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Presumably for cheaper, if nothing else.

Some of Australia's preorders of O:I have arrived. The Combat Company in Sydney I ordered from has pics up on facebook, and the pics are also reposted on the CorvusBelli facebook page.



Not long now til I have it in my hands!

 Erasoketa wrote:

 Knight wrote:
The problem is how "lower technological factions" are given ample of tools to compensate and no real drawback, if the complaint was not having MSV 2 to ignore TO and ODD penalty, here comes new and improved MSV 1. We're not all that lucky to get viral, 6-4 with super jump and so on. Having a "technological advanced model" should give you something, other than worrying on yet another way how it'll be shut down. Most of the complaints how "useless" are currently hackers come from Nomad players, who coincidentally have only the best hackers in the game.

I don't worry about not having all the toys. I like that there are different factions. If I want to play a high-tech army it's a good thing that I can play Nomads if I want to. I'd rather have Ariadna. I don't have TO, DDO, Nanoscreens, and I don't care about the visors. The only miniature with MSV1 that I plan to play is Uxía, and the visor is not the reason. Actually, her more useful profile doesn't have it. Same for the Veteran Kazak with T2 rifle and Visor X. I choose him for the rifle, not the visor. I tend to forget that equipment.

Quite so, certain armies are given ample of tools not to need MSV. I don't see the point of complaining about the lack of MSV 2+ in Ariadna as there are plenty of ways that allow you go around it, that doesn't mean I haven't read or that certain others didn't use it as an evidence of "balance". I remember asking few more capable players on what they think on cost of MSV against infiltration/camouflage models and what they'd prefer to have. Unsurprisingly the answer was favouritism with the second option, and the trend I'm seeing now is only continuation and more prevailing min-max optimisation in the lists, at least for those that play with double combat groups and more modern meta.

For what is worth it, I'd also think everything is fine in Infinity and you're given plenty of avenues to explore and would look with far greater optimism towards N3... if I played Nomads, Ariadna, Tohaa or old single group meta.

Dropbear Victim wrote:
Some of Australia's preorders of O:I have arrived. The Combat Company in Sydney I ordered from has pics up on facebook, and the pics are also reposted on the CorvusBelli facebook page.

Spoiler:

Not long now til I have it in my hands!

I just got my 'shipped' email from them

Also that looks like a good number of boxes, hopefully what happened with Dyst Wars 2.0 wont happen here and people who preordered 'only' a week before it came out wont have to wait for two more shipments like that from CB before their boxes arrive.

Dropbear Victim wrote:
Some of Australia's preorders of O:I have arrived. The Combat Company in Sydney I ordered from has pics up on facebook, and the pics are also reposted on the CorvusBelli facebook page.



Not long now til I have it in my hands!

Awesome news!

That's who I ordered with. Thanks for the news mate, it's made my night.

My Element games order just changed to 'Released to warehouse' Excited glee!

Regarding the shipping of Operation: Icestorm:

Firstly, the Corvus Belli team would like to thank you all for the patience you have demonstrated so far.

We are staying the course for now, and intend to ship out all Operation: Icestorm orders between the mid-September and early October, even though the challenge is proving formidable.

We made every effort to make Operation: Icestorm an appealing product, but your response has been overwhelming. The volume of sales has surpassed all our expectations, and we have had to revise our entire production plan. But fret not! All our models are manufactured in-house, but we have expanded our equipment and staff to accelerate production. We are even working Saturdays to make sure everyone has their Operation: Icestorm box as soon as possible.

Despite our best efforts, our limited output is forcing us to stagger the shipping dates. Purchases will generally be fulfilled in order of reception of payment. But let us assure you that no one will be left without their Operation: Icestorm goodness!

 Rick_1138 wrote:
My Element games order just changed to 'Released to warehouse' Excited glee!

Yeah, my order says "Collect from 16:00" I only live up the road, but I can't make it until THURSDAY morning.

DOHHHH.

 BobbaFett wrote:
The problem with Hackers is that Ariadna will always laugh at them.

The whole problem is that Technology (HIs, Remotes, TAGs...) requires Hackers, and at the same time Hackers are the extra vulnerability to technology.

Ariadna has no technology, therefore, they have less vulnerabilities.

That is a problem. Ariadna should cry for not having access to technology instead of being stronger for not having it.

Hackers should be able to perform attacks that are not only against Remotes, HIs & TAGs, they should be able to attack all objectives. Hackers should add more to the game.

I'm agree with the idea of Hackers being the Wizards in INFINITY. It works.

YES YES YES!! A barrel of vodka for this gentelmen please!

Right now ariadna laughs at other factions cuz the have one less thing to worry about and at the same time they have bonuses for being "handicap".

 Knight wrote:
The problem is how "lower technological factions" are given ample of tools to compensate and no real drawback, if the complaint was not having MSV 2 to ignore TO and ODD penalty, here comes new and improved MSV 1. We're not all that lucky to get viral, 6-4 with super jump and so on. Having a "technological advanced model" should give you something, other than worrying on yet another way how it'll be shut down. Most of the complaints how "useless" are currently hackers come from Nomad players, who coincidentally have only the best hackers in the game.

Ekhm... Aleph hackers arent so bad. Thing is we can have hackers everywere form Aguaciles to Intruders and Spectras....our REMs have repeaters and guess what? 70% of time I use it to put FO on something instead of actualy hacking....and thats just f* boring. So far I have been useing hackers with some degree of succes against Aleph and?........ Nomads! Yay!

And let others just "bear it", because only certain someone gets to have the fun?

My O:I was posted today from Firestorm Games, cant wait to see the minis.

Mine was also posted today from Element Games, so should come tomorrow or Thursday

Hacking having a specialized, order-intensive offensive side (and a low-cost, high-efficiency defensive side) is okay. But only so long as it does other things.

Hacking has an issue right now where the only reasons to take it are are because they are one of the few universally available specialist profiles often attached to a good combat stat-line, because you want to take remotes, or because you know the other guy will be carting in a lot of hackable units.

And even at that, if the other guy takes their own defensive hacker, offensive hacking suddenly takes an abject nose-dive in order efficiency for the opportunity to not actually kill something on its own. And of course it requires good access to repeaters that can be deployed efficiently, so suddenly your list starts to write itself instead of the other way around.

Hacking is something that, in the base game, is an order-inefficient niche tactic that seems to be around mostly in order to give a surcharge to remotes.

If N3 wants to improve on hacking, it needs to give us reasons to bring hackers along that don't rely on the other guys army or the specific format you play. To that end, it is my hope that hacking becomes something that buffs your own forces rather than just a straight means of offensive debuffs. Because if hacking is mainly used for buffing your own forces then it doesn't matter if you are facing down the Invincible Army or a 20-man Ariadna LI horde, the hacker you take will probably use their hacking device for its intended purpose. Offensive tactics/programs and remote unit unlocks should be the side-show to the force multiplier of having an on-site infowar specialist who can manipulate and streamline your tactical network in real time.

That's my hope at least. Making hacking something that one can splash in a force and still get tangible results from would be a nice change.

 IJW wrote:

 BobbaFett wrote:
Hackers should be able to perform attacks that are not only against Remotes, HIs & TAGs, they should be able to attack all objectives. Hackers should add more to the game.

Given how much the rumours have Hacking changing, I wouldn't be surprised to see some Hacking skills be useable against anyone.

One obvious speculation would be hacking comms and turning a unit irregular or something.

 Micky wrote:

 IJW wrote:

 BobbaFett wrote:
Hackers should be able to perform attacks that are not only against Remotes, HIs & TAGs, they should be able to attack all objectives. Hackers should add more to the game.

Given how much the rumours have Hacking changing, I wouldn't be surprised to see some Hacking skills be useable against anyone.

One obvious speculation would be hacking comms and turning a unit irregular or something.

So basically a jammer? Seeing hackers gain that would be kind of cool.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Hacking have a specialized, order-intensive offensive side (and a low-cost, high-efficiency defensive side) is okay. But only so long as it does other things.

Hacking has an issue right now where the only reasons to take it are are because they are one of the few universally available specialist profiles often attached to a good combat stat-line, because you want to take remotes, or because you know the other guy will be carting in a lot of hackable units.

And even at that, if the other guy takes their own defensive hacker, offensive hacking suddenly takes an abject nose-dive in order efficiency for the opportunity to not actually kill something on its own. And of course it requires good access to repeaters that can be deployed efficiently, so suddenly your list starts to write itself instead of the other way around.

Hacking is something that, in the base game, is an order-inefficient niche tactic that seems to be around mostly in order to give a surcharge to remotes.

If N3 wants to improve on hacking, it needs to give us reasons to bring hackers along that don't rely on the other guys army or the specific format you play. To that end, it is my hope that hacking becomes something that buffs your own forces rather than just a straight means of offensive debuffs. Because if hacking is mainly used for buffing your own forces then it doesn't matter if you are facing down the Invincible Army or a 20-man Ariadna LI horde, the hacker you take will probably use their hacking device for its intended purpose. Offensive tactics/programs and remote unit unlocks should be the side-show to the force multiplier of having an on-site infowar specialist who can manipulate and streamline your tactical network in real time.

That's my hope at least. Making hacking something that one can splash in a force and still get tangible results from would be a nice change.

That'd be phenomenal, but I doubt that's what is in store for N3 :-(

 Ronin_eX wrote:
If N3 wants to improve on hacking, it needs to give us reasons to bring hackers along that don't rely on the other guys army or the specific format you play. To that end, it is my hope that hacking becomes something that buffs your own forces rather than just a straight means of offensive debuffs. Because if hacking is mainly used for buffing your own forces then it doesn't matter if you are facing down the Invincible Army or a 20-man Ariadna LI horde, the hacker you take will probably use their hacking device for its intended purpose. Offensive tactics/programs and remote unit unlocks should be the side-show to the force multiplier of having an on-site infowar specialist who can manipulate and streamline your tactical network in real time.

That's my hope at least. Making hacking something that one can splash in a force and still get tangible results from would be a nice change.

Suppose you'll be able to FO target models with HD+. That's more than many will be able to do. Order intensity and not exposing yourself is a good trade as opposed to exposing yourself, imagine, if you'll be able to FO through marker in ARO. I'm really interested how they plan to make a competent Invincible Army so it doesn't get shut down by Interventors.

My Operation Icestorm just turned up

Mine just arrived. Have a look through for five minutes then time for work.

Same here haha. The models are amazing, and I love the little story at the start of the rulebook.

We have a thread about people getting their Icestorms down in the proper forum, take it down there please.

Picked up my copy from Combat Company. In the cupboard it went to get wrapped up for my nephews for Christmas.

 NuclearMessiah wrote:
We have a thread about people getting their Icestorms down in the proper forum, take it down there please.

That's a really good idea!

International forum is back online, now with it's own URL: http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/

Seems to be the same forums too. Not at all like the change in November 2012. This will end the Server errors? CB should celebrate by releasing a preview of something, like, oh I dunno, better photos of the Dactyl, or even better, Kasym Beg.

Any of you Brits going to the Wayland Games shindig this week-end? And one of you will be reporting all the details to us? Bostria has promised more news about N3.

Unfortunately not me, it's a 400 mile round trip along the busiest roads the country - and it wasn't announced very early. :(

 Red Harvest wrote:
Seems to be the same forums too. Not at all like the change in November 2012. This will end the Server errors? CB should celebrate by releasing a preview of something, like, oh I dunno, better photos of the Dactyl, or even better, Kasym Beg.

Any of you Brits going to the Wayland Games shindig this week-end? And one of you will be reporting all the details to us? Bostria has promised more news about N3.

Ill be there on sunday only for the second seminar lucky for me wayland is only 2 cities over so can go by train couldnt afford a hotel though and dont have any contacts to crash at, this time I will give correct info. Bringing my Bakunin fairlyhappy with the list 4 camo tokens, a riot grrl, custodier, sin eateater, daktari and morlock. Im really hoping for some more tenguska info after not seeing anything nomad related at the gencon seminar.

Also im finally on Dakka after lurking for years

I might be depending on if the misses can drive me or not. Traveling from near Romford shouldnt be to bad.

Erasoketa wrote:International forum is back online, now with it's own URL: http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/

Great, thanks for posting that!

Now, I wish they would update the scenarios section..

Mothman wrote:

 Red Harvest wrote:
Seems to be the same forums too. Not at all like the change in November 2012. This will end the Server errors? CB should celebrate by releasing a preview of something, like, oh I dunno, better photos of the Dactyl, or even better, Kasym Beg.

Any of you Brits going to the Wayland Games shindig this week-end? And one of you will be reporting all the details to us? Bostria has promised more news about N3.

Ill be there on sunday only for the second seminar lucky for me wayland is only 2 cities over so can go by train couldnt afford a hotel though and dont have any contacts to crash at, this time I will give correct info. Bringing my Bakunin fairlyhappy with the list 4 camo tokens, a riot grrl, custodier, sin eateater, daktari and morlock. Im really hoping for some more tenguska info after not seeing anything nomad related at the gencon seminar.

Also im finally on Dakka after lurking for years

Welcome to the forum Mothman! (Great username, I hope you will be using a photo of Richard Gere as your avatar? )

Would love to go the event but unfortunately the damned thing clashes with the NFL game at Wembley..

Does anyone know what the last 'new releases' were?

I can't remember...