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Considering the pent up demand for Morat stuff, no, no surprise. Good to hear about the Dire Foes to. I liked the idea.

Daturazi's badly need a resculpt, theyre virtually the same as the old vanguard infantry, and the chain rifle guy is particularly poor.


Doesn't stop me using them, of course. They're MONSTERS on the tabletop. Most Aleph characters wet their pants rather than fight them.

Dire foes doing well is good. I liked the concept. Hopefully they do more with it later.

So if one were to start a morat force, what models do we think are safe from potential resculpts?

Aside from the Morat Aggression Box, obviously.

 cincydooley wrote:
So if one were to start a nomad force, what models do we think are safe from potential resculpts?

Aside from the Morat Aggression Box, obviously.

Nomads or Combined Army? The Morat Aggression Force is Combined Army not Nomads.

In regards to Nomads, the new Corregidor(2013 and 2014) sculpts are safe...that's pretty much it. The entire range is being overhauled for Corregidor.

Haha. I meant morat. Whoops.

It looks like the new sogorat is diff than the one with the HMG.

The Treitak SpecOps is okay, the Raicho is okay, the Zerats should be okay, the Kurgat and Yaogat should be okay.

The Sogarat with HMG is really similar to the new one with Feuerbach, just on a 25mm base rather than 40mm.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The Treitak SpecOps is okay, the Raicho is okay, the Zerats should be okay, the Kurgat and Yaogat should be okay.

The Sogarat with HMG is really similar to the new one with Feuerbach, just on a 25mm base rather than 40mm.

Excellent. I'll start there!

Also Pretas/Gakis are okay, as they've obviously already had their resculpt.

Looks like with the dire foes box, the morat Aggression force, and a Preta or Gaki you can make a nice neat 200 point force.

May start there.

You don't even need the Dire Foes box. Proxy one Vanguard as a Vanguard LGL, one as a paramedic and one as an FO, use the Sogorat Feurbach as your Lt, add the Hungries box, and it's 200pts/3SWC. Link the Oznat and Hungries and you've got 10 regular orders.

Safe: Zerats, Rasyats, Yaogats, Hungries, Sogarats, Raicho, Treitak should all be safe... along with the starter pack and the various remotes.

Borderline: Kurgats, although they're more in line with new designs than old designs.

Unsafe: Daturazi (confirmed) and Suryats.

Actually I wouldn't say that the remotes are safe at all. They're likely redesigning the Exrah Concordat and those remotes really fit with that aesthetic.

Whuh, what remotes? The medtech/slave drones or the q/r/t/m-drones? Aren't both EI rather than exrah (and how do they fit the exrah aesthetic, even?)

Yeah, Drones are all EI/Ur Nationalist. I can't see them being redesigned based on the Exrah.

That doesn't meant they couldn't do with a redesign, but I'd expect that to happen alongside the EI sectorial, along with the original Charontid.

Okay cool. I really like some of the morat models and can't wait to get some paint on them! Thanks ya'll!

Those drones are awesome! If they actually risk a redesign that might be a good excuse to get the last 2 (of eight) I need for full ava, though.

...orig Charontid is fair game. That thing is pretty bad compared to pretty much every other EI model.

Redesigning the Exrah? They could use it. The Exrah are poor sellers because of the units? or the sculpts?

A little OT. Cincydooley, you do know of the gaming store Art of War on Beechmont Ave right? I hear some play Infinity there. Mentioned just in case you don't know.

 Micky wrote:
Daturazi's badly need a resculpt, theyre virtually the same as the old vanguard infantry, and the chain rifle guy is particularly poor.


Doesn't stop me using them, of course. They're MONSTERS on the tabletop. Most Aleph characters wet their pants rather than fight them.

Agree on the resculpt, I love the idea of datz but barely use them because they're so ugly

How do you make them MONSTERS on the table though? Mimetism is cool, PH17 smoke dodge is cool, but a chain rifle is a chain rifle and the only way to make them good in melee is to buy the combi/EXP combo for twice the price...

Would love for new Exrah. The Iskallers looks stupid and the Void has crappy rules

 Dakkamite wrote:

How do you make them MONSTERS on the table though? Mimetism is cool, PH17 smoke dodge is cool, but a chain rifle is a chain rifle and the only way to make them good in melee is to buy the combi/EXP combo for twice the price...

Martial Arts 4 with Shock CCW standard. Shock ignores no-wound incap, MA4 pretty much guarentees hitting before the opponent and nullifying any bonuses they might have inc. 6th Sense, so you can get up behind them and get a free hit especially if they're in smoke, and PH14 makes the armour save that much harder to get. And all for 14 points.


Re: Exrah.... its a combination of both poor rules and bad sculpts. Their tabletop role is borderline - sure they get good access to some good firepower, and have visors to improve this, but they're far too fragile for the points you pay, and its their fragility that makes them so difficult to use for anything besides long range fire support (despite them all having shotguns)

 Red Harvest wrote:
Redesigning the Exrah? They could use it. The Exrah are poor sellers because of the units? or the sculpts?

Probably a lot of things. The sculpts are hit or miss. I like the Caskuda and the Iskaller, but the Operators aren't very good. The studio paintjobs are all over the place too - every model looks different, some more organic than others. A cohesive paint scheme wouldn't hurt. Then the profiles themselves - two MI, only one of which is popular for a single weapon option, one AD unit that isn't super popular and one of the most expensive TAGs in the game (though with good reason).

If they redesigned them but don't want to go the full sectorial route, they should at least give them a couple of other units. A light infantry and maybe a Skirmisher, so you could run a pure Exrah list if you really wanted to without needing a sectorial.

Maybe it's just me, but I actually like the old Charontid more than the newer one. I like the more mechanical look to them. I'm probably alone in that opinion though.

Exrah, yeah. They really need to be redone. Need to be more buggy. Plus, I want an Exrah combat lawyer.

I don't see any sort of biological look to the new Charontid...

I think its just the vast difference in paintjob between the two.

That too. Stuff from first edition suffers from 2nd edition 40k syndrome in regards to the painting.

 Micky wrote:
Re: Exrah.... its a combination of both poor rules and bad sculpts. Their tabletop role is borderline - sure they get good access to some good firepower, and have visors to improve this, but they're far too fragile for the points you pay, and its their fragility that makes them so difficult to use for anything besides long range fire support (despite them all having shotguns)

This. Although the Vector HMG sees a lot of use in our local because the jumping plus MSV2 works so well for sneak attacks through smoke or sniping link team specialists. Pretty much every game against CA, one has to devote half one's mobile offense to killing the stupid jumping bug. So that guy is probably worth his points.

I'd like to see the other Exrah units' utility match the cost (despite the fragility, which makes them more interesting). Like adding a doc/engineer/medic option to the Iskaller AD guy, which would make him stand out against the other CA AD troops (they do already have a hacker... at 47 points, ouch!).

As for the Void operator, I just have a feeling that Zero-G is going to come up in future scenarios, so maybe he doesn't need that much fixing. He's just kinda specialized, like Sekbans might turn out to be in boarding actions & space scenarios. Again more Specialist options would make the unit way more attractive and not unbalanced: Super-jump on Specialists is always really useful, and they're still very expensive and fragile.

So we've got a TAG of some kind...only hint is that there seems to be a bit of blue on the ground which suggests it might be PanOceania. The pose looks very similar to the Seraph's pose in the art book so it might be that.
The blob at the front right looks to be Tohaa with a cloak of some kind. Could be Gao-Rael or Clipsos.
The four Combined Army models in the back are the Daturazi
The way back left next to the cell phone(over top of the pot of Blazing Orange) is hard to decipher. There's something big and bulky, but looks like it's still on a 25mm base. I can't quite decipher what the base is which is irksome for me. It could be Haqqislam or it could be Ariadna.
Next to it seems to be two more models of some kind but with no real way to figure out what they are.

Has anyone tried zooming in to the screen of the Samsung phone, and looked at the reflection Blade Runner style?

Nope, Angel actually keeps his phone dirty enough so it won't reflect.

The reflections are of the paint pots :(

It had better be Toni. Just sayin'.

I have no clue about the rest.