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Lots of different conversations, here is my 2 cents:

1.- The Nomad guy with 2 pistols and black mask is a Grenzer.
2.- If INFINITY growth continues... that can only lead to plastic sprues. CB will reach a point when it is no longer a matter of: -"I prefer this - I prefer that to my taste.." it will be pure logic in a competitive market.
I do not know the number of copies that they shoudl reach in order to think about plastics, maybe 5000 copies. If they have a product that sells like 5000 copies in a year... then it MUST be made in plastic.

It is not what I say, it is not what a forum says... the numbers, the market, the growth will push in that direction.

Don't get me wrong... I respect their slow growth and cautious way of leading the company, but at some point it looks like "lack of ambition". If an American CEO were leading CB, they will have already jump into plastics. Not because of their actual numbers but on the numbers they expect to hit.

3.- Angel painting level proves that he is not human.

 BobbaFett wrote:
2.- If INFINITY growth continues... that can only lead to plastic sprues. CB will reach a point when it is no longer a matter of: -"I prefer this - I prefer that to my taste.." it will be pure logic in a competitive market.
I do not know the number of copies that they shoudl reach in order to think about plastics, maybe 5000 copies. If they have a product that sells like 5000 copies in a year... then it MUST be made in plastic.

It is not what I say, it is not what a forum says... the numbers, the market, the growth will push in that direction.

That depends. If they need to outsource it, it might not be worth going that route anyway. If you outsource to another company, they are tooling your molds, so you are working to their schedule, not the other way around. Those companies also do work for everyone else on the market - look at what happened to the first box of Forgefathers for Mantic, where they had to cut corners to get released on time (they basically made sci fi chest, heads and arms that fit on the Fantasy dwarf legs, which gave them a very medieval looking short sword and chainmail under a sci fi set of body armour).

If you do it in house, like Games Workshop, it's more affordable in the long run, as you own the machines, you hire someone to tool molds, you pay people to cast them, and do it all to your schedule. The problem here is sheer startup costs - look at how enormously massive, with public funding, GW needed to get to in order to do their plastic manufacturing in house. CB has a long, long way to go.

Staying metal has advantages and disadvantages, but going plastic isn't as simple as it sounds. The control over production schedules and such is the reason Corvus Belli have said in the past they don't want to go plastic, and they're very real problems.


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 Pacific wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
So here I am, looking at how to build a Morat list out of the starter, Vanguard special weapon box and the Suryat. Throw in my other favorite CA model, the Medtech... Crap. I'm going to start Morats aren't I?

I already folded when that new Morat starter set came out, and Wayland had a 20%-off sale at Salute..

I almost bought the starter yesterday. It was sitting in my hands and I was staring at the awesome models. but I also had some of Plastcrafts Bourak terrain in my hands, and the terrain won out.

 BobbaFett wrote:
Lots of different conversations, here is my 2 cents:

If INFINITY growth continues... that can only lead to plastic sprues. CB will reach a point when it is no longer a matter of: -"I prefer this - I prefer that to my taste.." it will be pure logic in a competitive market.
I do not know the number of copies that they shoudl reach in order to think about plastics, maybe 5000 copies. If they have a product that sells like 5000 copies in a year... then it MUST be made in plastic.

It is not what I say, it is not what a forum says... the numbers, the market, the growth will push in that direction.

Don't get me wrong... I respect their slow growth and cautious way of leading the company, but at some point it looks like "lack of ambition". If an American CEO were leading CB, they will have already jump into plastics. Not because of their actual numbers but on the numbers they expect to hit.

You're talking about a privately owned company in Spain. For counter example, see Privateer Press and their continued production of metal models with some resin.

And CB already takes metal price fluctuations into account and is quite open about how it effects box and blister prices

I cannot recall which CBer said it but they would have to fire a bunch of people in Spain and do a few other things to afford a start up of plastic production in China. CB is not going to fire anybody in order to ship jobs to China. I respect that. If they could do the plastic production in Spain, then maybe plastics may be in the future. Bear in mind they also do all the printing in Spain too. Hecho en Espana seems to be rather important to them.

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
I just wonder what dark and terrible pacts he made with dead and sleeping gods in order to have that sort of brilliant skill.

When Angel paints his last miniature, he will hold his brush up to the sky and scream something unintellegible, and burst into crimson flames.

Maybe he has given up coffee, booze and the ability to breathe.

Dem hands be steady, yo.

Blood sacrifices during ritual cleansing of mould lines of inferior PVC minis is my guess followed by debauchery of the likes no one suspects. Just imagine Bostria cosplaying each and every cheesecake female mini pose to maintain the company's favor in the eyes of the minis gods...

The best part is the interview with Angel where he says something like "Really, they're just painted to an commercial level, because of the need to stay on schedule."

Kingdom death has illustrated (along the other boardgame name eludes me but it is based on journey to the west) that the loss of detail remains significant, but more importantly that the parts breakdown to get a really good model is significant (I am sure if they could they would not put the breasts as a separate piece) and really if my memory does not fail me both do not have as complex poses as some of CB models have.

And mind you both are stellar as far as plastic kits productions go,Kingdom death in particular is done as a showcase project by the manufacturer.

If CB goes to plastics two things will have to happen, plastics become better and CB producing them in house.

@BobbaFett

Its not a lack of ambition and personally I have seen many companies been ruined by that "American CEO" logic, they grow at the speed they want at the rate they feel comfortable and at the risk they feel is adequate, in contrast to many risk takers and "enlightened CEOs" CB is a privately held company that takes into consideration that there are around 30 families supported by them to take greater than needed risks.

 Pacific wrote:
Do you mean this one Warboss? Just enough to make me give up painting for good..



IJW is probably the person to ask about the components for that kit, he often posts here..

Yup, that's the one. The paint job looks good when zoomed in but it really gets put to scale when you throw in the coin and fingers and that's when it really hits you... that you (meaning me) should stop whining about doing occasional edges as your only medium level painting technique!

Angels painting is what actually discourages me lately. I look at that and think 'feth yeah that's awesome', then I paint mine and am sad.

It's a cointoss for me. Sometimes it makes me feel depressed. Sometimes it challenges me to be better.

I try to keep things in perspective. There are so many people, someone is probably always going to be better at something than me. Not to mention a lot of people take classes, entire degrees, and endless hours of practice to be so much better. For the guy you're talking about, its even his job to do it.

Personally, I just do this for fun and haven't taken any classes, or done any practice beyond painting more minis. I just accept that some people are damn awesome and I compare my work to past projects to gauge relative improvement.

Paint job like that would once be discouraging, but I just say neat, and get back to my poorly blended highlights, barely passable eyes, and religious use of minwax

Oh I definitely compare my work to my past models. One of my favorite things to do when painting an Infinity model is line up the last 10 or so to see what my new end result it. I've seen a marked improvement on each model (except that last Sekban, everything fell apart on him).

But when I go to see if I've missed some detail like a tiny belt I couldn't see, I go look at the official models, and notice I not only didn't see a belt, but several hundred buckles and buttons and shoelaces and other details that he's not only painted but done nice blending on too.

And then I get annoyed.

But it was once my job to paint minis, and I used to paint 5-8 hours a day. And I have been painting things (not minis, but still it hurts my pride) ever since I can remember, and I have an art degree.

So that's depressing...

Even for professional miniature painter standards, his work is superb.

Some new June terrains from FB page

 Usashi wrote:

All that terrain piece needs is a few Jaffa..

Very nice, you can imagine those working like the teleporter things in the Stargate movie..

Here is a link to the website: http://www.customeeple.com/product/infinity-heliport-platform/

Very reasonably priced too, 13 Euros for the Heliport and 5 for the teleporter things.

Is that some sort of...teleporter?

 Alpharius wrote:
Is that some sort of...teleporter?

The product is called "Starlift Elevator", so it probably is a Jetsons-style teleporter. You could always use it as a energy-walled jail cell or something for objectives. That's what I thought it was at first.

 Alpharius wrote:
Is that some sort of...teleporter?

Either that or its a set of hula-hoops for TAGs. You never know, that might be an objective for ITS 2015..

 Alpharius wrote:
Is that some sort of...teleporter?

No, Nope , and NO, like Grav Tech there is no telepoters in Infinity.

 Pacific wrote:
Very nice, you can imagine those working like the teleporter things in the Stargate movie..

That was my first impression as well. I think it would look better if the circles were more irregular in shape, something like data flow used by hackers or GITS manga/anime style.

Noir wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Is that some sort of...teleporter?

No, Nope , and NO, like Grav Tech there is no telepoters in Infinity.

Whoa! Settle down there turbo!

I know there are no 'teleporters' in Infinity - I was just curious as to what it actually could be.

Perhaps use it as some sort of medical or security scanner? Would make a nice objective for narrative missions, hack the bometric checkpoint to access computer room/bank vault/VIP lounge

 Siygess wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Is that some sort of...teleporter?

Either that or its a set of hula-hoops for TAGs. You never know, that might be an objective for ITS 2015..

TAG's with pilot-gimp-arms have a -3 to the WIP check, according to rumor.

Jaffa cookie holder appears to be a legitimate idea.

"Our Elevator is specially designed as an scenery pieces or objective marker for your Infinity games. The pieces are designed in collaboration with Corvus Belli to be an official product, fully compatible with Infinity the game.

The piece represent an outside elevator. You can easily put it attached to a scenery structure and use it to reach the roof of the building. You can choose the colour of the metacrylate circles among our variety."

Thats the description from their website. Basically its a futuristic Stannah Stairlift!

If anyone's played Planetside 2, they have exactly those, they just kind of slowly lift you up and you sort of waft off of them. Not sure how they explain the technology, but it's handy.

all you need is a sufficiently powerful magnetic field and pretty much anything can be wafted into the air, marvel at the levitating frog