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When's Alpharius/Omegon happening, or have they already been done, but just disguised themselves as one of the other primarchs?

Also great work.

Mozzyfuzzy wrote:When's Alpharius/Omegon happening, or have they already been done, but just disguised themselves as one of the other primarchs?

Also great work.

Hehe I am not sure. Alpharius and Omegon can be a bit tricky due to their super stealthy way of working etc. I will need to do a lot of research on them and find some other rules as a starting point I think.

Perhaps something along the lines of trazyn's ability. where the trazyn you just killed was just lychguard 347# or whatever.

Mozzyfuzzy wrote:When's Alpharius/Omegon happening, or have they already been done, but just disguised themselves as one of the other primarchs?

Also great work.

I agree, Varden has finally done justice to the Primarchs, in my not so humble opinion! haha
Most of the time I'm not a huge fan of primarch rules but these ones really embody what the Primarchs are all about. They're super fun to playtest as well.

Mozzyfuzzy wrote:Perhaps something along the lines of trazyn's ability. where the trazyn you just killed was just lychguard 347# or whatever.

Now that sounds cool. I know you can't post rules text on Dakka but would you mind elaborating further? Like, does he appear elsewhere with only 1 wound? I'm not familiar with the new Necron codex as I sorta took a break from 40k for these past few months.

I agree, Varden has finally done justice to the Primarchs, in my not so humble opinion! haha
Most of the time I'm not a huge fan of primarch rules but these ones really embody what the Primarchs are all about. They're super fun to playtest as well.

Mozzyfuzzy wrote:Perhaps something along the lines of trazyn's ability. where the trazyn you just killed was just lychguard 347# or whatever.

Now that sounds cool. I know you can't post rules text on Dakka but would you mind elaborating further? Like, does he appear elsewhere with only 1 wound? I'm not familiar with the new Necron codex as I sorta took a break from 40k for these past few months.

I think the rule I am going to use is that Alpharius/Omegon is a sort of 'meh' hero, but he is almost impossible to kill, meaning that he may get a few re-births in other squads etc, as you simply killed a look alike. Probably about the strength of a regular CSM chosen or commander grand poo-bah type guy, but he can basically re-appear in any squad after he is killed, replacing the sgt of that squad in a JK jk jk lol you didn't actually kill me sort of way haha. Still not so sure though.

I other news, I competed Sanguinius, and both Fulgrim forms (daemon and primarch) as well as Warmaster Horus. Also, this is sort of a team effort now, as Vladsimpaler is running a few tests and 'duels' between primarchs as I write them. He has also provided a very solid base for many of the Chaos primarchs so yay! I will be adding in the new primarchs shortly. PLEASE CHECK THE ORIGINAL POST FOR THE UPDATES. I will simply be re-editing this list and posting it as the original post. Thanks!


-VardenV2

VardenV2 wrote:

I agree, Varden has finally done justice to the Primarchs, in my not so humble opinion! haha
Most of the time I'm not a huge fan of primarch rules but these ones really embody what the Primarchs are all about. They're super fun to playtest as well.

Mozzyfuzzy wrote:Perhaps something along the lines of trazyn's ability. where the trazyn you just killed was just lychguard 347# or whatever.

Now that sounds cool. I know you can't post rules text on Dakka but would you mind elaborating further? Like, does he appear elsewhere with only 1 wound? I'm not familiar with the new Necron codex as I sorta took a break from 40k for these past few months.

I think the rule I am going to use is that Alpharius/Omegon is a sort of 'meh' hero, but he is almost impossible to kill, meaning that he may get a few re-births in other squads etc, as you simply killed a look alike. Probably about the strength of a regular CSM chosen or commander grand poo-bah type guy, but he can basically re-appear in any squad after he is killed, replacing the sgt of that squad in a JK jk jk lol you didn't actually kill me sort of way haha. Still not so sure though.

That sounds good. Possibly just give him Chaos Space Marine lord stats? Like WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A4 LD10 SV 3+/5++. Though I could see him having a 2+ save and possibly 1 more WS and BS, since they're -still- a Primarch.

Gonna be very difficult to balance since he can just reappear at will, even though it makes sense with his fluff

Kind Regards,
Vladsimpaler

Alpharius was a frontline leader so he could be an IC hero type, but less fighty and can do the respawn.

Omegon led a crack team of Black Ops/Spec Ops marines. I would make him an upgrade character for Chosen.

Deadshot wrote:Alpharius was a frontline leader so he could be an IC hero type, but less fighty and can do the respawn.

Omegon led a crack team of Black Ops/Spec Ops marines. I would make him an upgrade character for Chosen.

This sounds like a really cool idea, making Omegon an upgrade character for Chosen (and possibly also for Sternguard) would be fun. I'll ask Varden about it, however what would you think of having Alpharius and Omegon as HQ and upgrade character choices (Respectively) for both Space Marine and Chaos Space Marine forces, since they're all over the place?

Yes.

Also, I believe they had a problem with Guilliman so a "Legion Tactic" type thing ciuld be Preferred enemy UM?

All these suggestions sounds cool. I'll be sure to take them under consideration. I am probably going to be running soem test games before completing more primarchs, but thus far everyone is up to snuff.

I have done two "duels" between Lion and Russ and it is split one win each. I think the tactics against each primarch etc are very good. Flexibility and player choice is important. For example, using 2handed vs primarchs for lion's sword is a HUGE advantage as he can get those d3 wounds stacking up if he's lucky. For Russ, it's best to use lots of attacks to get his rage filled up, then unleash them all with a powerful weapon like the axe... kills people good! haha.

I also believe that Vlad has been running a few tests with Sanguinius vs Horus and it came out pretty even considering points. We toned down Sanguinius slightly, but Horus was ultimately the winner iirc.

Hopefully more to come thsi week/weekend!
-VardenV2

I think Sanguinius should also have Dante's Tactical Prescision. It means him, and his unit don't scatter when deepstriking, as long as every model has DoA.

If so, even if not, he should DEFINATWELY have descent of angels.



Al;so, could you change some of the powers of his spear? Right now, I feel that it is too much like the SDpear of Russ.

Maybe an option for a single, all powerful attack that removes from play if it hits?

Hey guys, I added in Corax of the Ravenguard and Perturabo of the Iron Warriors. Please take a look at the original post for their stats.

Comments, questions, concerns etc are always appreciated! Thanks!

-VardenV2

I think Dorn's Fist of Dorn should be renamed as it is also the name for Lysander's hammer.

For Corax I think the Surestrike should be revised as it is a little OTT.

Ok, so with the new rumored release of the Forge World Heresy era models, including Primarchs, I have taken another look at these rules and have decided to go ahead and finish them and edit them for 6th edition! Vladsimpaler and I have alreayd begun re-reading everything and changing a few rules and adding a variety of new abilities for all primarchs. Most have to do with challenges, challenging, and commanding squads, warlord traits etc. Things that were not in 5th. Also, updating all of the primarch weapons to be at least AP2 so they are ignoring all armor (as they should).

When I get a new set of rules I may start up a new 6th edition thread and leave a link at the top of the post. OR I can continue to edit in here as well.

-VardenV2

VardenV2 wrote:Ok, so with the new rumored release of the Forge World Heresy era models, including Primarchs, I have taken another look at these rules and have decided to go ahead and finish them and edit them for 6th edition! Vladsimpaler and I have alreayd begun re-reading everything and changing a few rules and adding a variety of new abilities for all primarchs. Most have to do with challenges, challenging, and commanding squads, warlord traits etc. Things that were not in 5th. Also, updating all of the primarch weapons to be at least AP2 so they are ignoring all armor (as they should).

When I get a new set of rules I may start up a new 6th edition thread and leave a link at the top of the post. OR I can continue to edit in here as well.

-VardenV2

I would say make a new thread to post them in since they're going to be an entirely new beast. :3
Plus the rules that you and partially I made are gonna be waaaay better anyway haha

very cool list. cant wait to see the revamp for 6th

Vlad, or anyone else, is there a way I can save my pages document as a PDF and link that for the thread? All the pretty pictures and formatting I have used really make it easier to read etc. If not, I can just copy paste and re-edit etc.

-VardenV2

VardenV2 wrote:Vlad, or anyone else, is there a way I can save my pages document as a PDF and link that for the thread? All the pretty pictures and formatting I have used really make it easier to read etc. If not, I can just copy paste and re-edit etc.

-VardenV2

I know that you can just export to PDF with open office and with word. You should be able to do the same with Pages as well. I haven't used Pages in a while, there should definitely be an option for it though

@Hrontore Da Death Bringer- If you like these then you'll love the 6th edition ones, the revamps have given the Primarchs even more character and personality.

Updated Horus for 6th Ed

Horus the Warmaster, Traitor

Type: Infantry (unique)

2000 points (apocalypse only)

WS9 BS9 S9 T8 W8 I9 A8 Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear:

The Black Armor: This is a suit of Terminator armour. It also grants a 3+ invulnerable save. All failed saving throws may be re-rolled.

Mantle of the Warmaster: All Chaos units that can draw line of sight to Horus are Fearless.

Talon of Horus: This is a melee weapon. It is AP1, and has the Armorbane, Specialist Weapon, Shred USRs. It contains a ranged weapon with the following profile: Range 30 Strength 5 AP 2 Assault 4 Fleshbane, Shred

Mace of Tranquility: This is a melee weapon. It grants Horus 1 attack at Strength 10 AP1 with the following USRs: Instant Death, Unwieldy, Armorbane.

Trophy racks: Horus causes Fear to all units, even those normally immune to it.

Special Rules: Independent Character, Fearless, Extremely Bulky.

Primarch: Horus has the Eternal Warrior USR, and is immune to 'remove from play' or similar effects. He counts as having assault grenades. He has the Smash, Feel No Pain, and It Will Not Die USRs.

Chosen of Chaos: Horus is a Psyker with Mastery Level 5. He has access to the Divination, Telepathy and Telekinesis Lores. He generates 5 spells, and can choose them rather than having to roll randomly. In addition, Horus counts as an Icon.

Blessing of Khorne: Horus has the Rage and Furious Charge USRs, and his Deny the Witch rolls are passed on a 2+.

Blessing of Tzeentch: Horus has access to all the Tzeentch spells in C:CSM, and is immune to the effects of Perils of the Warp: if double 1s or double 6s are rolled, the spell is cast normally without any ill effects. In addition, all successful Deny the Witch rolls against Horus must be re-rolled.

Blessing of Slaanesh: Horus has access to all the Slaanesh spells in C:CSM. He has the Fleet USR, and can perform a Sweeping Advance despite wearing Terminator armour.

Blessing of Nurgle: Horus has access to all the Nurgle spells in C:CSM. He can re-roll all failed Feel No Pain and It Will Not Die rolls.

The Vengeful Spirit: Horus' flagship is designed for orbital assault. All friendly teleportation deep strikes do not scatter. All friendly reserve rolls can be re-rolled. Once per game, the controlling player may fire a lance bombardment with the following profile: Range unlimited Strength D AP 1 Heavy 10 Large Blast Ordnance Armorbane

I have got as far as Horus. Fantastic work so far and well balanced.

My comments are that Corax should gain Stealth and also have only 1 Lightning Claw but have his Whip as well.

Vulkan should be able to re-roll 1 Invulnerable Save per turn like Horus and be impervious to all Melta and Flamer weapons.

Besides that great work!

phantommaster wrote:I have got as far as Horus. Fantastic work so far and well balanced.

My comments are that Corax should gain Stealth and also have only 1 Lightning Claw but have his Whip as well.

Vulkan should be able to re-roll 1 Invulnerable Save per turn like Horus and be impervious to all Melta and Flamer weapons.

Besides that great work!

Thanks for the comments! I was wondering about Corax's weapons, so I imagined it would be something like Shrike but super beefed up. Does anyone know what his whip does? Is it like a Tyrant's whip? Or would it be like a super fast power sword etc to let his caw work? Not really sure how to proceed.

I was thinking about giving him stealth, but I didn' really see a need to as he already has a 3+ invulnerable save. He's not really going to need to take cover saves etc and MOST/ALL of his cover saves would be a 3+ or worse anyway.

Also, I do appreciate the posting of other Primarch stat lines, but unless they are changes for MY primarchs in this thread I'd prefer them not to be included. If you want to make your own rules that's fantastic but the rules posted above are pretty much nothing similar to mine and don't really serve a purpose. Also, I think they are WAAAAAAY too good. The one good factor they bring up is the immune to 'remove from play' etc. I will allow Primarchs to be immune from strength D and remove from play effects, instead taking an additional wound or d3 wounds. I sort of forgot that a titan or lucky Jaws of the World Wolf could just suck them up haha, and we don't want that to happen haha.


Lastly, the new 6th edition primarchs will be coming soon. I still have a few traitor primarchs to work on :/

-VardenV2

CalasTyphon216 wrote:Updated Horus for 6th Ed
-snip-

Also Varden I'm going to start running tests for the new Primarchs and let you know how it's working. So far they definitely read as pretty balanced from what you've sent me. They may need to be recosted a bit higher since now they have Warlord traits, can ignore charges, and so on.

I would say change Dorn's Fist to a Sword. Every time they have talked about him in the Lore he has a Sword, that is what he used in the Horus Heresy. He broke it over his leg when the Emperor's fate at the hands of Horus was told to him. The next sword he has is now given away at a Swordsmen Contest that is held between all the Successor Chapters of the IFs (with the IFs obviously there too).

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:I would say change Dorn's Fist to a Sword. Every time they have talked about him in the Lore he has a Sword, that is what he used in the Horus Heresy. He broke it over his leg when the Emperor's fate at the hands of Horus was told to him. The next sword he has is now given away at a Swordsmen Contest that is held between all the Successor Chapters of the IFs (with the IFs obviously there too).

I was not aware of that. That's awesome. I may change his chainsword to that sword then, as I find a power fist to be very appropriate for him, but I have always seen him depicted as having a chainsword. Hmmm, I will consider, or maybe just make his chainsword a power sword with AP2 like the other primarchs or something? I just wanted to add a little more variety in armament etc. I could also do a Guilliman approach and let him choose a few weapons. W/e I'll figure it out. Thanks for all the tips

-VardenV2

I think russ should be able to take Freki and Geri, and give them stats of a cyberwolf or fenrisian wolf but with Freki +1 strength and Geri AP2

Bro you're way off base. The standard number of wounds for a primarch is 6 as is the number of attacks.
Seriously talk about nerfs. They're more expensive than the forgeworld rules while being worse.
Also Mortarion has 7 wounds and 7 toughness, before being a daemon. Keep in mind those stats are conservative and meant for standard 40k.
Way off base.

 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:
Bro you're way off base. The standard number of wounds for a primarch is 6 as is the number of attacks.
Seriously talk about nerfs. They're more expensive than the forgeworld rules while being worse.
Also Mortarion has 7 wounds and 7 toughness, before being a daemon. Keep in mind those stats are conservative and meant for standard 40k.
Way off base.

Speaking of being way off base, this thread is over a year old. How did you not notice the date before you responded?
I'm one of the people who helped work on these Primarchs and yes they're not as good as the FW ones.

Simply put 40 K has changed a lot since these rules were written. And to be honest they were pretty good but I agree that the FW ones have improved in some cases. However in some other cases I think that the ones that we wrote are better than the Forge world ones.

So why don't you relax and not worry so much about something that was written over a year ago.

 Vladsimpaler wrote:

 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:
Bro you're way off base. The standard number of wounds for a primarch is 6 as is the number of attacks.
Seriously talk about nerfs. They're more expensive than the forgeworld rules while being worse.
Also Mortarion has 7 wounds and 7 toughness, before being a daemon. Keep in mind those stats are conservative and meant for standard 40k.
Way off base.

Speaking of being way off base, this thread is over a year old. How did you not notice the date before you responded?
I'm one of the people who helped work on these Primarchs and yes they're not as good as the FW ones.

Simply put 40 K has changed a lot since these rules were written. And to be honest they were pretty good but I agree that the FW ones have improved in some cases. However in some other cases I think that the ones that we wrote are better than the Forge world ones.

So why don't you relax and not worry so much about something that was written over a year ago.

I just noticed this was on the first page so I figured it was recent. My apologies.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Didn't he have Gorechild and Horefather and give Child to Kharn? I think he broke Father so he got the Black Blade.

No. Kharn built Gorechild himself for himself.

Not true

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gorechild#.UijbzMu9KK0

Holy thread resurrection, Batman! Not sure if it was worth the over 1 year necro.....

Lucarikx