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 cincydooley wrote:
I love on the Team Covenant site they say:

In the meantime, though, we were consistently dissatisfied with the order tokens available to us. We used everything from Force Tokens, to pieces of paper, to pennies, and none of it, as you might imagine, fueled our imaginations and brought us deeper into the Infinity universe.

I mean, they must not have been looking THAT hard.

$25 for a set of 11 tokens is absurdly steep. I guess if you're deadset on the metal, they might be your bag, baby, but I don't know why you wouldn't just go with the Warsenal ones otherwise.

My goodness, that's one absurd price!

Indeed. But it comes with a silver container. Mmm-Hmm. As a tournament prize it might be nice, but Warsenal sells magnetic ones (Which are nice) and there are acrylic ones and the MicroArts ones (They had a supplier who was messing with the printinq quality, hence the problems with those tokens. FYI) So I don't expect to see many of these around. This may be a foot in the door thing too.

I used metal washers (1" diameter) as the basis for my counters and markers. They have a nice feel to them, but they cost me less than 20 cents each, minus time to print and glue everything.

18 days to the big April news, eh? The 2nd of April. I will not trust news that comes out on the 1st, ven though the Spanish equivalent of April Fool's day is the 28th of December. I really hope it is not vehicle rules. We have Remotes and TAGs for vehicles.

This is one of the best examples of player-made rules for a tank, built into a special scenario.

http://infinitythegame.com/forum/index.php?/topic/5938-scenario-kill-the-tank/

Have read a couple of battle reports with it in use, haven't got round to it myself yet but it looks like tremendous fun. And a great opportunity to use the Antenociti tank model!

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Kroot, I would disagree with practically everything you have said there, other than perhaps the hairdos in 60's Star Trek looking OK. They do.

Honestly, the 'I dislike everything' comments might find some leverage in the Mantic or IG threads, but you're not going to get very much mileage out of it here mate. The character of the miniatures has changed, not been lost.

I have all old Morat miniatures and won't get the new ones. Saying that I dislike everything is nonsense and trolling. I just have an opinion and post it. And as someone who plays mostly Aliens, I don't like the idea that all Aliens must look exactly like humans to sell.

The amount of gak-storms you have stirred up in your time, you have absolutely no right to call anyone else a troll.

 Pacific wrote:
This is one of the best examples of player-made rules for a tank, built into a special scenario.

http://infinitythegame.com/forum/index.php?/topic/5938-scenario-kill-the-tank/

Have read a couple of battle reports with it in use, haven't got round to it myself yet but it looks like tremendous fun. And a great opportunity to use the Antenociti tank model!

Oooh, good find. That looks like a nice break from the usual YAMs & ITS games .

I don't know if any of you played Star Wars Saga Edition (although I am sure there are similar examples) but in one of the books they recognised the effect a tank could have on a character level skirmish, or the impact a capital ship had if it jumped onto the table in the middle of a dog fight.. so they introduced some optional rules that abstracted the purpose of the vehicle until it became a obstacles or hazard instead of an outright opponent with a bazillion hit points. So a capital ship might now get to chose from three special actions each turn and one of them might be to place a template down and reduce the defenses of any enemy fighters inside that template. That way they became part of the flavour of the dogfight rather than an overwhelming and unbalanced opponent that negated much of the fighter vs fighter combat.

So they could do something similar with Infinity. An IFV, for example, could have a regular statline and weigh in at, say, 40 points. But it's options might only be to move (useful because to some degree it is mobile cover) or to place a suppressive fire marker within line of sight. Combine that with the ability to deploy troops in reserve in base to base contact with the IFV and I think you have a reasonable approximation of what an IFV can do without it becoming a tracked TAG

The train in the train scenario illustrated how a vehicle should be handled, like a terrain.

 Knight wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I love on the Team Covenant site they say:

In the meantime, though, we were consistently dissatisfied with the order tokens available to us. We used everything from Force Tokens, to pieces of paper, to pennies, and none of it, as you might imagine, fueled our imaginations and brought us deeper into the Infinity universe.

I mean, they must not have been looking THAT hard.

$25 for a set of 11 tokens is absurdly steep. I guess if you're deadset on the metal, they might be your bag, baby, but I don't know why you wouldn't just go with the Warsenal ones otherwise.

My goodness, that's one absurd price!

I too am not at all impressed by the price. It's insane.

I wonder what their margin is. If they cut it down to half that cost I might be tempted, but... well, if this is the sort of crappy business model that Infinity partners are allowed to get away with, methinks there will be a lot of sorting the wheat from the Chaff to do. Fortunately it seems like CB are allowing partners to have products that compete with each other (like the various types of order tokens). I hope these guys learn to lower their prices.

 Siygess wrote:
I don't know if any of you played Star Wars Saga Edition (although I am sure there are similar examples) but in one of the books they recognised the effect a tank could have on a character level skirmish, or the impact a capital ship had if it jumped onto the table in the middle of a dog fight.. so they introduced some optional rules that abstracted the purpose of the vehicle until it became a obstacles or hazard instead of an outright opponent with a bazillion hit points. So a capital ship might now get to chose from three special actions each turn and one of them might be to place a template down and reduce the defenses of any enemy fighters inside that template. That way they became part of the flavour of the dogfight rather than an overwhelming and unbalanced opponent that negated much of the fighter vs fighter combat.

So they could do something similar with Infinity. An IFV, for example, could have a regular statline and weigh in at, say, 40 points. But it's options might only be to move (useful because to some degree it is mobile cover) or to place a suppressive fire marker within line of sight. Combine that with the ability to deploy troops in reserve in base to base contact with the IFV and I think you have a reasonable approximation of what an IFV can do without it becoming a tracked TAG

The tank scenario is fairly good with that. The tank is very powerful, and takes, IIRC, about 200pts of your list. Which means you're going to be supporting it with basically just line infantry, which is fair enough. It's also got multiple locations that need to be destroyed, each with its own set of structure points. So it becomes a game of hiding from the tank, dealing with the infantry, and using your anti-tank weapons to slowly take the tank apart.

Regarding vehicles, I wonder if the big announcement is dropships (considering Antenocities was being really coy about using the dropship in Infinity, with news in April, which coincides with CB's big announcment). Dropships would have an even bigger impact on the game, since they're not only heavily armoured, they have the potential to be heavily armed, and also they fly.

Yes was going to say, I think the tank in that scenario is pretty much what you have in mind Siygess.

I also love the idea of it - during the occupation of a city, the other faction sends in a spec-ops team to take out a tank at a critical juncture. Makes me think about a certain scene in the Manga Venus Wars, if anyone has seen that!

I think they could be cool for a scenario as mentioned, but I think TAGs are as far as they need to take armor beyond mission-centric and planned for vehicles. Then you can buy one really nice tank and spend a long time making it look killer, instead of banging out half a dozen of them 'cause its good' like some other systems. I guess that's an Infinity thing in general though, with the not needing many of anything in particular.

I don't see how you'd be fielding half a dozen tanks when the game already runs into problems with points limits running multiple TAGs.

But yeah, the idea of vehicles being added would best be tackled by scenarios, not by simply adding them to army lists. A scenario like Kill the Tank, with a tank made for each faction, would give people a reason to buy a badass tank and paint it, without it unbalancing tournaments (unless they wanted to include the scenario).

While I don't really want to see the game scale get bigger or balance ludicrous like certain other games, it would be nice to have stuff like this for some non-ITS variety.

I meant painting half a dozen (or more) tanks for games like 40k or whatever. You don't really want to do it, but it's what works right now. Its more of a general plus of playing a game of Infinity's scale than anything, and keeping the vehicles to scenarios further enforces it.

what the heck people? "Absurdley expensive"? they're just premium tokens is all, They're cool. They're expensive, but they're really nice and as has been pointed out, there's already many other options available for tokens at any price point. Want em free? grab some pebbles form the back yard. Want em cheap? use pennies. Want some mildy inexpensive flourescent plastic ones specifically made for the purpose? Use Warsenal. Want some fairly nice but slightly expensive ones? get the MAS tokens. Want real metal ones specific to each faction? get the new ones. It fills a niche.

I think a $19.99 price would have been better just because $20 is such a nice break-point, but I'm still tempted by them. Hell, they're less than a bottle of Grey Goose and all you get from that is the same morning-after as smirnoff and a prettier bottle to throw in the recycling bin. At least the tokens will serve a continuing purpose.

 Savnock wrote:

 Knight wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I love on the Team Covenant site they say:

In the meantime, though, we were consistently dissatisfied with the order tokens available to us. We used everything from Force Tokens, to pieces of paper, to pennies, and none of it, as you might imagine, fueled our imaginations and brought us deeper into the Infinity universe.

I mean, they must not have been looking THAT hard.

$25 for a set of 11 tokens is absurdly steep. I guess if you're deadset on the metal, they might be your bag, baby, but I don't know why you wouldn't just go with the Warsenal ones otherwise.

My goodness, that's one absurd price!

I too am not at all impressed by the price. It's insane.

I wonder what their margin is. If they cut it down to half that cost I might be tempted, but... well, if this is the sort of crappy business model that Infinity partners are allowed to get away with, methinks there will be a lot of sorting the wheat from the Chaff to do. Fortunately it seems like CB are allowing partners to have products that compete with each other (like the various types of order tokens). I hope these guys learn to lower their prices.

Well, hopefully the oft-touted market forces will come into play, and if something is too expensive, people won't buy and will choose a less expensive option.

There is cheaper MDF terrain around these days, which is good the price of some of the MAS stuff when it first appeared was not cheap at all. Antenociti did a range of Mass Effect-style hab block buildings for £13 each, Sarissa did a bulk buy discount etc.

At least with a lot of this stuff you have the choice whether you buy it, and whom you buy it from - you're not forced down the path of expensive options in order to play the game. Which is something to be extremely grateful for, even if as you say there is perhaps room for some lowering of prices. This kind of metal token I view as something like the limited edition games you can get - that comes with a faux-leather case, cloth map and fancy artwork on the box; completists and people with more leisure money to spare will go for it, but it's by no means a must-buy.

Some are for April, some will be available "in the future, and probably at GenCon".

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wCELLH6pawA

Sun Tze with a Boarding Shotgun. Which is a new loadout.

that is sweeet

It is an awesome mini, but sadly I am JSA only for Yu Jing...

You know you want more

Are those acrylic signs hanging off the micro art buildings something new or already released?

They are from custom meeples iirc.

Looks very nice!

Here are a couple of screen-grabs from the video. I'm guessing that is freehand on the back of his cloak?

That is one incredible model.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
They are from custom meeples iirc.

Thanks!

 Kanluwen wrote:


Some are for April, some will be available "in the future, and probably at GenCon".

Considering the base, it's probably not Infinity, but what is that uncensored model all the way on the left?

 Absolutionis wrote:
Considering the base, it's probably not Infinity, but what is that uncensored model all the way on the left?

It is Infinity, is the Uxía SAS resculpt that CB released a couple of months ago. Angel said in FB that he is painting one for Bostria.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.668772189850358.1073741973.436491416411771&type=1

That's Uxia, commissioned from Angel by Bostria.

Erasoketa wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
Considering the base, it's probably not Infinity, but what is that uncensored model all the way on the left?

It is Infinity, is the Uxía SAS resculpt that CB released a couple of months ago. Angel said in FB that he is painting one for Bostria.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.668772189850358.1073741973.436491416411771&type=1

IJW wrote:That's Uxia, commissioned from Angel by Bostria.

Also - this thread has got my seriously pumped up for the "Big News In April - does anyone have any hints as to what it might be about?

In no particular order of probability, It could be, or not be:

(a) Warcors
(b) New book (3rd ed, or a new sourcebook, heck, even a follow up artbook)
(c) New sectorials (That would be cool)
(d) The Tikbalang/Toni is finally released. (Huge news to some us us anyway.)
(e) Something with Antenocitis (we have heard hints all over the place)
(f) More scenarios for the ITS (we were told 4 more were coming)
(g) That CB will be sending folks to GenCon again. (haven't heard anything about it, but I am certain it will happen)
(h) Or anything. More Dire Foes, (since they did well) or a new game, "Aristeia" perhaps?
(i) some or all of the above.

Whatever it is I'm pretty sure it will be most excellent. I've noticed that CB rarely disappoints. It's T minus 18 days to 2 April... I doubt it will be an April First announcement.

That Sun-Tze is spectacular. Who does the face remind you of? And what is he stepping on?

I think the 2nd one in from the right is almost certainly pushing a wheelbarrow.

The one on the far right might possibly need a NSFW tag when it is revealed