only use is VS viral that is used only by two faction

as for the bolt hacker, for me the EM grenade is realy a joke, if you have ever play infinity, you know that grenade can goes ANYWHERE

**IJW**

Ariadna (especially MRRF), Haqqislam (especially Hassassins), Tohaa and sometimes Nomads/Bakunin via the Chimera. Although if the Chimera has reached combat, her Viral CCW is the least of your worries...

Yes, the grenade can go anywhere, but even with Speculatie Shot 'round' a corner a linked Bolt will be on PH11 and generally has a better chance of shrugging off a missed shot than the target would.

EDIT

Sangarn wrote:
no PanO player play doctor (bipandra will not change that ...), you will never spend order to save an weak MI

Who cares if it's an MI, if it's the model with a Spitfire, ML or MSR in the right place then a 60% chance of getting the model back up is well worth spending 1-2 Order on. Let alone a single Order for a 40% chance of the linked Paramedic fixing them.

**Kanluwen**

Bostria made a bigger post on the Spanish forums about the Bolts and Pierzasty was kind enough to translate it.

Bostria wrote:I see some commotion on the forums concerning the profiles and I think you could use some information.

I am particularly concerned that there are people saying that the profile does not take the opportunity of Bolts blister that will only be available for 3 months.

Well, now that no one hears us...

Do you remember when the Holoprojector rule came out, or the Kuang Shi Control Device, back in 2008? Do you remember the mysterious Spitfire when we released the current starter for Yu Jing? That strange mention of “linked troops” months before the release of Human Sphere?

Something is happening .

There is a book in the making, and the rules are in packages. And then there is the ITS 2014, which involves many players and which requires a balanced game.

There are new rules in the profiles of the books to come, but with those elements introduced right now the ITS would be confusing and incomplete. In a moment, an army is better because there is a new thing another player has not expected. Now with so many people planning for "optimal / suboptimal" a more competitive environment it would be more severe.

The Drop Bears of NeoTerra Bolts are an example. These assumed mine launchers are actually somewhat more complicated than has been said and part of something broader, a set of rules that covers more issues. It's the material for the next book.

The same way like the Kuang Shi or “linked troops” were rules and profiles that had more meaning to someone who’s read Human Sphere" than to someone who only read occasional extracts in a PDF.

In its day, the Hassassin Lasiq (Viral Sniper for only one SWC and only one BTS roll) had a profile different to the one that ended up in the Human Sphere, and so did the Kempeitai (only combi rifle with Chain of Command), Tomcats (no Zondcats!), etc., in part thanks to community feedback. That always helps.

The profile of Neoterra Bolts that is now available is not the same once you get the book with all its rules and have to face ITS 2015.

This I say this because the opportunity to buy the separate blister of Neoterra Bolts for that price (which seems more from 2005 than 2014) is now. Now Tarik costs more than the 3 Neoterra Bolts, it’s crazy.

Oh no! I’m not here to sell you anything! CB and I would both prefer you to buy the starter box instead of that bargain price blister.

Regards

**Alpharius**

Pretty much what we expected - thanks for posting this Kan!

**Sangarn**

the good new is that we will have the mine laucher

(and bolt will be buff but this was obvious)

**Kanluwen**

First of the new previews.

Daturazi incoming!

**Pacific**

Did he say 'Drop Bears'? Sounds intriguing!

People seem quite sure that this is the Daturazi Witch Soldiers, here are the rules for anyone who is unaware (from the vanilla list)

Coma is a pretty cool ability, these guys look like they will be CC monsters...

**Alpharius**

So they're getting a re-do, ala Morat Vanguard Infantry?

**Splod**

Ooh, Datz eh? Hopefully my old ones won't be too out of scale... Although I suspect I'll get multiples of the new kit anyway /sigh

**Kanluwen**

Alpharius wrote:
So they're getting a re-do, ala Morat Vanguard Infantry?

The Morat Vanguard Infantry, Suryats, Daturazi and the other "dated" Morat sculpts were supposed to get redone.

**Pacific**

Hopefully the Rasyats and Zarats won't be replaced - I love those miniatures!

Spoiler:

**Alpharius**

They look like they fit pretty well in the 'newer style' for the M.A.F., so I think they're 'safe'!

**Bolognesus**

Buy them all now, just in case!

**Red Harvest**

More monkey? Well, I suppose it's about time.

But that Bostria quote, he mentions, "the book with all its rules and have to face ITS 2015", so does that mean the new rulebook is coming out before then... sometime between now and December? A GenCon release? I was under the impression it was a 2015-2016 release.

**Kanluwen**

Red Harvest wrote:
More monkey? Well, I suppose it's about time.

But that Bostria quote, he mentions, "the book with all its rules and have to face ITS 2015", so does that mean the new rulebook is coming out before then... sometime between now and December? A GenCon release? I was under the impression it was a 2015-2016 release.

ITS 2015 won't probably start until February or March 2015, so there's room.

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By the way, here's the Daturazi Concept Art:

**Baiyuan**

I assume they'll be aiming for a similar release date like with Paradiso. Late autumn I guess.

**Pacific**

Geckos are now up for pre-order at a couple of UK vendors, with release date as 22nd March

Wayland have dropped their price, now £35 which is the same as Arcane Miniatures, although couldn't anyone else selling them yet.

**Kanluwen**

Pacific wrote:Hopefully the Rasyats and Zarats won't be replaced - I love those miniatures!

Spoiler:

I didn't see this post yesterday or this morning, so I'll snag it now.

I think Rasyats might get redone, but I do not know in regards to Zerats. The models that I know for sure are getting resculpts are the Suryats(they're supposed to get a boxed set in fact, as they got a bit of a "fluff revamp" in Paradiso with the Suryats ditching their heavier armor for medium styled armor instead), Vanguards, Daturazi, and potentially the other Sogarat profile.

Baiyuan wrote:I assume they'll be aiming for a similar release date like with Paradiso. Late autumn I guess.

Ehh...I think December/January.

**Barzam**

I can't say I ever liked the existing Suryats, so I'm not sad to see them go. They're going to be changed to MI though? Zerats both have fairly recent sculpts I thought, so I don't see any reason for them to get changed. Hopefully the Yaogats will stay the same a little while longer. I really like their designs.

**Pacific**

The Suryats have the old-style faces, so wouldn't be surprised at all if they are changed. Definitely excited to see what the new style will be in light of the changes to the Morats.

Thanks for the info on the Rasyat Kan, will have to pick some of those up in the event that they do get replaced!

**IJW**

Pacific wrote:
Geckos are now up for pre-order at a couple of UK vendors, with release date as 22nd March

Wayland have dropped their price, now £35 which is the same as Arcane Miniatures, although couldn't anyone else selling them yet.

Bear in mind that some of us refuse to sell models we don't physically have in stock.

**Red Harvest**

IJW wrote:
Pacific wrote:
Geckos are now up for pre-order at a couple of UK vendors, with release date as 22nd March

Wayland have dropped their price, now £35 which is the same as Arcane Miniatures, although couldn't anyone else selling them yet.

Bear in mind that some of us refuse to sell models we don't physically have in stock.

Just curious, what minis sell best for you-- or is that secret info? I suspect the Gecko will be very popular. But it won't be here in the US until the first week of April I think.

**IJW**

Dire Foes have done surprisingly well. The other big recent seller has been the Morat Starter, no surprise there.