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CB won't close the forums:

Corvus Belli wrote:In light of the intense clamor following our announcement of an imminent closure of the forum, the Corvus Belli team have decided to heed the voice of the Infinity community. This means the two Official Forums (international and Spanish-language) will remain open and active as official hubs for players and fans.
We at CB are moved by the reaction of the community, which demonstrates your concern for Infinity as a game and as a hobby whose dimension transcends the game table. That so many of you would feel so deeply involved with the Infinity universe and its community is immensely gratifying to us, as it reflects our own feelings about this game.
We initially felt that closing the forums was a regrettable but necessary decision, but your strong opposition has convinced us that we must find another way. The forums will remain open, but some technical readjustments will be forthcoming in order to guarantee the smooth running of the website despite its massive traffic.
Our reversal does not in any way mean that we withdraw our support of the data-sphere.net and infinitywarcors.com forums. On the contrary, we believe the Infinity community deserves quality alternate spaces to grow and communicate freely, and we will endeavor to provide these forums with all our help and support.
Additionally, we emphasize that the performance of data-sphere.net or infinitywarcors.com has not affected our decision. In fact, we apologize to them for this step back and appreciate the work they have been doing these past few weeks to welcome Infinity community.

https://www.facebook.com/CorvusBelli/posts/10152371838263842

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What he said

 Erasoketa wrote:
CB won't close the forums:

Corvus Belli wrote:In light of the intense clamor following our announcement of an imminent closure of the forum, the Corvus Belli team have decided to heed the voice of the Infinity community. This means the two Official Forums (international and Spanish-language) will remain open and active as official hubs for players and fans.
We at CB are moved by the reaction of the community, which demonstrates your concern for Infinity as a game and as a hobby whose dimension transcends the game table. That so many of you would feel so deeply involved with the Infinity universe and its community is immensely gratifying to us, as it reflects our own feelings about this game.
We initially felt that closing the forums was a regrettable but necessary decision, but your strong opposition has convinced us that we must find another way. The forums will remain open, but some technical readjustments will be forthcoming in order to guarantee the smooth running of the website despite its massive traffic.
Our reversal does not in any way mean that we withdraw our support of the data-sphere.net and infinitywarcors.com forums. On the contrary, we believe the Infinity community deserves quality alternate spaces to grow and communicate freely, and we will endeavor to provide these forums with all our help and support.
Additionally, we emphasize that the performance of data-sphere.net or infinitywarcors.com has not affected our decision. In fact, we apologize to them for this step back and appreciate the work they have been doing these past few weeks to welcome Infinity community.

https://www.facebook.com/CorvusBelli/posts/10152371838263842

Just posted the same thing down in the Infinity Gen Discussion.

So this s why you should engage your customers, GW. This is why you do market research.

Now that is Good News! Glad that CB did a reverse-GW on this one!

Why were they planning to close the forums in the first place? I must have been Internet-dead when this started up.

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
Why were they planning to close the forums in the first place? I must have been Internet-dead when this started up.

Judging from the post about it staying, it had something to do with the bandwidth and maintenance required for the forums was degrading the rest of their site.

I don't use the forums so it doesnt affect me, but I do notice a much, much improved English translation of whatever they said in Spanish right there.

That makes me happy for 3rd edition rules.

Apologies in advance, I am completely out of the Infinity loop.

I'm just picking up the game again.

Where do I need to order the Icestorm stuff to get the bonus miniature?

My FLGS? Corvus itself?

 FacelessMage wrote:
Apologies in advance, I am completely out of the Infinity loop.

I'm just picking up the game again.

Where do I need to order the Icestorm stuff to get the bonus miniature?

My FLGS? Corvus itself?

If the FLGS can get in the pre-order version, they should be able to get the bonus miniature (CSU merc).

The CB 'exclusive' is the Gencon cosplay Bolt model.

Thanks!

Now I just need to find out what the new stuff is and what I actually want out of it.

Liking the new range chart (think someone has been looking at your own version hey IJW? )

Also, that the Sniper rifle has the same range as a lascannon in 2nd edition 40k. That seems somewhat .... fitting

 Erasoketa wrote:
CB won't close the forums:

Corvus Belli wrote:In light of the intense clamor following our announcement of an imminent closure of the forum, the Corvus Belli team have decided to heed the voice of the Infinity community. This means the two Official Forums (international and Spanish-language) will remain open and active as official hubs for players and fans.
We at CB are moved by the reaction of the community, which demonstrates your concern for Infinity as a game and as a hobby whose dimension transcends the game table. That so many of you would feel so deeply involved with the Infinity universe and its community is immensely gratifying to us, as it reflects our own feelings about this game.
We initially felt that closing the forums was a regrettable but necessary decision, but your strong opposition has convinced us that we must find another way. The forums will remain open, but some technical readjustments will be forthcoming in order to guarantee the smooth running of the website despite its massive traffic.
Our reversal does not in any way mean that we withdraw our support of the data-sphere.net and infinitywarcors.com forums. On the contrary, we believe the Infinity community deserves quality alternate spaces to grow and communicate freely, and we will endeavor to provide these forums with all our help and support.
Additionally, we emphasize that the performance of data-sphere.net or infinitywarcors.com has not affected our decision. In fact, we apologize to them for this step back and appreciate the work they have been doing these past few weeks to welcome Infinity community.

https://www.facebook.com/CorvusBelli/posts/10152371838263842

Wow. I am really, truly surprised.

At first I didn't think the move to Datasphere was a particularly bad move, but then seeing how the relationship had apparently soured with some of the 3rd party suppliers, and (I have to be honest here) what appeared to be a little of 'Mugabe' syndrome on behalf of the Datasphere admins, I'm now quite glad that the official forums will stay open.

Hopefully some development will come in that regard, but good on CB in any case. Like they've said, nothing at all wrong with having multiple forums and it will surely help the community.

I am really surprised and happy about this decision by CB!

I was shocked when I read about them closing their forums, and it is refreshing to see a company respond to its fans.

However, I hope this means that they're thinking about moderating their forums a bit...more...now too?

INFINITYis growing - it is a good time to be a fan!

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

I do not get the big shouderpads comment as the pic illustrates, there has been no significant change in the shoulderpad ratio from almost 10 years ago to now.

Uhm, what? Those shoulderpads are clearly larger (especially on the horizontal, because the second layer/rim was expanded quite a bit both in bulk and in coverage). They are also placed way higher, which increases their visual impact on the miniature significantly. That ridiculous, topheavy placement is the thing that I least like about the new HI, and counteracts the best part about the hold HI (the non-macho/spacemarine shapes of the HI, and the clear influence of Shirow in making things fit to bodies).

Yeah, moar shoulderpads. That and the much-more-raised collar are really distasteful to me. I still like the sculpts overall, but the more-prominent and arger shoulderpads things is worrying because it has been an overdone element in so many other mini games (GW, Warzone, and the many derivatives).

It is logical to have a well developed body in miniatures that represent a professional soldier[...]

Most well-developed bodies and most professional soldiers do not look like bodybuilders with pecs and biceps the size of their heads. They look like people who run... y'know, like the bodies on older CB sculpts did. I really don't get why you're arguing this point: the new sculpts are clearly muscled-up to Stallone levels. If you're okay with that, just be okay with it- don't deny it.

[...]and the fact that everybody commented on the lack of webbing on normal troops when dire foes appeared with webbing is the real reason on why the new models appear with backpacks not to "bulk up the models", now not all factions share the same aesthetics, some are more round, some are more squarish, depending on faction.

There I can agree with you, and see your point. I do think the packs on the Fusiliers are too big, but the ones on the new Alguaciles are decently sized. Point taken, you're right.

 IJW wrote:

 Savnock wrote:
... Nor is the HI that a human can't actually fit inside of.

The digitally sculpted HI are designed by starting with the same human dolly that's used for that faction's LI and adding on extra layers of armour on top of the LI and MI designs. In other words, all the new HI actually have a human inside.

There's some mention of this in the BoW 'Designing Operation Icestorm' video but the seminar at the Interplanetary went into more depth.

Look at the pic of the two Orcs above. The new one... the human's waist would have to be waspishly tiny if the suit there is more than a couple centimeters thick. Same with their quads. And the hips.

Now look at the older sculpt. Thicker legs (so legs can fit inside), thicker midsection, slightly wider pelvis (and maybe slightly shorter torso, looks like). A human could actually fit inside.

I get that they start with a humanoid dolly underneath... but those proportions must be pretty supermodel. Not much chance that a 200-pound guy could fit his hips or legs inside that suit, especially if the myomer cables are as thick as they look.

I sort of agree with the roundedness compared to more crisp-edged new designs, but apparently that's to make the models nicer to paint and to help distinguish the separate elements of each design. Kneepads on the fusiliers were given as an example, the transition from fabric on the thigh to the kneepad was accentuated to make it clearer that it's two different materials.

Good point. I just think that a lot of us liked painting the rounded surfaces (harder for beginners, true), and will miss them if this sharp-angles style takes over. Like the pecs on the Orc above again, or the armor on the quads- much more fun surfaces to work with.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Savnock wrote:


I'm wondering how this affects camo attacks in ARO: do ARO camo attacks get the extra -3 modifier for surprise?

That would definitely help balance out the major drawbacks of your opponent getting shots back at you.

Yes?

At least, as far as we know right now!

Thanks for the answer (even if it's just that they didn't rule out ARO camo attacks, which N2 does not include). Looks like camo snipers will be worth way, way more in the new edition. Here in the Seattle area we've played with very crowded tables because we have lots of great urban terrain (thanks to deflatermouse's terrain-building addiction), but in other metas with wide-open tables like Spain I bet sniper AROs make warbands and bikes less powerful in N3.

Shoulder pads are of the same height. Width is harder to judge because of the angle but judging from the ORC photos on the website, the new one might be a little wider but not incredibly so.

We are talking about a game that is based very-much on the anime aesthetic mind you.

 Savnock wrote:
Uhm, what? Those shoulderpads are clearly larger (especially on the horizontal, because the second layer/rim was expanded quite a bit both in bulk and in coverage). They are also placed way higher, which increases their visual impact on the miniature significantly. That ridiculous, topheavy placement is the thing that I least like about the new HI, and counteracts the best part about the hold HI (the non-macho/spacemarine shapes of the HI, and the clear influence of Shirow in making things fit to bodies).

I don't have an old-style ORC, but I just looked at the new ORC arm next to a Montessa Knight and yes, the shoulderpads are bigger, but most of the visual difference is indeed from the position rather than the size.

 Savnock wrote:

 IJW wrote:

 Savnock wrote:
... Nor is the HI that a human can't actually fit inside of.

The digitally sculpted HI are designed by starting with the same human dolly that's used for that faction's LI and adding on extra layers of armour on top of the LI and MI designs. In other words, all the new HI actually have a human inside.

There's some mention of this in the BoW 'Designing Operation Icestorm' video but the seminar at the Interplanetary went into more depth.

Look at the pic of the two Orcs above. The new one... the human's waist would have to be waspishly tiny if the suit there is more than a couple centimeters thick. Same with their quads. And the hips.

Now look at the older sculpt. Thicker legs (so legs can fit inside), thicker midsection, slightly wider pelvis (and maybe slightly shorter torso, looks like). A human could actually fit inside.

I get that they start with a humanoid dolly underneath... but those proportions must be pretty supermodel. Not much chance that a 200-pound guy could fit his hips or legs inside that suit, especially if the myomer cables are as thick as they look.

It's the same dolly as the Fusiliers, which are slightly idealised but decidedly not supermodels.

The waists on the two models in the photo are identical, pretty much down to the pixel. I think you're getting visually misled on this one, partly by the old ORC's gun butt sitting into the waist area.



Take a look at the old female ORC and the Swiss ML:

Can we use spoilers to hide the pictures, please?

On weapon's range:

I do wish to see some tweaks to the units. Some appear to be absolute bananas, such as Riot Grrls (MSV and access to wide area of different weapons), Loup Garous, Karakuri are also woow. So wish all my Kamau had X-visor now.

Overall seems nice, yet to find some clear synergy in my PanO, but if they find a way to make a CC a viable alternative as opposed to shooting with a hand pistol at close range. I dare to say it will make PanO fun to play, as long they don't go overboard with hackers and PanO Knights will actually be worth the title of CC specialist.

Quick mention on the Dire Foes. Really mixed bag, Konstantinos, Yuriko, Anyat, Thrasymedes and Keesan are popular in general or specific. I haven't seen a list anywhere with Isobel, Yasbir tends to be overlooked (small community but not seeing any interest from on-line forums though I find him really great), Bipandra is where it is and so on. I can say that those civilians I've ordered from Shae are top notch too.

Also of note, just how TINY models are, male or female. When they're not wearing any armor... well, here's my engineer I was fiddling with.



That head might as well make him Dr. Billy Quizboy.

And besides, PanO is one of the highest tech factions. Their Heavy Infantry are likely to be slimmer and trimmer than say my Az'rael or the Mobile Brigada. And just look at the few HI that Ariadna get. I mean the Tank Hunters are MI and they're superbulked out.

Hell, some of the ALEPH HI don't even wear armor!

Everyone is crying because the old PanO models were the best of the old guard. The old ORC is a classic model, but they want to release a box in keeping with modern refined sculpts.

Now look at the Yu Jing invincibles, the new vs old Hsien, the thunder thighs Guija. Nobody cries when the ugly puppies get put to sleep.

Speaking of which!
Any chance for a Guija resculpt? That thing is such a fattie. Would it be in the new Yu Jing sectorial?

Anybody seen new invincibles? will that unit cease to exist & be replaced by new terra cotta fellows?

Anything on a new Shang Ji? I love the unit & the model is dope, but we could use more poses & loadouts.

Most well-developed bodies and most professional soldiers do not look like bodybuilders with pecs and biceps the size of their heads. They look like people who run... y'know, like the bodies on older CB sculpts did. I really don't get why you're arguing this point: the new sculpts are clearly muscled-up to Stallone levels. If you're okay with that, just be okay with it- don't deny it.

Ehh....dont know if ignorant or just troll.

But here is pic of a google....second topless pic I had up(soldier)http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02714/soldiers_2714361b.jpg

and here is running person(marathon vs Sprinter)http://anthonymychal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/marathon-vs-sprint.jpg

Which one are more....well-developed?


As for ranges I cant wait to use that new boarding shotgung with +6, and rest sounds good too.

 Knight wrote:
Can we use spoilers to hide the pictures, please?

Done. Isobel gets used locally, but that's because I have a nasty habit of digging out a GML-spam list every so often.

 GrenAcid wrote:

Most well-developed bodies and most professional soldiers do not look like bodybuilders with pecs and biceps the size of their heads. They look like people who run... y'know, like the bodies on older CB sculpts did. I really don't get why you're arguing this point: the new sculpts are clearly muscled-up to Stallone levels. If you're okay with that, just be okay with it- don't deny it.

Ehh....dont know if ignorant or just troll.

But here is pic of a google....second topless pic I had up(soldier)http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02714/soldiers_2714361b.jpg

and here is running person(marathon vs Sprinter)http://anthonymychal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/marathon-vs-sprint.jpg

Which one are more....well-developed?

Can we move this flame war off the news & rumor thread?
It's no longer news that some like the older designs. Make a new thread to nitpick how wiry or musclebound stuff ought to be.

 Alpharius wrote:
However, I hope this means that they're thinking about moderating their forums a bit...more...now too?

Agreed. It's a good source of news if you can sort through the gifs and talk of international cuisine in the news threads, but the personal snipes tend to turn into compelete thread derailing bitchfests, and the culture there has changed over just the last year from being quite welcoming of new people and ideas into a toxic quagmire of attitudes that have semingly been brought over from other game communities.

They really need a few full time, even volunteer, moderators to cut through the gak and get the forum on track again.

Remember guys, we have a whole forum for general discussion now, and I think when we are getting down to the specifics of arguing if one shoulder pad or another is bigger by a matter of pixels, we have probably moved off of the news and rumours side of things to the general discussion side of things.

Sorry for derailing. I see the points most of your make about HI, especially IJW (good illustration, thanks). Still disagree about the LI but I'll start a thread for that if the trend continues when the next round of new LI come out.

Back on-topic, was there any mention of missile launchers in the new ranges vid? Can't watch right now, just wondering if the stuff discussed in the chart is all we know.

Also, Bladerunner2019, hilarious fat-shaming of an inanimate object. Almost spit my soda out. That said, most of us who were Appleseed fans love that sculpt.

No mention of any other weapon in the video aside from regular Shotguns. Supposedly they'll have a similar high modifier at <8" range

Yeah aren't there quite a few weapons.. like the odd smg and such?

I wonder if the -3 modifier on the hmg makes the pistol more viable at close range to shoot down someone trying to charge you? 6 better to hit than the hmg... but 4 worse damage, and no special ammo loaded generally. Hmm.

Maybe other range bands are unchanged?

I doubt it. These are the most common weapons in the game. There are more changes to come. Ammo will be getting changes too. CB has really done good work with N3. The book can't release soon enough. And All the profile updates.

There is Friday's BoW video too.