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I like the design of the cat! And also that it will drive people nuts trying to kill it in a game, a pedestal previously proudly occupied by the original Daktari miniature

 JOHIRA wrote:

Those push the model past silly and square into creepy territory. I think the only way I could use that model is if the shoulder pads don't come molded onto the torso so I can file off the completely unnecessary human boobs on a robot cat.

Is that flag next to your name accurate Johira? Cause having lived for some time in asia, I am stunned that you could find something like that weird in comparison to a lot of the other stuff that is spawned in the far east!

 Pacific wrote:
Pretty funny how many people are put-off by the chest design on the cat - have to say I didn't even notice it until it was pointed out.

All I will say is, this is CB sticking to the anime influences of Infinity, and if you have been following the game for more than a few months you shouldn't be surprised by it.

But I'm sure you could flatten the chest, put a screaming angry robot head on the top, and replace the hands with missile launchers if that is more your thing.

"Because anime" is not an explanation, it's an excuse. Nobody is saying they have to make it "grimdark" but at the very least it could have--again--been a better Corregidor design. The Zondcat is exclusive to Corregidor, built by Corregidor technicians, and only employed by Corregidor's "Tomcat" emergency response team.

Adding anthropomorphic features and weird bits of unnecessary personalization is Bakunin, not Corregidor.


Anyways, the Tomcat Doctor/Zondcat have been confirmed for a blister release lasting 3 months.

For me it's the face (Moriarty's was better - certainly more subtle) and the height. It looks less like a remote and more like someone from Bakunin who didn't think that cat girl was enough. She had to out-do all her friends and go for the full body replacement, cyber kitty model!

 Siygess wrote:
For me it's the face (Moriarty's was better - certainly more subtle) and the height. It looks less like a remote and more like someone from Bakunin who didn't think that cat girl was enough. She had to out-do all her friends and go for the full body replacement, cyber kitty model!

This is Vaudeville all over.... but that's the thing. Vaudeville is on Bakunin, not Corregidor. =S

If you want to put it that way, a cute anthropomorphic proxy for a doctor or an engineer from a unit that is as much a combat unit as is emergency response and internal poster boys of Coegidor fighting force, sounds like a good design choice.

I'd be tempted to grab it as a sidekick for my Daktari, but yeah. Maybe leaving off the jet thrusters.

 Micky wrote:
I'd be tempted to grab it as a sidekick for my Daktari, but yeah. Maybe leaving off the jet thrusters.

Okay, THAT is a great idea.

And honestly if the top fans are removed the lower two ain't so bad.

As for the blister release: That right there is why CB is AWESOME. I'm so stoked not to have to buy the whole box! I want the doc enough that I'll take the weird zondcat on as a conversion project. That'd leave the head free for a Bakunin conversion or something. Morlock in a freaky cat mask anyone?

I held off on buying Datz after I saw the morat starter box... absolutely worth it

I'm wondering though, because I've never seen painted Yaogats IRL, do they fit the new morat theme? Or do they look out of place / are at risk of resculpt? Ditto on the Zerats, and on the Raicho, which looks a little goofy in its gallery pics, would it look good with a bunch of datz swarming around it?

Then again I'll probably use the new Vanguards as Yaogats, because when the hell does anyone use vanguards?

 Knight wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
I didn't say martial art - I said a violent martial race. As in a violent warlike race.

I was agreeing with you while simultaneously explaining why I have no interest. Though please do not think I would have liked them any better in over romanticised eastern stances.

Gotya. I was thrown off by the comment of 'martial with no art', which I took to mean they should look like martial artists.

I actually like the Zondcat. I think it's going to be the Nasmat I use for Cordelia. I was going to use a Yudbot, which was the most adorable helperbot until now, but that thing just trumps it.


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 Dakkamite wrote:
I held off on buying Datz after I saw the morat starter box... absolutely worth it

I'm wondering though, because I've never seen painted Yaogats IRL, do they fit the new morat theme? Or do they look out of place / are at risk of resculpt? Ditto on the Zerats, and on the Raicho, which looks a little goofy in its gallery pics, would it look good with a bunch of datz swarming around it?

I'd say Zerats are safe. Anyats armour looks pretty similar, so they wouldn't change much even if they got a resculpt.

The Raicho is absolutely 100% safe. Given how close it was released to the starter, they absolutely had the new aesthetic nailed down when they made it.

The models I'd say definitely aren't safe are anything with an exposed face, which seem to be the biggest difference between old and new, with exception of the Treitek spec op. Although it has the odd no-bottom-lip-face, it also has the combed back hair rather than the finger-in-powerpoint look.

I really like the old morats and the new ones are pretty cool too but... was there any reason that the Morats had to be given humanoid feet? Or at least why it looks like they have human feet due to their shoes/boots?

 SaintTom wrote:
I really like the old morats and the new ones are pretty cool too but... was there any reason that the Morats had to be given humanoid feet? Or at least why it looks like they have human feet due to their shoes/boots?

Because they're overall humanoid? I don't know why it's an issue. Both old and new had human-like feet. It's just how CB designed them, there doesn't have to be a specific reason.

 -Loki- wrote:

 SaintTom wrote:
I really like the old morats and the new ones are pretty cool too but... was there any reason that the Morats had to be given humanoid feet? Or at least why it looks like they have human feet due to their shoes/boots?

Because they're overall humanoid? I don't know why it's an issue. Both old and new had human-like feet. It's just how CB designed them, there doesn't have to be a specific reason.

Well the old ones had those 3 kind of toes instead of just the normal feet thing. But mainly I only care about it since its one other thing that made them alien but not just the usual human, but a bit messed up kind of creature. Idk, its really just the boots that make me dislike it.

 SaintTom wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 SaintTom wrote:
I really like the old morats and the new ones are pretty cool too but... was there any reason that the Morats had to be given humanoid feet? Or at least why it looks like they have human feet due to their shoes/boots?

Because they're overall humanoid? I don't know why it's an issue. Both old and new had human-like feet. It's just how CB designed them, there doesn't have to be a specific reason.

Well the old ones had those 3 kind of toes instead of just the normal feet thing. But mainly I only care about it since its one other thing that made them alien but not just the usual human, but a bit messed up kind of creature. Idk, its really just the boots that make me dislike it.

Looking at them further, it depended on the model. The old Vanguard HMG has regular boots while the rifle Vanguard has 3 toed boots. The Old Sogorat has an enclosed boot with a little bit of a 3 segmentation at the bottom. The Kurgats differed amongst the unit - the Autocannon has a regular boot but 3 armour plates on top, while the MK12 had 3 visible toes. The Zerats even differed, with one having a 3 toed boot, and the other having four visible toes.

Seems CB just wanted to unify some things. Note that the Oznat has the Zerat style 4 toes visible. I get the feeling that CB are trying to fix the main issue the Combined Army range has, which is a lack of unifying designs even amongst units of the same race. Especially a militaristic race like the Morat.

 -Loki- wrote:

 SaintTom wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 SaintTom wrote:
I really like the old morats and the new ones are pretty cool too but... was there any reason that the Morats had to be given humanoid feet? Or at least why it looks like they have human feet due to their shoes/boots?

Because they're overall humanoid? I don't know why it's an issue. Both old and new had human-like feet. It's just how CB designed them, there doesn't have to be a specific reason.

Well the old ones had those 3 kind of toes instead of just the normal feet thing. But mainly I only care about it since its one other thing that made them alien but not just the usual human, but a bit messed up kind of creature. Idk, its really just the boots that make me dislike it.

Looking at them further, it depended on the model. The old Vanguard HMG has regular boots while the rifle Vanguard has 3 toed boots. The Old Sogorat has an enclosed boot with a little bit of a 3 segmentation at the bottom. The Kurgats differed amongst the unit - the Autocannon has a regular boot but 3 armour plates on top, while the MK12 had 3 visible toes. The Zerats even differed, with one having a 3 toed boot, and the other having four visible toes.

Seems CB just wanted to unify some things. Note that the Oznat has the Zerat style 4 toes visible. I get the feeling that CB are trying to fix the main issue the Combined Army range has, which is a lack of unifying designs even amongst units of the same race. Especially a militaristic race like the Morat.

Ah ok, that certainly sets things in the proper light. I had always assumed the feet were the same from the Vanguard models and never really noticed much on their feet for other models.

Er, I count three toes.


I like the new Daturazi. They look much better than the weirdly posed old ones. They look a lot like the Markaul though.

Tomcats are looking prett ace too. I actually kind of like Boobie Kitty. If you think about it, her design does kind of make sense. I mean, these are supposed to be the public face of the Nomads. They're going to want to have an attention grabbing mascot that can appeal to younger demographics. besides, would you rather have Boobie Kitty pulling you out of a wreck, or a T-800?

I'm not sure if this steals the monikor of 'boobie kittie' from these though..

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Pretty funny how many people are put-off by the chest design on the cat - have to say I didn't even notice it until it was pointed out.

All I will say is, this is CB sticking to the anime influences of Infinity, and if you have been following the game for more than a few months you shouldn't be surprised by it.

But I'm sure you could flatten the chest, put a screaming angry robot head on the top, and replace the hands with missile launchers if that is more your thing.

"Because anime" is not an explanation, it's an excuse. Nobody is saying they have to make it "grimdark" but at the very least it could have--again--been a better Corregidor design. The Zondcat is exclusive to Corregidor, built by Corregidor technicians, and only employed by Corregidor's "Tomcat" emergency response team.

Adding anthropomorphic features and weird bits of unnecessary personalization is Bakunin, not Corregidor.

Kan, I was never, ever, trying to convince you. Really I was just joking that some posters seem to get nervous and shifty if any miniature comes along that doesn't resemble the leads of Gears of War.

Personally I don't think there is anything fundamentally wrong with the design, but you could always sub in the Moriarty miniature if you want something with a different style.

I think the 3 toed boots are called tridactyl boots? I vaguely recall seeing that somewhere.

The problem with the zondcat is not in the design: It just seems out of place in Corregidor. It does not look like it is suitable for entertaining/propagandizing children...except on/in Bakunin. CB needed cute and menacing for the zondcat, IMHO, if that is possible. It would be perfect as the (either) daktari's or clockmaker's helper-bot.

But it's here. So, moving on. These new Morat releases, are they just stuff that CB is getting around too, or does CB have plans to feature the Morats more prominently in the next book/storyline advancement and this spate of releases is foreshadowing?

Morats are getting attention because they 'rebooted' their overall design. I'd say CA in general are going to be a focus in new books, considering the way the fluff is going.

Vain wrote:
"Clear cast Cutter for my PanOceania team.. base needs painting yet"
They havent mentioned if it was going to be publicly available or just for them.

I don't think they will sell recasts of Micro Art and Corvus Belli products.

SaintTom wrote:I really like the old morats and the new ones are pretty cool too but... was there any reason that the Morats had to be given humanoid feet? Or at least why it looks like they have human feet due to their shoes/boots?

I also can't get used to the new and completely different Morat design. The old ones had a unique style. Now they are just human bodybuilders with tiny Santa heads, not aliens. Boring. How does it unify an army, when old and new Morat don't fit together?

As the old become obsolete, only the new ones are relevant, silly. ^^ Design retcon ftw!

The Cutter TO marker is cool, but has a rather limited use potential.

When it is initially in TO, there's no way you'd want to use that marker and 'give it away', and then once it is revealed, you might as well just use the actual model.

I suppose you could use the Clear TO version as long as its TO is active and still functioning, and then the regular model once/if the TO gets EMP'd or Burnt or something?

 Kroothawk wrote:

Vain wrote:
"Clear cast Cutter for my PanOceania team.. base needs painting yet"
They havent mentioned if it was going to be publicly available or just for them.

I don't think they will sell recasts of Micro Art and Corvus Belli products.

You're aware that Micro Arts actually was given a recast of a PanOceania TAG to incorporate into one of their sets of bases right?
Urban Fight Ellipse 120mm has a wrecked Cutter.
Then you've got the "Urban Fight 40mm" base set which has a Cutter hand, a wrecked PanO remote, a ditched set of Ariadna gear(an Ojotnik rifle from a Scout on one base and a bag from a Metro with a DEP stacked on top of it) all cast into the bases.

Corvus Belli is very different when it comes to things like that and how much support they give to their partners. AW has seemingly signed some kind of deal with Corvus Belli which we're not going to get details of until April.

 Kanluwen wrote:
You're aware that Micro Arts actually was given a recast of a PanOceania TAG to incorporate into one of their sets of bases right?
Urban Fight Ellipse 120mm has a wrecked Cutter.
Then you've got the "Urban Fight 40mm" base set which has a Cutter hand, a wrecked PanO remote, a ditched set of Ariadna gear(an Ojotnik rifle from a Scout on one base and a bag from a Metro with a DEP stacked on top of it) all cast into the bases.

Corvus Belli is very different when it comes to things like that and how much support they give to their partners. AW has seemingly signed some kind of deal with Corvus Belli which we're not going to get details of until April.

And all of this is why Infinity has the absolutely best supplies, templates, and markers for any game on the market. They work with those partners, and have mulitple partners, which forces all of them to step the game up.

I love it, but in some ways it frustrates me because all I can think is, "man, can you imagine if GW would partner with Micro Art or Warsenal and allow them to make templates and stuff so they could focus on what they do best (miniatures)".

Yes it's brilliant the way that CB pulls in other company's products and gives them 'official' product status. Think they've acquired a lot of talent that way, and it's obviously a mutually beneficial arrangement.

 Alpharius wrote:
The Cutter TO marker is cool, but has a rather limited use potential.

When it is initially in TO, there's no way you'd want to use that marker and 'give it away', and then once it is revealed, you might as well just use the actual model.

I suppose you could use the Clear TO version as long as its TO is active and still functioning, and then the regular model once/if the TO gets EMP'd or Burnt or something?

You can go back into camo-mode though, after reveal. After which it would be pretty cool to use that.

Also, if you're playing in a smaller group, only have one TO marker and your regular opponent knows that it's a TAG working its way around the flank towards you. Well, why not?

Finally, it looks immensely cool!

No doubt about it - it is very cool!

I'd probably buy one if they become available - and with the rumored upcoming/impending 'coziness' between CB and AW, who knows!

 Kroothawk wrote:
I also can't get used to the new and completely different Morat design. The old ones had a unique style. Now they are just human bodybuilders with tiny Santa heads, not aliens. Boring. How does it unify an army, when old and new Morat don't fit together?

Because right now there's two different designs. The new designs, which they are now releasing, and the old designs, which they are not. When they are finished, everything on the shelf for Morats will be new designs.

Morat players act as if this is the first time this has happened and CB are personally pissing in their coffee. There's plenty of models in different ranges with old and new models. Just in Haqqislam - Djanbazan, Jannisaries and Ghulam all have old and new models on the shelf. Djanbazan have 4 available models - 2 are old (rifle and HMG), 2 are new (hacker and sniper). Jannisaries have 2 models available - 1 is new (rifle), 1 is old (HMG). Ghulam have 7 models available - 4 are new (rifles and doctor), 3 are old (panzerfaust, hacker, HMG). Personally, I have old Ghulam, all but the HMG, and he's on my shopping list soon. The Missile Launcher and Sniper Rifle never got released, and I'll never get them to match my Ghulam now.

We know Khanate and Caliphate sectorials are going to come with updated models. Anyone with a Khawarij is going to wind up with an outdated model when the rumoured link box is released. Anyone with Kum bikers are going to have a whole set of outdated bikes when the confirmed resculpts are released.

The difference is Morats seem to be getting adequate attention from Corvus Belli. They appear to have dedicated themselves to updating the Morat range to modern conventions - better sculpts, and as many profiles available in boxes as possible.

I recall reading a comment by Bostria during the whole 'no 3rd party advertising fracas' ion the official forums that CB had considered making terrain, but decided that they lacked the resources to do it right, and so sought out partners who could, or something to that effect. Seems like they made a wise decision, eh? Get a good diverse range of stuff plastic, acrylic mdf...

I am quite curious about the AW matter too. Antenocitis makes really good stuff, and they've got some very cool dropships in the works. Start saving now folks.

 -Loki- wrote:
They appear to have dedicated themselves to updating the Morat range to modern conventions - better sculpts, and as many profiles available in boxes as possible.

Making all Aliens look just like humans with a different hairdo is silly and boring. Was okay in the 60s with the first Star Trek series, but is ridiculous today. The specialty of the Combined is that they combine different alien species. Taking that away is making the faction bland. Esp. as the only other Alien faction also looks just like humans. And the tiny Morat heads and super bodybuilder bodies don't make them better sculpts either.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
They appear to have dedicated themselves to updating the Morat range to modern conventions - better sculpts, and as many profiles available in boxes as possible.

Making all Aliens look just like humans with a different hairdo is silly and boring. Was okay in the 60s with the first Star Trek series, but is ridiculous today. The specialty of the Combined is that they combine different alien species. Taking that away is making the faction bland. Esp. as the only other Alien faction also looks just like humans. And the tiny Morat heads and super bodybuilder bodies don't make them better sculpts either.

Except that if you read CB's intro for the Combined Army, they said that they endeavoured to make them not so alien that they're unsympathetic to people who wanted to play them.

Morats already were pretty much humans with weird hair. The faces are more of a symptom of early CB not being particularly good at doing faces at all, as you can see on every early sculpt of both human and alien. The fact they've given them such a radical change either means they were unhappy with the result, or this is closer to their original vision.

I'm not trying to convince you they're better. I think they are, but you obviously don't. All I'm saying is there's a reason they've done this. They didn't wake up one morning and decide 'lets piss off every Morat player'. They woke up one morning, looked at the Morats, and decided 'we can do better'. As with any redesign, there's going to be fans of the old. And, personally, these Morats fit the fluff far better. They look powerful, aggressive and mean. The old Morats just looked silly.

Kroot, I would disagree with practically everything you have said there, other than perhaps the hairdos in 60's Star Trek looking OK. They do.

Honestly, the 'I dislike everything' comments might find some leverage in the Mantic or IG threads, but you're not going to get very much mileage out of it here mate. The character of the miniatures has changed, not been lost. If anything it is far more in keeping with what you read about in the background, and matches the modern Infinity aesthetic.

The Combined Army is meant to be the most terrible threat humanity has ever faced, and at the point in the background the game has reached, shows every sign of stomping the earthlings flat before subsuming them into their own empire. The miniatures should look threatening and powerful - I think they've achieved that with the new sculpts, and the fact that the new starter set is selling very well has to make you think that a lot of people agree.