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I'm baffled why people continue to stay so interested in what Defiance is doing, with their past record...

 RiTides wrote:
I'm baffled why people continue to stay so interested in what Defiance is doing, with their past record...

Me too but it's like a train wreck; I can't help but stop in and look when I see this thread pop up again and again with a succession of one terrible model after another.

I think we keep hoping for the Battle Egg in the warstore, one day.

So it stands to reason that if people are clamouring for them, they should delay them as much as possible and "scatter-shot" their approach to product release.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:


This is what goes with the wheel seen previously. This is a test-cast, not a 3D printed object, from their reply to my question.

If the price is right that could be worth a buy.

A guy: You would make a mint. I just bought the dream forge accessory pack to customize your troops and my imperial guard troops. No one except forge world has done a universal vehicle stowage set.

Defiance Games: Sounds like a bunch of useless stuff to have to paint to me. And how much does that six wheel thing cost?

Defiance Games: Just an aside but we didn't add gas cans because they don't run on it!

Defiance Games: When we do a turret vehicle we'll load up on more options. This guy gets four different heavy weapon options per box.

A guy: Sixty bucks for 6 wheel thing but you get detailed turret and a bunch of different gun options.

A guy: Constructive criticism. I own two boxes of marines and two boxes of panzer grenadiers so I'm trying to take a cheap shot here.

Defiance Games: You'll get two of these in a box for $29.95.

Defiance Games: Sounds like a bunch of useless stuff to have to paint to me. And how much does that six wheel thing cost?

Is it me, or is Defiance again sniping at Dreamforge for no other good reason but the fact that their kits came out of WGF? And can I please decide if I want to paint all that useless stuff or not?

I don't think they're necessarily sniping at Dreamforge, just not understanding how cool and useful stowage is. They changed their tack a little later in said conversation.

That's definitely a step forwards for Defiance Games. It's the same sort of vehicle I once envisioned for the UAMC, but they have succeeded - so far, at least - in producing it as a physical product, instead of screwing it up in the conversion from concept art to digital sculpt.

Could this facebook post indicate Defiance has finally got it's act together ?

taken at face value it would seem so


Defiance Games

Hello Everyone! We just cleared out a huge backlog of orders now that the production team is running at full speed. If you haven't received a shipping notice please contact us at sales@defiancegames.com and we'll track it down for you.

(now on to the Hard Suits)

Looking at their latest photo, I think the vehicle could have done with being 10%-20% larger, but it's still damn good compared to the rest of their stuff.

 AlexHolker wrote:
Looking at their latest photo, I think the vehicle could have done with being 10%-20% larger, but it's still damn good compared to the rest of their stuff.

As you say, it could be larger for greater visual impact. I like my sci-fi vehicles BIG.

Still, it's perfectly in scale for a 28mm vehicle. The Defiance model looks to be a bit taller, but a touch narrower than a standard Hummer.

I wouldn't have thought it looking at the models but it seems you're right.

I just can't help but feel the doors are a smidge too small next to an infantry model. I don't think squirming is how you want to describe soldiers in full battledress coming out of their vehicle.

The problem being is that it should probably be compared to an MRAP, not an unarmoured humvee.

Well, I'll admit I do kind of like it. And I'll admit that I do like the concept design for the German mech. We'll see how they eventually turn out though once/if they reach production.

In other news, I FINALLY got my Germans shipped. I only ordered them back in October. You know, when they said they were in stock and shipping. At least I only needed to email them twice about it. But still, it shouldn't take nearly half a year to get something that was supposed to be in stock at the time. I hope to God that they've worked out the issues that plagued earlier versions of them. I'd rather not have an entire box of miscast, shrunken soldiers.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Could this facebook post indicate Defiance has finally got it's act together ?

taken at face value it would seem so


Defiance Games

Hello Everyone! We just cleared out a huge backlog of orders now that the production team is running at full speed. If you haven't received a shipping notice please contact us at sales@defiancegames.com and we'll track it down for you.

(now on to the Hard Suits)

They got a bit snippy with me, when I questioned whether or not all the pre-orders have been sent out. Have they?

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

I think the reason the vehicle looks so small is because the models have bases that make them a little taller and make them look a little broader. It looks really nice though.

^ Tell him you're from frothers, Chris, he'll love you after you say that.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I think the reason the vehicle looks so small is because the models have bases that make them a little taller and make them look a little broader. It looks really nice though.

I get that, but it does seem to be a hair smaller than it should be.

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ Tell him you're from frothers, Chris, he'll love you after you say that.

But I'm not though. Why, has Frothers forum just raked them over the coals?

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Frothers has not been sympathetic,

funny but not sympathetic

(not sure if the old thread is still there after it moved server hosts though)

Defiance Games just posted

"A UAMC squad "rolls up" on a small German detachment in their JRAB FAVs (Jack Rabbit Fast Armored Vehicles)

These will be available VERY SOON with two vehicles per set for $29.95"

For everyone saying I've been mean, I left a likewarm comment, " Two for $29.95 is a great price, although I'm wondering if Defiance games has a hazy definition of what "VERY SOON" means. I'd have to see more before I feel comfortable ordering."

I think that's reasonable.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Frothers has not been sympathetic,

funny but not sympathetic

(not sure if the old thread is still there after it moved server hosts though)

Links to the thread?

Also, in the old post on facebook, someone jumped in to whiteknight Defiance Games. Woah, look out, we got a badass over here

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Chris, you do seem to be making an effort to stir things a bit.

chris_valera wrote:
They got a bit snippy with me, when I questioned whether or not all the pre-orders have been sent out. Have they?

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

winnertakesall wrote:Chris, you do seem to be making an effort to stir things a bit.

Agreed. No doubt Chris raises a valid point, but the way he does it would rub any company the wrong way.

Chris,
If they were snippy, you snipped first. Honestly, I'm surprised they even let you post on their page.

Of course if they were going to act professional, they'd simply remove your comment, but then again, this is Defiance we're talking about.

Snippy. There, now I said it too.

 Eilif wrote:

chris_valera wrote:
They got a bit snippy with me, when I questioned whether or not all the pre-orders have been sent out. Have they?

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

winnertakesall wrote:Chris, you do seem to be making an effort to stir things a bit.

Agreed. No doubt Chris raises a valid point, but the way he does it would rub any company the wrong way.

Chris,
If they were snippy, you snipped first. Honestly, I'm surprised they even let you post on their page.

Of course if they were going to act professional, they'd simply remove your comment, but then again, this is Defiance we're talking about.

Yeah, but if they removed his comment that makes it look like they have something to hide.

As it stands now, you just have both sides looking like toolbags.

 Eilif wrote:

If they were snippy, you snipped first. Honestly, I'm surprised they even let you post on their page.

I know I'm like a two-year old, can't take me anywhere.

But I've posted good things about their products in the past. I praised the marines when I saw them in different color schemes, and I praised the new vehicle as well. I just doubted their ability to get it out, which is a fair opinion.

And if they can't handle the bad, then they're not too good at this social media stuff.

Everyone gets the reputation they deserve.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

The problem is that your tone is pretty nasty. Also, acting like a jerk and placing the onus on the other guy to "be the better man" is kinda childish, dontcha think?

 Xeno wrote:
The problem is that your tone is pretty nasty. Also, acting like a jerk and placing the onus on the other guy to "be the better man" is kinda childish, dontcha think?

He does it near constantly to anyone and everything, unless it's zombies.

I like checking in on Defiance like others to keep an eye on the trainwreck

 winnertakesall wrote:
Chris, you do seem to be making an effort to stir things a bit.

Lets not forget that he whines about some kits not being multi part, when 99% of all miniatures on the market are single piece models

 Xeno wrote:
The problem is that your tone is pretty nasty. Also, acting like a jerk and placing the onus on the other guy to "be the better man" is kinda childish, dontcha think?

Edited by AgeOfEgos

That's nothing. He must be aware of his company's reputation at this point, and how people see him on Frothers and TMP.

And I did post positive comments on some of his stuff.

It's not unfair to say I'll wait to see more, or that I'll only buy from a retailer when so many others are doing the same, based on their well-earned reputation.

Social media allows you to get feedback from fans, but surprise, surprise, feedback is not always positive. The book, MBA in a Nutshell points out most companies have a toll-free hotline. The hotline is technically free, but adds value to a company by letting them hear about complaints which may need to be rectified.

Social media allows you to have real-time interaction with customers and potential customers, but with it, come the potential for making a corporate faux pas.

Really I think Tony Reidy (or whoever is mannic their social media platform) is aware of the cash flow crunch this company must surely be feeling right now. My suggestion to spend a small amount of money out of pocket to fix the bases was a good one (if I do say so myself ) since no one in the market makes 30mm bases with the "GW-style" bevels. A small amount of money to fix a fairly serious ongoing problem, the quality of their castings. This is the one issue that's keeping me from buying their products, and I'm faintly certain I'm not alone. Those pictures of the bases looks woeful to me.

The Hudson's Bugs have such thin and spindly arms, and you need so many of them I don't know why they didn't just make them in plastic, aside from cost. They're good candidates since they are basic troopers, and need to be purchased in bulk.

Their reputation is also an issue. Like I said, they've earned their reputation, and people call them out on it. It will take some time of putting out quality product on schedule, without painfully dragging out pre-order times to repair the damage they've done to themselves.

For circumstantial evidence, look how the new Wargames Factory has started to put out quality product, on schedule, that people have responded favorably to, since Tony Reidy and friends left that company. This, plus the fact that Wai Kee Hui stated that the Reidy-run Wargames Factory was never profitable makes me believe it's Tony Reidy that's the issue, not Wargames Factory, and these responses on Facebook confirm it for me.

It's not all bitching about zombies guys.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Oh, this trainwreck again. I can't believe people still give these jokers their money; it's like throwing it away.

I was going to buy a heap of Marines when they were first released but didn't when they were still preorder and the website said they were in stock. If you can't be bothered to keep your information straight, I can't be bothered to give you my money...and I'm now most certainly glad I didn't.

I agree with Chris in that Wargames Factory seems to be doing much better now without Tony than it ever did with him (witness the partnership with Dreamforge) which is another strike against Tony considering he can't even supply people with product they pay for.