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 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Tube looks weird wrapping around the head, goggles look cool though.

Agreed

Where's the tube going after it wraps around the head though?

Yeah what was the plan for the wrap around hose?

I would think a respirator style unit with a hose would go straight down to a chest mounted rig, but honestly I don't know much about that kind of thing.

And agreed.

I can rework the hose anyway you want. I did that in particular to demonstrate a point. However that Tube ends up going whether back or straight down, it's going to be fixed in a certain position.

Will that not present a bit of a modeling challenge for people if they want to move the head around?

Well, the helmet and hose are cool.. but the goggles are so far from the look I need that I couldn't use them :/
I'm not going to cry about it though.. there's literally no way you could please everyone and it just looks like in this case I lose out.

As for the guy who posted up a load of swim goggles.. that's pretty rude man. I could post up a bunch of Fallout, Riddick, and Killzone pictures to prove that either look is valid but that would be childish

 mad robot wrote:
What about a hose for the mask? Should I just put a filter there or build out a hose to the back of the head?

Here's a chance for people have some direct input

Well, if you're going the Fallschirmjaeger look, why not go the whole hog and give them the correct gas mask? The integrated filter solves the "where does the hose go?" issues as well, though you could always make some variants later on down the line.




Making these also allows for some cross-compatability with historical WW2 figures (Warlord's range have separate heads) - which in turn opens up a new market for you and more options for both Sci-Fi and Historical gamers.



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 Barzam wrote:

why not both? Make some with thw hose, some with the filters. I also vote for round lenses on the goggles.

Nod. Filters with round lenses and Modern(ish) goggles with hoses. Win-Win!

@Mad Robot honestly all you need to do is make a flexible resin tubing separate from the head connected to a rebreather how the steel legion and death korps for instance have or like in the IG command sqaud just make the hose separate and itll work fine I use zinge industries for my casted SL heads I use the rope that looks alot like gasmask tubing its flexible so very posable and easy to work with but idk how you work with resin so idk if that is possible for you or not but worth a shot or as youve presented in the concept mock ups they look fine and as ive said you can always try to make the hosing flexible just a suggestion haha lovely work man truly love all the heads you do and ill be picking more up too I am going to make up a diorama hopefully shortly once money comes my way again:p but im using the drill Sargent heads from the personality pack and the marine heads making up an imperial marine corp lol had to watch full metal jacket again and it just inspired me and was calling my name if I get this project done i'd love to show you and everyone else if you'd like keep up the great work man and cant wait for the roll call!

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mad robot wrote:I can rework the hose anyway you want. I did that in particular to demonstrate a point. However that Tube ends up going whether back or straight down, it's going to be fixed in a certain position.

Will that not present a bit of a modeling challenge for people if they want to move the head around?

Just spitballing here, but what's the feasibility of getting the heads already attached to the torsos. That way you could have heads posed different ways with the hoses attached without having the hoses posing modelling problems. Somewhat like these guys, but more dynamic.



I know that poses a whole other set of issues.

MLaw wrote:Well, the helmet and hose are cool.. but the goggles are so far from the look I need that I couldn't use them :/
I'm not going to cry about it though.. there's literally no way you could please everyone and it just looks like in this case I lose out.

As for the guy who posted up a load of swim goggles.. that's pretty rude man. I could post up a bunch of Fallout, Riddick, and Killzone pictures to prove that either look is valid but that would be childish

Oh c'mon. I wasn't having a go at you. That post wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I had hoped over exaggerating things might have made that obvious.

Thanks for the good feedback. It would actually be a little bit easier to leave the heads attached to the torsos. It would give me the ability to do a lot more detail and add extra things like hoses and cabling.

Hmmm...something to consider, for sure.

@snrub - sorry, it read more as.. something else.. the internet has a way of destroying tone

There are a number of places already doing helmets with square lens and connected single lens. Yeah, there are a few doing separate round, separate rectangle too. Victoria even has the masks, goggles, helmet, etc.. all separated so you can put it together as you like... but aint nobody got time for that..

Secret Weapon already does a canister helm.. as do West Wind and a few other places. Puppetswar does a mask that's this type of helmet, separated lenses, but it's a little filter thing instead of a canister or hose. The masks in real life didn't always have a canister though.. sometimes there was a hose running to a pack. I think the problem is.. we're getting into territory of specificity. There are 5-7 people who are all looking for something that is "kinda like" the idea being tossed around. It sounds like most of us looking for this specific thing have seen Pig Iron and West Wind and all of the other places I mentioned.. and have held off because it was missing that specific element too.
For me.. I've been scouring the web to build a Helghast army.. which means I need that helmet with round lenses and a hose that wraps to the back of the helmet. For some others, they want what looks like dust goggles and a hose or canister, and yet another, wanting no lenses and I think a canister.

I think just collecting the specifics of what people are looking for.. determining what is already out there and what isn't will help a good deal.. but I don't know how Steve feels about name dropping all of these other manufacturers in his thread, but I also think he'd want to avoid making something that's already out there.

 Azazelx wrote:

 mad robot wrote:
What about a hose for the mask? Should I just put a filter there or build out a hose to the back of the head?

Here's a chance for people have some direct input

Well, if you're going the Fallschirmjaeger look, why not go the whole hog and give them the correct gas mask? The integrated filter solves the "where does the hose go?" issues as well, though you could always make some variants later on down the line.

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Making these also allows for some cross-compatability with historical WW2 figures (Warlord's range have separate heads) - which in turn opens up a new market for you and more options for both Sci-Fi and Historical gamers.



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 Barzam wrote:

why not both? Make some with thw hose, some with the filters. I also vote for round lenses on the goggles.

Nod. Filters with round lenses and Modern(ish) goggles with hoses. Win-Win!

Warlord already makes those heads though.

I get what some guys are wanting, I'm just trying to help point out that there's no real point for Mad Robot to do something if another company is already doing it. He needs something more unique (like the first render) to help make his product stand out.

Seeing the new render with the square goggles, I'm cool with those. I still say, do some with the hose, do some with the filter. Throw in a goggle up/goggles down for both types and we're good.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Warlord already makes those heads though.
I get what some guys are wanting, I'm just trying to help point out that there's no real point for Mad Robot to do something if another company is already doing it. He needs something more unique (like the first render) to help make his product stand out.

Really? I could only find Stahlhelm helmets with the WWII gas masks - not Fallschirmjaeger M38 helmets with gas masks. Could you link to them, please?
http://store.warlordgames.com/search?page=1&q=heads&type=product


Completely different helmets, as you can see when compared to the one that Steve has shown.

 Snrub wrote:
Just spitballing here, but what's the feasibility of getting the heads already attached to the torsos. That way you could have heads posed different ways with the hoses attached without having the hoses posing modelling problems. Somewhat like these guys, but more dynamic.



I know that poses a whole other set of issues.

This looks like an ideal option for incorporating hoses. Your main danger is making them look too similar to the torsos of other companies' models. If that's considered "safe", then I say go for it.

Close enough

You get where I was going with that though right?

Uh, yeah. You entirely missed my point, and rather deliberately so because you personally want the Steel Legion rip-offs and apparently don't think that both types can be made.

Would it still be "close enough" if he changed the helmet to a Stalhelm but added modern goggles and the hose? Thought not. So maybe don't be a dick about things?

 Azazelx wrote:
Uh, yeah. You entirely missed my point, and rather deliberately so because you personally want the Steel Legion rip-offs and apparently don't think that both types can be made.

Would it still be "close enough" if he changed the helmet to a Stalhelm but added modern goggles and the hose? Thought not. So maybe don't be a dick about things?

Wasn't trying to be a dick, didn't mean for the post to come across that way, just chill.

And yes, I totally want some Steel Legion proxies

 MLaw wrote:
@snrub - sorry, it read more as.. something else.. the internet has a way of destroying tone

Nah mate, it's my bad. I wasn't really thinking when I wrote that. I got a bit excited by the prospect of getting decent not-Steel Legion heads and ended up going a wee bit gaga. I should have known better then to think that everyone would understand the "meaning" behind my somewhat loony post. Especially when it was as undecipherable as it was.

Reading back over it now, it does sound a little... vicious. For which I apologise.

I was going to suggest a couple of things that have all ready been mentioned, this way it could solve most of the problems (not the goggle issue though ) more posing aspects for the miniatures.

The torso and head attached eliminating the posing issues concerning the hose attachment, then a head sprue with a filter which would allow the converts out there to remove it and attach a hose if they wish.

This would allow options and an alternative look without to much upheaval, just thought

Will you consider a set of legs with a short coat tail to complete a certain styled look.

Whoa, you're a passionate bunch . Opinions need to be tempered with patience here folks. Let's try and stay on topic

I think the suggestion of connected torsos may be the way to go on these, with a head set available separately with just a filter attached for conversions. I do have plans for a full range of related parts, I don't know if I'll Roll Call them or just release them peacemeal.

As for the render I posted, everything is, more or less, a placeholder. I can change out and redesign most of the elements if needed, like the goggles. I will continue to work on these soon, right now I have a lot to do to get ready for the DaNamian Roll Call next week.

Thanks for offering up your opinions, we can return to this exchange in a few weeks

The last WIP had the goggles that I wanted do to me it looked great. Goggles up and down is also a great idea.If it has a filter instead of a hose np I can work round that,I in fact prefer a filter instead of a hose that wraps around the head just because it would be easier to convert.

I found a LOT of rebreather/mask-tube inspiration here:
https://www.google.com/search?q=scuba+rebreathers&client=firefox-a&hs=7ec&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=7RMKU4e_OunsyQGv3YH4CA&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg&biw=1575&bih=764

All I ask is that if you do end up making a set with round goggles and a hose.. do a batch of "regular grunts" where they are all down.. THEN do a batch of assorted up and down, mask on mask off, whatever..
Maxmini has some Fallschirmjaeger-esque helmets and there are one or two that I want but he only offers it as a mixed bundle.. so I would have to order 30 sets of those..
I don't know how feasible it is to do both but I really hate it when I need a type of helmet but it's mixed in.

Anyway.. I actually logged in to post about the Danamian stuff Tropic Thunder has been playing on FX and it got me stoked on this .. I trust the Mad Robot will make them head to toe legit

 MLaw wrote:
Tropic Thunder has been playing on FX and it got me stoked on this .. I trust the Mad Robot will make them head to toe legit

Nice! I'm getting stoked as well...I hope peeps will like what we have in store.

As for the heads, the hoses thing makes these a particularly special case so I will try to make sure I cover all the bases.

 lone dirty dog wrote:
The torso and head attached eliminating the posing issues concerning the hose attachment, then a head sprue with a filter which would allow the converts out there to remove it and attach a hose if they wish.

I think this is probably the best way to go, plus makes both hose and filter camps happy.

Are the Danamians going to have an M-60 equivalent? It's not a proper 'nam line without at least one guy firing an M-60 one-handed. Hmm, I wonder if I'd be able to make a Danamian Reb Brown?

There will be some surprises...I can say nothing more until March 1st.

I really like the idea of combined head and torso. Will allow for some nice pose options without having to fiddle about with separate hose lengths.

I'm very firmly in the 'Steel Legion conversion' proxy camp too, hence why I want the larger goggles. What sort of torso would you be doing?

I'm not sure yet, these are still very much in the planning stage. I want to keep the iconic pouches down the side of the torso, apart from that I'm undecided.

Considering the pouches hang down below the waist line, it may even be worth producing single piece bodies, including legs. While this would reduce how modular the figures are, it would allow for greater detail and require less moulds across the range.

In that picture there the belt he is wearing is up above his belly button, well above his waist. To me, the pouches look like they end at his waist. So going by that picture the legs and torso/head could still be separate and you'd get to keep all the pouches without losing customisability.

Completely depends on how they're worn. Also, the height of each soldier will come into play.

Ah ok yeah I see.

Could still be done I think. Keep the legs separate from the head/torso (headso? tead?) then have some legs with pouches around waist level and some torsos with pouches. That way you could have men with heaps of pouches, some with a few on the chest or "hanging" from the belt, etc etc.