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So N3 won't replace the existing (other, non-rulebook) books, but it *will* contain new information and units? So we'll be seeing those juicy new CA models statted out in a few months, without having to wait for Acheron Falls? Cool.

It's weird how things are working.

So N3 replaces the main rulebook. It updates just those units and purportedly it is adding some new units besides.

But the majority of new units are going to be in "Acheron Falls".

If they're coming out with new sectorials in Acheron Falls, I do hope they put the rules for link teams and such there as well so you don't need to reference the wiki or another book as a new player.

I'll try to make the photos I took available as soon as I hit some better internet. Even got to take one with Angel. Was gonna try to talk shop about airbrushes since he had an iwata out but things were quite busy.

Regarding CA and updated/new models... are the Shasvastii safe for a while? I had a spitfire Gwailos on my L2P infinity CA team, and he totally wrecked the enemy ariadnan forces. Having cover while advancing was killer, and the model was neat.. just wondering if they're sticking around for awhile?

I think the new Shasvastii models should be okay but we might see a redesign of the older stuff.

Ahh I'll have to see if timeline then. Gwailos? I wanna get the spitfire guy just cause he was kicking ass so fast he forgot to take names, making the poor Lt Skiavoros and his plasma gun look bad.

Gwailos will be okay unless they radically redesign the units.

Cool. Thanks . After seeing how fun the gwailos was, and how fun a link team sounds, and seeing Barzams Sphinx... maybe it won't be Morats that get CA hooks into me.

4x Gwailos+Cadmus-Naish Sheskin=hilariously funny.

Oh the second thing is one of those link-capable not-the-same-thing-but-almost units? Or a leader? Like Kusanagi and moiras? I need to look into the shasvastii sectoral now for sure many thanks.

A lot more 3rd Ed info to fill in a lot of the guesses from the previously seen slides pics.

I watched through the video and was surprised that breaker pistols are B2 viral pistol and forward observing allows other models to get +3 bs when targeting the marked model.

Yaaaah to any newcomers: Don't try learning 2nd edition.

Hacker programs? Much better way to sort out that tangled mess & hopefully make them more useful.

Looks like new Speculo Killers are on the way...

I dunno, I kinda like the old maghariba. It looks friendly. it's something I would cuddle at night and call little pumplekins.

The new one is the kind that you name War Missile or something.

Also, new jannisarry just caught my eye. So I guess they're remaking the old HMG model among other things? I don't see the need to remake the Rifle one, it looks fine as it is. Or are they just introducing a new color scheme for them?

Trauma Doc and Joan looks superb. Will wait for their release, then maybe I can start PanO. The Tikbalang will make or break my decision, however.

Interesting new rules mentioned:

If both combatants crit in a Face-to-Face roll, they're both nullified.

No cumulative modifiers can ever go better/worse than +12 or -12

Ability: Assault
Father Knight has this
-3 on CC roll, but if you start the order with LOS of your intended target, you may move full distance (4-4) to reach CC range.

Ability: Natural-Born Warrior
No stat boosts. Nullifies all Martial Arts and Berserker abilities of opponents.

Ability: Martial Arts
You do not gain the modifiers of all prior levels. Active player chooses what level of MA they're using (equal to or lesser) and the ARO player gets to then choose knowing that information. This explains the awkward complexity of the chart.
No more surprise attack.

Ability: Hacker
Similar to Martial Arts, there will be a chart with different "programs" to choose from. This will be explained more in the next Infinity theme week.

New Maghariba looks absolutely fantastic. I'm glad I still have the old one, so having both I'll have some choice (and maybe they will be AVA 2 in Caliphate).

So they've renamed Izzat Beg to Kaysim Beg? Seems unnessecary, but okay.

The Hassassin unit looks great, as does the Tohaa tracker unit.


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 heartserenade wrote:
Also, new jannisarry just caught my eye. So I guess they're remaking the old HMG model among other things? I don't see the need to remake the Rifle one, it looks fine as it is. Or are they just introducing a new color scheme for them?

Guess it's just a new colour scheme and the rifle is on the concept art for completeness. The armour looks almost identical, and the rifle model in the starter is fairly new, so I don't see a reason to resculpt it. Unl;ess they're going to do a link team box to go along with the HMG.

 -Loki- wrote:
New Maghariba looks absolutely fantastic. I'm glad I still have the old one, so having both I'll have some choice (and maybe they will be AVA 2 in Caliphate).

So they've renamed Izzat Beg to Kaysim Beg? Seems unnessecary, but okay.

Beg means commander so this is a new guy. Also his load out is different so the question is will Kum be the first unit to have two named characters from it? Did Izzat die? What's the fluff behind this? Are they competing personalities? Only time will tell.

I hope the Maghariba will be AVA 2 as well not that I think that will make a good list but it would be fun.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Interesting new rules mentioned:

If both combatants crit in a Face-to-Face roll, they're both nullified.

No cumulative modifiers can ever go better/worse than +12 or -12

Ability: Assault
-3 on CC roll, but if you start the order with LOS of your intended target, you may move full distance (4-4) to reach CC range.

I might be missing some information. How is this different from the current rules, where you move 4-4 to reach the base to base contact with the opponent's model ?

If assault is half the order it would be handy ability.

 heartserenade wrote:
Also, new jannisarry just caught my eye. So I guess they're remaking the old HMG model among other things? I don't see the need to remake the Rifle one, it looks fine as it is. Or are they just introducing a new color scheme for them?

The rifle loadout is already in the starter set, they're just redoing the HMG version to match the look of the rifle one. Personally though, I prefer the old Janissary design. If fits their fluff a lot better. Much like the newsculpt rifle Janissary, I'll be using this new HMG version as an Ahl Fassed instead.

 Knight wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
Interesting new rules mentioned:

If both combatants crit in a Face-to-Face roll, they're both nullified.

No cumulative modifiers can ever go better/worse than +12 or -12

Ability: Assault
-3 on CC roll, but if you start the order with LOS of your intended target, you may move full distance (4-4) to reach CC range.

I might be missing some information. How is this different from the current rules, where you move 4-4 to reach the base to base contact with the opponent's model ?

If assault is half the order it would be handy ability.

That was my assumption, it would allow you to use both movement values in a single short order to reach CC. Otherwise it's not changing anything.

Currently you get to use one order to short skill to move, another short skill to move into base to base contact but that's it. You don't get to CC then, that would require another order being spent.

In 3rd with Assault you get to spend one order to move and move again and still do CC but at a -3. Its also one of the things on the CC chart so you can't do it and Martial Arts or say Berserk.

So like Knight and I assumed - Assault is basically a 'charge', where you can use 1 short order to move both MOV values, then still have a short order to make a CC attack, at -3.

I'm a bit iffy about the new CC rules, and if profiles aren't being updated in N3 then it leaves some current units sitting in an awkward place (Oniwaban, Domaru etc).

Or maybe the rules in HS will stay the same, but the profiles get updated?

 Daba wrote:
I'm a bit iffy about the new CC rules, and if profiles aren't being updated in N3 then it leaves some current units sitting in an awkward place (Oniwaban, Domaru etc).

Or maybe the rules in HS will stay the same, but the profiles get updated?

All profiles will be updated, it's simply not avoidable. Changes to the core rules will change the balance of every single unit.

 Knight wrote:

I might be missing some information. How is this different from the current rules, where you move 4-4 to reach the base to base contact with the opponent's model ?

If assault is half the order it would be handy ability.

The difference is that what you say in Move Move into CC (two short movement skills) while Assault skill is a long order that in Move with both movement attributes combined and do a CC attack.

Yeah, that all sounds incredibly interesting.

Assault is the much needed boost to CC's engagement range, hopefully it is very widespread on close combat units. I am of course wondering if you can stack multiple CC abilities from different sources though (don't think this was asked at the seminar). I know MA wont stack, but there are units like the Domaru with MA and Berzerk (and it may get Assault to boot). I could see wanting to stack those together to get some interesting effects.

And while, at first, I was a bit iffy on MA still being levelled, I liked Bostria's explanation of it. Seeing what your opponent chooses before choosing your response will lead to some interesting consequences.

That said, it kind of sounds like most weapons will be defaulting to B1, and that one die will be the norm. Though having a crit-range of greater than 5% does help alleviate that a little. It also sounds like they kept the "declare a shoot action as your ARO to negate close combat rules" thing which I admit I am not entirely a fan of. It means that camo and smoke cover will remain fairly common assault tools unless their is some overhaul to how ZoC awareness AROs are handled. It would be awesome if you could properly backstab a unit in CC.

And this also has me wondering if the surprise bonus from things like camo will come in to play with assault. That could be potentially interesting as well.

Either way, it does sound like they are at least giving close combat a real niche by making it a fairly reliable damage source if you can get in close. Not sure if this will be a true fix, but at the very least it sounds like there will be far more times when close combat will be worth it. So long as it remains fairly cheap, this should be quite alright.

And of course, the change to getting added burst from allies in combat has some very interesting consequences where multi-unit warbands and link-teams are concerned. Not much use to a lone CC specialist, but Assault Packs and the Chimera/Pupniks just got a huge boost.

Either way, the close combat changes are interesting and I can't wait to see more of the specifics.

Oh, and the Breaker Pistol being viral is more than I could have ever hoped for. Holy crap the Zu Zong HMG is going to be a nightmare.

And I only just noticed, but it looks like the Tiger Soldier is getting a Spitfire, that makes me happy with all these changes.

Me like charts....me want hacker one. NOW!

Do I get it right with MA you have to declare what kind of Lv you use and gain benefits of just one Lv?

Mini A is assaulted and declare lv1, charging mini B than declare his lv for MA and goes lv 3, so they use bonuses form declared lv and no other lv even when they have LV5 both?

CB got me all exited again. Everything sounds so promising. I like how they've redesigned cc ruels. Pity that natural born warrior still nullifies every martial art. I hoped just for some abilities reduction.

New Yu jing toys look marvellous. I like that tiger troops are fully armoured now. It helps to unify the look of the whole army. I just hope terracotta sectorial will be more flexible to play with than JSA one.

Can't wait for another infinity week when they will show how exactly the new hacking works.

And some better shots form Data sphere:





















The force is strong in Umbra guy

Think there is going to be a lot of stuff going into my painting queue this year..

 heartserenade wrote:
I dunno, I kinda like the old maghariba. It looks friendly. it's something I would cuddle at night and call little pumplekins.

Haha! Quote of the month. Actually, quote of 2014

I agree though, the current Maghariba does have a really nice look to it.