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Yes, it should get the job done. Alternatively you could try to get the intro rule book (the sea is full of buccaneers) and pick up two different armies with similar elements.

The paper terrain that is in the starter is simply a quick way to get some cover on table. I really enjoy having more solid and complex buildings to interact with.

I expect changes in the background, more or less in favour of certain factions.

 d-usa wrote:
A little late to the O:I party, but quick question:

My group has been looking for a skirmish style game. We got a good 40K crowd, but there are quite a few of us who prefer the squad level style games.

I've played Infinity, I like it, and I think it would fill the needs of my group. Do you guys think that O:I would be a good buy to use as an intro/demo system?

I don't yet have it in hand, but from what I've seen/read, yes, it would do. The forces seem balanced, there's a good variety of LI/MI/HI, snipers, air droppers, you could introduce hacking by using one Fusilier/Aguacile as a hacker.

First, though, I'd circulate the Quick Start Rules, Quick Reference Sheet and Full Rules, all free on the Infinity site, so people can see what they're getting into. There will be some changes from 2nd to 3rd edition (Icestorm had the quick start rules for 3rd) but it should cover the basics, and with any luck get people interested:
http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/downloads/

Also, this site should help get you up and running with terrain: http://www.toposolitario.com/workshop/ikube.html

 d-usa wrote:
A little late to the O:I party, but quick question:

My group has been looking for a skirmish style game. We got a good 40K crowd, but there are quite a few of us who prefer the squad level style games.

I've played Infinity, I like it, and I think it would fill the needs of my group. Do you guys think that O:I would be a good buy to use as an intro/demo system?

You are basically the person that O: I was created for, so certifiably yes !

It's a great starting point, you have two starting forces each and you can share the cost with a friend.

 Pacific wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
A little late to the O:I party, but quick question:

My group has been looking for a skirmish style game. We got a good 40K crowd, but there are quite a few of us who prefer the squad level style games.

I've played Infinity, I like it, and I think it would fill the needs of my group. Do you guys think that O:I would be a good buy to use as an intro/demo system?

You are basically the person that O: I was created for, so certifiably yes !

Well, I'm familiar with Infinity and got a small Adriana force and have a fair number of 2nd edition games under my belt.

But I'm not the best at trying to condense the game down to simple rules and putting together a small and balanced force to introduce people to the game.

So that's my hope with this box: balanced force, easy to set up and run intro games, quick basic rules to demonstrate the mechanics and flow of the game without the risk of pushing people into the deep end in the first 10 minutes. I want to be able to have people try it out during our club nights or set it up during one of our saturday events for people to walk by and jump into a demo game.

It's a great starting point, you have two starting forces each and you can share the cost with a friend.

It will be mine, all mine!

Sounds like it should do the trick and meet all my needs.

Yep. The five missions in it are written for exactly this purpose - start with the absolute basics and add in a few new rules or unit types at a time.

 IJW wrote:
Yep. The five missions in it are written for exactly this purpose - start with the absolute basics and add in a few new rules or unit types at a time.

It cannot ship fast enough. I really need another outlet beyond 40k for skirmish style.

 Pacific wrote:
It's a beautiful bit of art isn't it, think it has appeared in several of the books.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
Haqqislam combines pretty much the best aspects of the Muslim world through history.

However, I wonder if current events might make CB revise any of the faction's background with the new release?

... what with a Caliphate sectorial coming soon & all

I think that is extremely unlikely!

You could still tie events as they are happening now with the emergence of an Islamic state in the future as it is with Haqqislam. And, I think other than 'fleshing out' background (which we've read will happen with Nomads), I don't think we will have any significant re-writes of background in terms of changing their character, just extensions of them into the future through events happening as a consequence of Paradiso, Archeon etc.

TBH I think CB needs to re-think If its wise to have a) faction named after religion(with no other religon names present out in open) and b) sectorial named after....Caliphate....wich in current state of events is kinda awkward if not out of place.

 GrenAcid wrote:

TBH I think CB needs to re-think If its wise to have a) faction named after religion(with no other religon names present out in open)

There is plenty on PanOceania's version of Neo-Christianity. Look at the Knightly Orders and some of their names/mottos.

and b) sectorial named after....Caliphate....which in current state of events is kinda awkward if not out of place.

Not really. The extremist rhetoric came only recently--and what's more, the portrayal of Haqqislam in Infinity's background is pretty positive. There is even some bits about how the Caliphate has done quite well in exterminating the extremist elements that plagued the Middle East during what would have been our timeframe.

If anyone is portrayed as a badguy (well other than the obvious CA), it seems like it's the controlling/expansionist Yu Jing, no?

 GrimDork wrote:
If anyone is portrayed as a badguy (well other than the obvious CA), it seems like it's the controlling/expansionist Yu Jing, no?

Portrayed as? Yes. But remember that PanO tends to control the media.

Quite frankly, every faction has a sinister side - but that's the way it is when you're talking about a game of spec-ops kill squads.

 Micky wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
If anyone is portrayed as a badguy (well other than the obvious CA), it seems like it's the controlling/expansionist Yu Jing, no?

Portrayed as? Yes. But remember that PanO tends to control the media.

Yeaah...that is not really worth mentioning. Remember that there are "in-universe" and "omniscient narrative" snippets.
The "in-universe" snippets written from the perspective of Yu Jing certainly make them out to be pretty tolerant and accepting.
The omniscient narrative snippets?
They paint a very different picture of Yu-Jing. The rampant persecution of Japanese citizens within the Imperial Army(even before the Japanese revolutionaries really got involved) and the existence of the Satori Black Prisons(which existed before the Combined Army invasion of Paradiso even...) do not paint a nice picture.

Quite frankly, every faction has a sinister side - but that's the way it is when you're talking about a game of spec-ops kill squads.

Calling Metros, Fusiliers, Alguaciles, et al "spec-ops kill squads" is hilarious.

Also:



Doesn't seem too friendly.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Calling Metros, Fusiliers, Alguaciles, et al "spec-ops kill squads" is hilarious.

They're still leading a decently elite team to some supposedly important goal. Even Fusiliers and Ghulam and Alguaciles can be lieutenants leading a team of super-fancy Jotum, Saladin, or Sexual Deviants (respectively).

 Erasoketa wrote:
Also:

Spoiler:

Doesn't seem too friendly.

That's not all of Yu Jing though. That's just the ISS.

I'm sure the underdog JSA would love to distance themselves from them.

We have the 'good' QK on one side protecting all of humanity's immortality and we have the dubious Hassassins following the orders of some old dude. Both get along.

We have the heroic Steel Phalanx on one side fighting heroically against the evil alien menace while the rest of Aleph throws around propaganda, performs covert assassinations, and manipulates markets.

He's just your neighbourhood optician giving free eye inspections!

 Pacific wrote:
It's a beautiful bit of art isn't it, think it has appeared in several of the books.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
Haqqislam combines pretty much the best aspects of the Muslim world through history.

However, I wonder if current events might make CB revise any of the faction's background with the new release?

... what with a Caliphate sectorial coming soon & all

I think that is extremely unlikely!

You could still tie events as they are happening now with the emergence of an Islamic state in the future as it is with Haqqislam. And, I think other than 'fleshing out' background (which we've read will happen with Nomads), I don't think we will have any significant re-writes of background in terms of changing their character, just extensions of them into the future through events happening as a consequence of Paradiso, Archeon etc.

While it's possible, I don't think it's needed. Sure, they could have the Caliphate go that way, but the Hassassin are meant to be the 'terror' side of Haqqislam. Not in the same way as terrorist right now, but the whole public execution thing is their bag. Having even more subsects of Haqqislam go along that route undermines what they achieved with the fluff for the faction in the first place.

it's also not needed. Rumour is the Caliphate sectorial is linked to the Al Medinat, so they have plenty already to differentiate the sectorial with the super soldier angle. Khanate already has its own thing going with bikers and gangers.

Personally speaking, to me, trying to channel what's going on in the middle east right now would severely put me off the game - I was very, very happy when the awkward attempts to not quite say that Ghazi Muttawi'ah are sort of but not quite suicide bombers was left out of their new description and they focused on the Bahram side of it with them being low profile communications agents.

Trying to channel modern day middle eastern issues is just not something they need to do, IMO. And also something they said in the art book they were avoiding, at least aesthetically.

 Micky wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
If anyone is portrayed as a badguy (well other than the obvious CA), it seems like it's the controlling/expansionist Yu Jing, no?

Portrayed as? Yes. But remember that PanO tends to control the media.

Quite frankly, every faction has a sinister side - but that's the way it is when you're talking about a game of spec-ops kill squads.

PanO goverment doesn't control all of the media. It's more likely most of the media sources are being controlled by various corporations that will bend the story to their benefit, certainly there should be few smaller and independent sources with official PanO media. Overall, PanO media has less focused propaganda when compared to Yu Jing. To echo the words from few pages, Yu Jing needs more diverse background.

Haqqislam is very romanticised image. I'm rather put off by it, similar to JSA.

I'm rather puzzled why this isn't in general discussion.

@Loki - completely agree with you about that.

And, anyone that thinks that the Haqqislam faction are somehow inappropriate needs to actually sit down and read the background for the faction. It's actually a rather positive picture of how the religion and surrounding culture could have developed in the future.

 Daba wrote:
He's just your neighbourhood optician giving free eye inspections!

I love the guy with the mounted machine gun behind, obviously in the event that someone fails..

That's a Rui Shi Remote in the mid-ground with another Bao or possibly Celestial Guard in the background.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 GrenAcid wrote:

TBH I think CB needs to re-think If its wise to have a) faction named after religion(with no other religon names present out in open)

There is plenty on PanOceania's version of Neo-Christianity. Look at the Knightly Orders and some of their names/mottos.

Sure thing but non of them are called Neo-Christianity, and thats the point....its cool to have it as background if fluff but I rly dont want to play Holy Crusade in fancy power armours, we have game for that.

and b) sectorial named after....Caliphate....which in current state of events is kinda awkward if not out of place.

Not really. The extremist rhetoric came only recently--and what's more, the portrayal of Haqqislam in Infinity's background is pretty positive. There is even some bits about how the Caliphate has done quite well in exterminating the extremist elements that plagued the Middle East during what would have been our timeframe.

Well about that....backgrond in some rulebook dosnt matter if your minis are named like people who cut off other peoples heads and it is happening now. Its not some history like WW2, we now can have germas in their orginal uniforms ect but dude 60-70 years ago that thing wouldnt pass.

Sorry for off-topic(thats my last post about it here) If mods feel the need to move it please do.


Do anyone have some insight in BoW schedule?....Im gonna get old waiting for Hacking rules and new Infinity week....

Less bad than I've expected

Are those new fusiliers?

Yep, with the new HMG design

Looks like the women have remembered to wear their backpacks this time.

Also, UPS inform me that my Icestorm will be with me on Thursday, so that's good.

I think this is the first time I was actually looking forward a PanO release.

Wow.. those certainly look like a big update on the design!

Are there any better photos / more close-ups that have been released yet? (not to sound ungrateful Sangarn, thanks for posting them!)

I like all of the except what I presume is the hacker (the non-sniper woman), that pose is just off.

 Paradigm wrote:
I like all of the except what I presume is the hacker (the non-sniper woman), that pose is just off.

I think that is the HMG, and the hacker would be the guy at the right:



Sniper, ML?, HMG, Hacker. *I think*

 Erasoketa wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
I like all of the except what I presume is the hacker (the non-sniper woman), that pose is just off.

I think that is the HMG, and the hacker would be the guy at the right:


Sniper, ML?, HMG, Hacker. *I think*

You may well be right. I was thinking the ML was the HMG and the guy in the right was just a rifleman. So I think your suggestion is more accurate.

Erasoketa - you've got it right!

I like the look of them - a nice upgrade from what we've had for a while now!

Makes me excited for what they've got in store for PanO and the Most Anticipated Sectorial In The World!

 Erasoketa wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
I like all of the except what I presume is the hacker (the non-sniper woman), that pose is just off.

I think that is the HMG, and the hacker would be the guy at the right:



Sniper, ML?, HMG, Hacker. *I think*

exactly, the HMG design is new, I think it's the first time that we can see it.
as for more view, I think we will have some from Giraldez this week,
those are customeeple exclusive