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Well yes, I know how the E/Marat use would be depicted. However, it's not something that would have much in the way of pose variety like the Daturazi got away with having two CCWs.

*shrug* The Ghazis have a bit of a pass in terms of WYSIWYG.

As you said they both have E/Marats and there is nothing really different between the two different profiles.

Which is why I would expect 2 of each gun. It's not like they have multiple profiles they need to try and squeeze in. 2 of each gun would also work for people who want to WYSIWIG 4 of the same gun - simply buy 2 boxes.

Sure, but again: look at the precedent set by the Briscards, Sekban, Kaplan, Scots Guard, and Wulver Grenadiers.

They're trying to find ways to make boxed sets include one or two "proxyable" models. I really would not be surprised by at least one pistol or two models wielding the jammers instead of a firearm.

Outside bet - they get a third loadout we've not seen before?

Doctor. Why not?

Any word on when that Ravage Magazine w/ the N3 quickstarter rules will become available outside of Spain? or how the rest of us can get the QSR stuff?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Sure, but again: look at the precedent set by the Briscards, Sekban, Kaplan, Scots Guard, and Wulver Grenadiers.

Which all contain multiple profile,s plus special weapons that were included in the box, necessitating the need for sidearm equipped proxy units to fill in for people who wanted to run multiples of models equipped with the 'basic' weapons. Even Daturazi don't really fit - they have Combi Rifles, Chain Rifles and Boarding Shotguns, plus an LGL.

So far there simply has not been a 4 model box for a unit that only has 2 profiles. Like, not even 2 profiles but different CCW's to actually turn it into 8 profiles. Just flat out 2 profiles. There's really no precedent that fits the box.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Sure, but again: look at the precedent set by the Briscards, Sekban, Kaplan, Scots Guard, and Wulver Grenadiers.

Which all contain multiple profile,s plus special weapons that were included in the box, necessitating the need for sidearm equipped proxy units to fill in for people who wanted to run multiples of models equipped with the 'basic' weapons. Even Daturazi don't really fit - they have Combi Rifles, Chain Rifles and Boarding Shotguns, plus an LGL.

So far there simply has not been a 4 model box for a unit that only has 2 profiles. Like, not even 2 profiles but different CCW's to actually turn it into 8 profiles. Just flat out 2 profiles. There's really no precedent that fits the box.

It might not be "2 profiles", but of those boxes I mentioned 4 only had several repeat "loadouts" left to represent.
Briscards: Sniper Rifle profile, Forward Observer profile(which is really just the basic profile with the FO skill), and the basic Marksman Rifle profile. Rather than pack in 3x Marksman Rifles with a single Sniper Rifle, they included a single model that can be used to represent pretty much every Briscard profile but the HRL.
Sekban and Kaplan were in a similar position.

Sure, but again, that's because they were packing in more than 2 profiles. They needed a profile that could be used for 'anything', because people were going to want to use combinations not allowed if they made those sidearm proxies an actual loadout.

Ghazi simply don't have that problem.Short of, as IJW said, putting in another profile we haven't seen, there's nothing to need a proxy for.2 of each weapon gives you plentiful combination. And if you really want 4 of each profile available, you can just buy the box twice.

A good example of this is actually the Chaksa Auxiliary. 2 Heavy Flamers, 1 HMG, 1 GHRL. No proxies because there's only 3 profiles. If people want to run 4 heavy flamer Chaksa, buy the box twice. This also gives you 2 HMG's and 2 GHRL's. While 2 GHRL's isn't popular, 2 HMG's is.

 IJW wrote:
Outside bet - they get a third loadout we've not seen before?

I think one of them will be holding a crucifix

I was thinking the same thing - Ghazi will probably get new profiles, which is awesome.

-Loki- wrote:I'm not certain...

Kanluwen wrote:Most likely...

Kanluwen wrote:Most likely...

Kanluwen wrote:Sure, but...

-Loki- wrote:Well yes,...

Kanluwen wrote:*shrug*

-Loki- wrote:Which is why I would expect...

Kanluwen wrote:Sure, but again:

-Loki- wrote:Which all...

Kanluwen wrote:It might not be.., but...

-Loki- wrote:Sure, but again,...

Almost goes without words.
I mean we could just wait and see...

It's not like it's as bad as the official boards news threads. We haven't started trying to figure out what Tohaa smell like, for instance.

@loki hot buttered popcorn.

Who knew that Ghazis could provoke so much speculation and conversation?

Not me...

Someone wake me up when it is over!

 Alpharius wrote:
Who knew that Ghazis could provoke so much speculation and conversation?

Not me...

Someone wake me up when it is over!

I'm done. I've said what I wanted to.

Just for my two cents on the posing.

Yeah, the old E/Marats were chest mounted explody things, but the newer ones, since they are directed weapons, actually have a transmitter array thing. Looks like a little dish. In one of the rulebooks (Human Sphere I believe) they have a little picture of the new ones. I might be confusing it with the Jammer, but I thought that didn't come out until Paradisio, and I know the E/Marats got the rework in Human Sphere.

And if you notice in the concept art, the backpack thing they're wearing has a thick cable that runs off. So I'm betting the backpack is now a powerpack to run the thing, and they're carrying the actual transmitter part that is hooked up to the backpack.

I use Ghazis a lot and am definitely looking forward to a boxed set of them!

 Alpharius wrote:
Who knew that Ghazis could provoke so much speculation and conversation?

Not me...

Someone wake me up when it is over!

No sleeping on the job, you. We Infinity folk need constant moderation. It is as if we never read rule #1 or something... XD. And you'd have more energy if you spent less time changing your Avatar every day

No preview photos this week? Or will it be a week-end thing? I'm curious to see these new interventors, and how they will make a box out of the Santiagos.

Who knows when we'll see previews?

Usually we would not have a full release list before the month even begins.

 Red Harvest wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Who knew that Ghazis could provoke so much speculation and conversation?

Not me...

Someone wake me up when it is over!

No sleeping on the job, you. We Infinity folk need constant moderation. It is as if we never read rule #1 or something... XD. And you'd have more energy if you spent less time changing your Avatar every day

Sadly, it seems like my (everyone's?!) favourite avatar has gone for now :(

So does anyone have any idea what the "Breaker Pistols" on the YJ Terracotta Soldier's concept could be? Not only are they a new thing (?), but they have two of them.

E/M pistols, maybe?

 Savnock wrote:
So does anyone have any idea what the "Breaker Pistols" on the YJ Terracotta Soldier's concept could be? Not only are they a new thing (?), but they have two of them.

E/M pistols, maybe?

If that was the case, i think they'd just be called "E/M Pistols"

CB have no compunctions about naming weapons based on the damage they do. AP Rifle, Viral Combi, etc

The fact that they havent done that tells me that its going to have some funky rules of some sort.

 Micky wrote:

 Savnock wrote:
So does anyone have any idea what the "Breaker Pistols" on the YJ Terracotta Soldier's concept could be? Not only are they a new thing (?), but they have two of them.

E/M pistols, maybe?

If that was the case, i think they'd just be called "E/M Pistols"

CB have no compunctions about naming weapons based on the damage they do. AP Rifle, Viral Combi, etc

The fact that they havent done that tells me that its going to have some funky rules of some sort.

Hmmm. But some things (like Blitzen) are not named for their effect.

My guess is still E/M. Maaaaaybe a Jammer effect, but that seems a little ridiculous to put into a pistol.

They don't look like breech-loaders, so at least we can guess that the "breaker" part probably doesn't refer to weapon structure.

"Breaker" likely refers to some kind of unique AP ammo.

Random random guess.... AP+EM DMG 14 with pistol range and.. B2.

How would AP+EM work? AP required a save against armour, EM requires a save against BTS. Or do you do both saves and apply the effects separately?

If they were meant to be some kind of funky, all-new weapon then they would have a fancy name like Mk12, ojotnik, spitfire, molotok, feuerbach, etc. The only weapon I can think of that bucks the trend is the Marksman Rifle which follows the * [weapon name] format but changes the stats rather than applying an ammo type. And of course, the Templar CCW grants AP+DA to a CCW in one shot (to give an example of a tandem ammo-type effect with its own name).

But those cases are rare. My guess is simply that it will be a new type of ammo called Breaker.

As for the effect it causes, haven't a clue. But I think we may simply be seeing a new ammo type spring in to existence here.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
If they were meant to be some kind of funky, all-new weapon then they would have a fancy name like Mk12, ojotnik, spitfire, molotok, feuerbach, etc. The only weapon I can think of that bucks the trend is the Marksman Rifle which follows the * [weapon name] format but changes the stats rather than applying an ammo type. And of course, the Templar CCW grants AP+DA to a CCW in one shot (to give an example of a tandem ammo-type effect with its own name).

Don't forget Light Rocket Launcher, Heavy Rocket Launcher.

 -Loki- wrote:
How would AP+EM work? AP required a save against armour, EM requires a save against BTS. Or do you do both saves and apply the effects separately?

One armour save at half ARM and one unmodified BTS save. Senor Massacre does the same thing in CC, so it wouldn't be unprecedented.