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 Pacific wrote:
I think the current Scout is really nice! I know it's not a new miniature but I think it still holds up well next to some of the current stuff

Yeah, but there's two other Scouts that don't hold up as well.

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
Well if we were being realistic in terms of military structure. It would be spraypainted all one color and then have some random ID code stenciled on it.

And this would be bad? It could be a civilian civil defense tower too. In either case, anything more than a small amount of weathering would be out of place, IMHO.

I was referring to this mini, BTW. Not CB's finest effort.

Do you know.. I didn't even realise that miniature existed! There we go

But, yes I agree that one definitely doesn't hold up as well as the one I posted.

Hrm, my comment seems to have caused some discussion.

I still don't know what I don't like about the Spetznaz, it's not the gun. I love me a massive calibre sniper rifle. It's not the proportions, they look fine to me. There's just something... off. If I were an Ariadna player I'd spend more time trying to figure out what it was so I could fix it, but as it is, it's just not a model that's for me.

Cant wait to see new Mutts!

My Haqq to-buy list just keeps getting looonger!

Talking about to-buy list, I just found out Kum riders are in stock here.

I think a lunch time jaunt is in order.

 -Loki- wrote:
Hrm, my comment seems to have caused some discussion.

I still don't know what I don't like about the Spetznaz, it's not the gun. I love me a massive calibre sniper rifle. It's not the proportions, they look fine to me. There's just something... off. If I were an Ariadna player I'd spend more time trying to figure out what it was so I could fix it, but as it is, it's just not a model that's for me.

Perhaps that it is wearing a Pan-O blue beret? Maybe he stole it from Angus, the big bully.

Yes, I'm not keen on the colour of the beret.

I think full-on military camo and more muted colours (which are actually commonly usually used for Ariadna) might suit the miniature better.

Yes, but that colour and the striped tshirt is what defines them.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Yes, but that colour and the striped tshirt is what defines them.

Not really.

Spetsnaz is a term that refers to a huge number of different groups. The berets and striped t-shirts are an attempt to tie the model with the Russian "45th Guards Spetsnaz Regiment", which in turn are part of the Russian Airborne Forces("Vozdushno-desantnye voyska" or "VDV").

In actuality, the berets and striped t-shirts are not worn for combat. Here's an image taken in 1999 of a member of the Spetsnaz GRU in Dagestan.


But if you were to model the Kazak Spetsnaz in any way other than the stereotypical "berets and striped t-shirts", people might not get that "Oh it's not just another pseudofuture soldier".

well I could write "iconic" instead of "what defines them" but I see you agree with what I said.

I also must point out that in the pic you linked the striped shirt is worn.

caylentor wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Something about the Spetznatz is not working for me. No idea what it is. Just doesn't look right at all.

Same here, I can't decide if it's that the weapons look really oversized to me, or that the whole model just seems to have some odder proportions than Infinity tends to.

I think it's where he's holding the weapon. Looks odd holding the clip rather than the main body.

I'm waiting for v3 before I take the dip into Infinity.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
well I could write "iconic" instead of "what defines them" but I see you agree with what I said.

Not really?

Again, they could easily have done Spetsnaz without the striped shirt or beret. They just chose not to because otherwise it's not "cool".

I also must point out that in the pic you linked the striped shirt is worn.

I'm aware. However it's not as blatantly obvious as it is on the model, now is it? It's visible on the only guy who is not wearing a chest rig.

 Red Harvest wrote:

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
Well if we were being realistic in terms of military structure. It would be spraypainted all one color and then have some random ID code stenciled on it.

And this would be bad? It could be a civilian civil defense tower too. In either case, anything more than a small amount of weathering would be out of place, IMHO.

I was referring to this mini, BTW. Not CB's finest effort.

I like that model.

 monders wrote:

caylentor wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Something about the Spetznatz is not working for me. No idea what it is. Just doesn't look right at all.

Same here, I can't decide if it's that the weapons look really oversized to me, or that the whole model just seems to have some odder proportions than Infinity tends to.

I think it's where he's holding the weapon. Looks odd holding the clip rather than the main body.

I'm waiting for v3 before I take the dip into Infinity.

Its actually not uncommon. My buddy shoots that way when doing close work, and I've seen a lot of others at the range doing it. I still hold it forward though.

AFAIK that's more a matter of holding the magwell than the mag though, isn't it? I'd imagine that weapon as sculpted (magwell flush with rest of the lower) doesn't really allow for that.

I dig those knights.

That boarding shotgun looks so TINY in that one guy's hand! I do like the new version of it, looks a little wild and a fun design.

Just as a heads up, the two new Santiago Knights(boarding shotgun and sword wielding loon) will be available for a short time as individual blisters.

Absolutely stunning looking minis.

Love the Knightly orders, the range is pretty big now (and I think just needs their TAG to arrive to make it a sure-fire purchase for me!)

The concept art for the Seraph is damn hot. With those 'wings' it should totally be a drop troop.

It -might- be what makes me make a Knight list. That and the Equestrian Knight of the Holy Order of the Sepulchre, (which I refuse to shorten because I love that ridiculous name).

I like the new boarding shotgun being short. After all, its supposed to be used in BOARDING actions, where corridors and rooms would favor smaller weapons for their size.

Those Santiagos are... alright. Can't say I like them even nearly as much as the PanO and YJ armor units.

Let us begin more wild speculation about missions involving Zero-G in the near future. I for one am utterly drooling at the idea, and will be adapting my boarding-action rules to include EVA. It would be pretty damned cool if zero-G troops could use entire areas of the board that regular troops just can't.

I honestly hate that older style PanO combi rifle. I know that mini was released not too long ago, but maybe they could have resculpted the weapon D:

 sing your life wrote:

 Red Harvest wrote:

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
Well if we were being realistic in terms of military structure. It would be spraypainted all one color and then have some random ID code stenciled on it.

And this would be bad? It could be a civilian civil defense tower too. In either case, anything more than a small amount of weathering would be out of place, IMHO.

I was referring to this mini, BTW. Not CB's finest effort.

I like that model.

De gustibus non est disputandum. Buy it now, before it goes out of production.

Hmmm, those Santiagos. For some reason I was hoping that they would look quite different from all the other knights*, although I knew better. Still, very nice minis. Saving the Interventors and Fast Pandas for last it seems.

*Given their specialization. Better ZeroG rules would be nice. I'd have to get the Sekban for that... missed out on the mini market sale. Man that stuff sold fast. A good sign?

For me, what makes the new Spetsnaz look a bit odd is a combination of the chunky legs (he's like a HI from the knees down) and the odd pose with the rifle. It feels like it should be held lower, at waist level, if he's holding it at rest.. or higher, if he was aiming and he lowered it just a bit while distracted by something else.

I'll buy it anyway of course because my vanilla Ariadna needs more Kazak in it!

Edit: I wonder if the Ojotnik is going to be remodelled..

Thank god they didn´t change the weapon design on the Santiagos, I like them much better then the new Boltstyle (which is okay, but imho departs too much from its predecessor). Looks like I´ll get this box some time in the future.

Despite the fact that the new Santiago Knights are just arm swaps of the existing figures (with additional sword scabbards), I'm finding that I really like them. I might have to grab that set eventually.

Customeeple has a new PanO Church:





They even have the new Knights of Santiago in those images.

Along with the Haqqislam terrain, there's some fantastic themed terrain around.