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Hackers are going to be useful against unhackable forces such as Ariadna. Hooray! Like them being able to drop GML's on my dudes via forward observing through a repeater isn't good enough already...

I have just placed an order for a near complete Merovingian Sectorial. I knew I should have gone Haqqislam instead...

 Knight wrote:

Sensor Remotes
One of the ways that these remotes are being upgraded is that they will be armed with a Marker-like Sensor launchers called a 'Sniffer'. The idea behind this is that camouflaged troops will not be able to re-camo within 8" of the Sniffer, exactly as if it was a Sensor.

You guys have no idea how much and how long I wanted this to happen.

Im with you, cammo markers beware!

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Hackers are going to be useful against unhackable forces such as Ariadna. Hooray! Like them being able to drop GML's on my dudes via forward observing through a repeater isn't good enough already...

I'm pretty sure it's already been mentioned somewhere that everyone gets some way of resisting Guided Ammo, Hacker or no.

Dactyls are going to be linkable? Will this be like the Hafza in that they can attach to unrelated units? I'm unsure how useful a link team of Engineers would be.

Deny the witch guided ammo roll?

Some sort of dodge mechanic, greatly enhanced if you actually have the 6th sense skill?

 Absolutionis wrote:
Dactyls are going to be linkable? Will this be like the Hafza in that they can attach to unrelated units? I'm unsure how useful a link team of Engineers would be.

Nope, if they have the Dactyl character in the link, similar to Thorakitai and Alke or Myrmidons and an Officer.

 Alpharius wrote:
Deny the witch guided ammo roll?

Some sort of dodge mechanic, greatly enhanced if you actually have the 6th sense skill?

That's what would make sense. The philosophy behind N3 seems to be that almost all actions should be opposed rolls with only a few exceptions like being shot in the back or someone deciding to do a move-move in the face of ARO shots.

 Riquende wrote:
Too many hexes for my hyperpowered tastes (if they have to be there at all, they should line a coat).

easy enough paint so they are not noticeable.

A lot of the new N3 rules sound fantastic.

 Knight wrote:
Awesome and glorious find, thanks for sharing. Some really big changes. I'm rather bumped we're going to lack decent specialists, it's where the fun will be.

Yes, HMC on HI is coming for Yu-Jing.

I think that image of how that model might look is worth posting again, just for people who aren't aware how potentially awesome it could be..

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Hackers are going to be useful against unhackable forces such as Ariadna. Hooray! Like them being able to drop GML's on my dudes via forward observing through a repeater isn't good enough already...

I have just placed an order for a near complete Merovingian Sectorial. I knew I should have gone Haqqislam instead...

Yes, Haqq look mean. Barid looks simply amazing with new information.

I did have wonderfully malicious thought.

A miniature possessing the Sensor and Forward Observer Special Skills can mark a target outside his LoF (using his pertinent Short Skill), if he is within the Sensor radius of effect and the target has been previously discovered. In such a case, Distance, Cover, CH and ODD Modifiers will not be applied to the Forward Observer WIP roll.

Just a possibility this could stack with sniffler. Tovarishes let me paint you this glorious vision, imagine discovering a Spectre/Ninja that was hiding on a roof and simply sending a courteous GML on him or simply claim +3BS and send someone with MSV at him/her. I'm certain it's going to be order and point intensive not to mention risky, however the scenario sounds fun.

I think I just noticed the bipod stands on that Invincible. I wonder if we're going to get an Invincible in a "deployed" stance akin to a sapper.

Just noticed the hacking change. Yeah, that's sure to make Haqqislam and Bahram more popular. The Barid was already basically in all my Bahram lists as my lieutenant, but that change ensures he makes it into all of my vanilla lists too.

 Absolutionis wrote:
I think I just noticed the bipod stands on that Invincible. I wonder if we're going to get an Invincible in a "deployed" stance akin to a sapper.

Or on a 55 40mm base? Any word on that?

Barid rules. No notes on how an EVO remote might help here?

So to recap the announced releases, here are those available by Black Friday here in the USA, for those of you who like the extra discount some sellers give. (5% from the Warstore, for example)

Fusiliers SWC
Dactyls (Clearly, Dactyls do squats. Not the GW kind. Do an image search for squats. Possibly NSFW)
Kornak Gazarat
Kotail
Yojimbo (Yay! and again, this time with feeling. YAY!!)
Dog Warrior Box
Tokusetsu Butai box
Tokusetsu Eisei
Warcor (the not Magno version)
Kotail with Spitfire
Janissary HMG (aw yeah.)

The other announced stuff, for November, will be a week or two too late for Black Friday, but available for Christmas.

Kasym Beg (Going to wait the see the final Kum box. I can always use Bootleg Penny as Kasyma Beg.)
Hac Tao hacker. (Say it 3 times as quick as you can.)
Alguaciles SWC box
Combined Army starter box
Teucer the Agema warrant officer.

Budget accordingly.

Is Kaysm Beg actually a new character? Or have they just renamed Izzat Beg? Or is he Izzat Beg and Izzat was just a gang name or something?

Also the Sogarat HMG rescuplt is coming December.

The Dogged change is nice. Easier to explain, more useful, and less hung-up on meta-game concepts. It is simply something that gives you NWI until the end of the turn. This is a big boost to Ragik in any case. Should be interesting to see in play.

I'm loving the changes to Jump and Climb. By eliminating the roll they make them more useful and less random/capricious. Folks never use them in the current edition (and the few times I have seen them used by new players... they tend to find out quickly why no one else uses them) and that is a shame in a game where mobility is huge and 3D battlefields are encouraged. It is also interesting because such actions will (I suppose) no longer reveal camo models since they do not require a roll. Great change, speeds up play, and gives players more tools in the toolbox.

Generic remote changes sound nice. The ones that aren't TO HMGs tend to never see the light of day, so making them more versatile or cheaper should help things out. Sensor remotes especially sound great.

Hacking sounds like exactly what I was hoping for. More general tools and less of being a niche tool of aggression. Making them viable FOs (all of them) will be awesome on its own (and not too bad since guided munitions allow a dodge roll now).

I am glad to hear that ALL failed forward deployment rolls will function 100% the same. And I like the way it does it to. Scattering to a random position is horrible in terms of gameplay. It means that only the most obnoxious, spammy methods of utilizing advanced deployment will ever be viable. By shunting stuff to the back, we get two things. First, it inhibits people, say, spamming Daylami swarms as a primary board control tactic. Half of your Daylami shunting to the back of the board is much more damaging than a single TO infiltrator doing the same because that single TO infiltrator will have likely had a good order supply backing it and can get back in the game. The horde will have a slow time getting up to mid-field where they would have been handy.

The second boon is that it means that the act of attempting such bold maneuvers is no longer a death sentence to expensive units. AD3 was historically a very bad thing to attempt because you were likely going to scatter in to the open and get ARO'd to death without an ounce of cover. The consequence for failure is now hitting up your order pool instead of being a risk of instant death to the model. And while a temporary order pool setback is bad, it is much easier to stomach that than sending a 30+ point model down to the field only to see it immediately killed without getting to do anything.

And of course, by making it universal, they clean up a lot of the clunkier bits of the game (scatter was always a pain).

The Nimbus Grenade and terrain rules sound interesting. Forests being more than a visibility penalty means they have defensive worth even if the other side is bedecked in MSV2's. And the effect of Nimbus Grenades sound great for debuffing potentially dangerous fights (such as those between a unit an a TO remote). Should be interesting to see those in play.

And the changes to Close Combat special rules simply affecting FtF rolls is a big boost. No more countering a paid-for close combat special rule by declaring "I shoot/dodge in reaction". Always one of my least-liked parts of 2nd Edition, everyone basically got a free NBW-like rule against the initial assault and the only thing one could do is spend even more orders (smoke) in order to negate something every model has. But now? Once you are in close, you can make the other sucker hurt and unless they are a trained bad-arse (NBW), they don't get to dictate how the engagement goes on your active turn. This puts the power back in the hands of the aggressor and it is lovely.

Strangely enough, TheWarStore is offering Operation: Icestorm in a second wave with the preorder CSU Operative miniature:

http://www.thewarstore.com/product93647.html

 Ronin_eX wrote:
And the changes to Close Combat special rules simply affecting FtF rolls is a big boost. No more countering a paid-for close combat special rule by declaring "I shoot/dodge in reaction". Always one of my least-liked parts of 2nd Edition, everyone basically got a free NBW-like rule against the initial assault and the only thing one could do is spend even more orders (smoke) in order to negate something every model has. But now? Once you are in close, you can make the other sucker hurt and unless they are a trained bad-arse (NBW), they don't get to dictate how the engagement goes on your active turn. This puts the power back in the hands of the aggressor and it is lovely.

This is a good point about the MA modifiers on shooting AROs. I'm still not a fan of the idea, but I'm getting more used to it.

I think what I'm most afraid of is the pendulum swinging too far and we wind up with a 40k situation. I don't want to see Infinity turn into a game where it's better to run headlong at the enemy and hit them with your sword, but I am seeing the need to make CC units a bit more viable. They are paying for that ability, afterall. This really just makes it a bit easier to get into position to get your CC attack off.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Ronin_eX wrote:
And the changes to Close Combat special rules simply affecting FtF rolls is a big boost. No more countering a paid-for close combat special rule by declaring "I shoot/dodge in reaction". Always one of my least-liked parts of 2nd Edition, everyone basically got a free NBW-like rule against the initial assault and the only thing one could do is spend even more orders (smoke) in order to negate something every model has. But now? Once you are in close, you can make the other sucker hurt and unless they are a trained bad-arse (NBW), they don't get to dictate how the engagement goes on your active turn. This puts the power back in the hands of the aggressor and it is lovely.

This is a good point about the MA modifiers on shooting AROs. I'm still not a fan of the idea, but I'm getting more used to it.

I think what I'm most afraid of is the pendulum swinging too far and we wind up with a 40k situation. I don't want to see Infinity turn into a game where it's better to run headlong at the enemy and hit them with your sword, but I am seeing the need to make CC units a bit more viable. They are paying for that ability, afterall. This really just makes it a bit easier to get into position to get your CC attack off.

While I understand your concern (I once played Tyranids & Blood Angels so I know how CC can be), some CC specialists really need the help to close those final 4 inches.
Units like Domaru Butai, who absolutely dominate CC, but don't naturally lend themselves to link team and WB tactics need some help to close the gap.

Great write-up Ronin_eX, thanks for the time taken to write such a considered post.

Loki - I think there is such a massive gap in terms of how 40k and Infinity handle melee combat, really it's not worth considering. They could make much, much bigger changes than this and we still would be closer to Infinity 2nd edition than we would someone travelling in a tank to hit the enemy with their sword (to use an oft rolled-out 40k meme)

 Absolutionis wrote:
Strangely enough, TheWarStore is offering Operation: Icestorm in a second wave with the preorder CSU Operative miniature:

http://www.thewarstore.com/product93647.html

And I ordered it just the other day - my very first Infinity purchase after taking more than a year contemplating whether/how I would jump in. The ready-to-play starter set sealed the deal TBH. Can't wait to crack open that bad boy.

I too have ordered it , have been on the edge about getting into infinity.

 -Loki- wrote:
Is Kaysm Beg actually a new character? Or have they just renamed Izzat Beg? Or is he Izzat Beg and Izzat was just a gang name or something?

He's a new character, he has a different load out to Izzat. Izzat and Kasym are their names, and Beg is their rank, like 'leader' I think.

It seems that TheWarStore's offer with the special CSU mini just ran out.

http://www.thewarstore.com/product93647.html

The product is no longer listed as including it.

Glad I ordered when I did, got the last copy they had coming with the csu special , but their shipment is currently stuck in a government "safety" inspection 60 miles from them. Might not get them till next week to ship out .

Tinfoil hat time (GW is calling customs to report how "dangerous" this Infinity fad is )

And US customs has no clue what "GW" is, so they just hung up the phone. Seriously. Around here, GW means George Washington University.

Icestorm is a fantastic deal.

And for news, I noted this little quote from Killian of BoW on 2 October, "By the way we've just recorded the content for the 3rd Edition week and you guys are really going to enjoy it " So that is coming...eventually. Keep your eyes peeled.

 Theophony wrote:
Glad I ordered when I did, got the last copy they had coming with the csu special , but their shipment is currently stuck in a government "safety" inspection 60 miles from them. Might not get them till next week to ship out

Where are you getting this info., Theophony? I'm still waiting to hear anything beyond an order confirmation...

I called to double check that I got the csu special and the person on the phone told me as much. Looked up my order and confirmed that I will receive it. As for the U.S. customs it is what they are saying when you call and ask them and they also have it posted on their website discussing the delay on the main page from the warstore. As for GW calling customs.......that was me making a joke (hence the tinfoil hat statement ).

Posted by "Mallorca War Games".

The gun looks like Pan-O's, but that looks like nothing in the Pan-O line. So what the hell is it?

Best guess is that he's going to be a preorder model.