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 Manchu wrote:
Nice catch. Also makes sense that they used a X-Wing novel cover considering the game is definitely using characters from there. Maybe the MacQuarrie art will make it but it seems a little strange because, at least in this example, the art doesn't have much to do with the rule -- just emhpasizing that it's the shuttle Vader took from the Executor to the DS2.

Wouldn't be the first time FFG used that piece of art, actually.

Don't we get howls of outrage when GW reuses art?

(at least from some)

Ah, but some companies can't do wrong and some companies are just pure evil no matter what they do.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Don't we get howls of outrage when GW reuses art?

(at least from some)

I think it's only when the art in question is extremely old and it's disliked artwork. FFG reused artwork of daemons from Warhammer: Invasion in Relic. Nurglings, greater daemons, beasts of Nurgle, all reused.

I think the "Howling" is more in reference that GW reuses 95%old art in a new book that put 2 new rules and 2 new pieces of art in and ask 50+ dollars for it. FFG may be reusing some art. But 5% recycled material and 95% new stuff doesn't seem to bother anyone.

fair enough

re-use of good art IS a lot less annoying than reuse of stuff you'd rather see replaced

I actually enjoy the re-use of art in the X-Wing miniatures game and the Star Wars LCG. We've been doing silly mess around games where the LCG represents the galactic scope and the miniature games are our crucial battles. A little nonsensical, but the re-used art ties it together.

The shuttle pic is already in use with the SW LCG, so I assume it could be thre real thing.

Problem with ST:
X-Wing ships are in scale, ST ships are not. This happens when you reuse the same casts for the umphtenth time. Also one would have to rewrite the ST stats, since a Galaxy would be value-wise be quite close to a X-Wing.

I'm not sure, despite his abilities...I could field Vader in this style of game. Fluff-wise it just seems out of place. :-P I'm a fluff-whore, what can I say?

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
The shuttle pic is already in use with the SW LCG, so I assume it could be thre real thing.

Problem with ST:
X-Wing ships are in scale, ST ships are not. This happens when you reuse the same casts for the umphtenth time. Also one would have to rewrite the ST stats, since a Galaxy would be value-wise be quite close to a X-Wing.

X-wing ships are in scaleish.. the a-wing and y-wings are certainly not right, especially the a-wing, it is about 30% bigger than it should be. Not particularly consequentional but the ships aren't 1:1 with each other for sure though generally speaking they are in quite similar scales.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
X-wing ships are in scaleish.. the a-wing and y-wings are certainly not right, especially the a-wing, it is about 30% bigger than it should be. Not particularly consequentional but the ships aren't 1:1 with each other for sure though generally speaking they are in quite similar scales.

That's disappointing... and exactly what put me off buying WotC's starship expansion when it was released.

 insaniak wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
X-wing ships are in scaleish.. the a-wing and y-wings are certainly not right, especially the a-wing, it is about 30% bigger than it should be. Not particularly consequentional but the ships aren't 1:1 with each other for sure though generally speaking they are in quite similar scales.

That's disappointing... and exactly what put me off buying WotC's starship expansion when it was released.

FFG X-wing game is more to scale than the crappy WotC game.

Meh it's a nit-pic really... if the a-wing was real sized it would only be marginally larger than the cockpit area of a Y-wing... it takes almost everyone a while to notice, the only thing that gives it away is the canopy sizes respectively. If you knew right away you are either hyper observant and ocd or you have committed comparative tech specs to memory lol.

It's not perfect but it does work, honestly not a deal breaker. They aren't going to put out a star destroyer that is 12 inches long for the game or anything like that (it should be in the neighborhood of 20 ft)

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Meh it's a nit-pic really... if the a-wing was real sized it would only be marginally larger than the cockpit area of a Y-wing... it takes almost everyone a while to notice, the only thing that gives it away is the canopy sizes respectively. If you knew right away you are either hyper observant and ocd or you have committed comparative tech specs to memory lol.

It's not perfect but it does work, honestly not a deal breaker. They aren't going to put out a star destroyer that is 12 inches long for the game or anything like that (it should be in the neighborhood of 20 ft)

Even the Corellian Corvette from Kenner that others use is VERY offscale to the fighter-class vessels. You figure the X-wing was 12.5 meters long and the CR90 Corellian Corvette is 150 meters long.

So if the miniature is 1.5 inches long(somewhat close I hope?), that'd make the CR90 18 inches long. Massive! Heh.

Even the smaller Victory-class Star Destroyer would come in at 9 feet long.

Swap shop here I come!!!!
[H] $$$$ [W] 9-foot long Victory Star Destroyer model!

the kenner one I ordered just got in (corvette), and it is 16", close enough in my book!

 insaniak wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
X-wing ships are in scaleish.. the a-wing and y-wings are certainly not right, especially the a-wing, it is about 30% bigger than it should be. Not particularly consequentional but the ships aren't 1:1 with each other for sure though generally speaking they are in quite similar scales.

That's disappointing... and exactly what put me off buying WotC's starship expansion when it was released.

It's also not true. FFG worked with Lucasarts to establish the "official" sizes of all of their ships and scaled them from there.
If their are discrepancies (and the A-wing is definitely one that seems wrong if you stare at it too much) it's because other media hasn't used those measurements.

The overall scale for every X-Wing ship is 1:270 and Lucas/FFG went to extrem lengths to get the size right.

Sadly there are many wrong infos out there.

A-Wing and X-Wing are quite right... Problem is you virtually never see them side by side in a hangar and in space size without reference points is a huge problem....




Oh and while we are on it:

It is NOT true that the Falcon is the largest model to be released. Falcon and Co are middle-sized ships, there are larger ones to come. Wonder who give birth to that stupid rumor.....

Not quite true boys, I don't mean to start a (friendly mind) debate here, but look at the pilot models in the individual ship props, you can easily distinguish the sizing from them, the a-wing is most definitely a tiny ship...





This is a pretty accurate representatino of size if you ask me, cockpits, r2's and pilots all scale about right -

What part isn't quite true?
FFG based their scale off the official sizes that Lucasarts gave them. That may or may not match up with other scale evidence (and it obviously doesn't when it comes to the A-wing, but there was debate over the "official" size before XWing existed) but it's still the reality of the situation.

 plastictrees wrote:
What part isn't quite true?
FFG based their scale off the official sizes that Lucasarts gave them. That may or may not match up with other scale evidence (and it obviously doesn't when it comes to the A-wing, but there was debate over the "official" size before XWing existed) but it's still the reality of the situation.

It doesn't really matter why the ships are out of scale... The fact that they are is still just as disappointing.

Except that, officially, they aren't!

Ultimately we're talking about millimeters here, not two X Wings being longer than a Mon Calamari Cruiser.

Are you not interested in the game but wanted some nice SW ships then insaniak?

PlasticT I don't doubt the source you are referencing, I think I read it too... I just think somewhere, somehow, Lucasarts got it wrong if the ships are that off compared to other representations of them and my own eyeballs of course.

Even if Lucasarts says it is right, doesn't mean it is, all depends on whether or not you will take their words in a singular instance as gospel or trust a mountain of evidence otherwise. That being said, the set size of an A-wing, who knows, I just know it is smaller than that to my eye.

regardless no need to get into it we can just agree to disagree and get back on point here -

The point being -

Insaniak, perfect scale or not, you HAVE to get into this game if you are a SW fan and a fan of great games!

 plastictrees wrote:
Are you not interested in the game but wanted some nice SW ships then insaniak?

No, I'm interested in both. I've been wanting a decent Star Wars ship game since forever... but the ships being to scale is a big issue for me. As I said, it's why I passed on the WotC game. The game itself can be as awesome as all heck, but the scale being off spoils the visual impact of it. And regardless of what Lucas or FFG may list as the 'official' measurements, going by how the A-wing is actually shown, it is out of scale. Obviously somewhere down the line someone got something wrong.

Not sure why it's such a big deal for ship games ( I would have a similar objection to a Star Trek game (which I would also very much like) with dodgy scale) while the rather 'loose' scale in 40K doesn't bother me as much... but there you have it. Sometimes brains are weird.

 insaniak wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
What part isn't quite true?
FFG based their scale off the official sizes that Lucasarts gave them. That may or may not match up with other scale evidence (and it obviously doesn't when it comes to the A-wing, but there was debate over the "official" size before XWing existed) but it's still the reality of the situation.

It doesn't really matter why the ships are out of scale... The fact that they are is still just as disappointing.

It could be a retcon. They made the model for Return of the Jedi and later decided it was improbably small for a hyper-drive capable fighter craft.

The A-wing in that picture is smaller than Luke's landspeeder.

I'm (somewhat) with Insaniak and MT11 on this. Feth, I know they want (small) ship boosters at a flat €14,95 pricetag; I know scaling the A-Wing and Y-Wing entirely correctly is going to see A-Wing buyers up in the pitchforks over that; I'd just bloody well have liked to see the cockpits actually scale nicely with each other - I'd have liked to actually see a plethora of ship sizes. And hell, I'd have bought an A-Wing just the same, really. Now it's just too big even being the smallest ship so far and it's a bit of a shame.

OTOH they couldn't very well have made the A-Wing much smaller anymore (not much of a mini left anymore then) and the Y-Wing is already a pain in the neck to get into compact foam transport solutions on it's stand and the YT-1300 would just not have been feasible anymore.

I see why they had to call this the 'official' scale but yeah, it looks off and that's a bit of a bummer.


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RogueRegault wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
What part isn't quite true?
FFG based their scale off the official sizes that Lucasarts gave them. That may or may not match up with other scale evidence (and it obviously doesn't when it comes to the A-wing, but there was debate over the "official" size before XWing existed) but it's still the reality of the situation.

It doesn't really matter why the ships are out of scale... The fact that they are is still just as disappointing.

It could be a retcon. They made the model for Return of the Jedi and later decided it was improbably small for a hyper-drive capable fighter craft.

The A-wing in that picture is smaller than Luke's landspeeder.

Really though, the A wing is basically a cockpit and a couple of missiles bolted onto an engine. Realistic life support has always been a handwavium issue in star wars.

I was the first in my group to comment on the size of the A-wing. If you check Wookiepedia (sigh) the "official" length is 9.5m I think while fans have determined that is should probably be closer to 7m, which sounds about right for how far the FFG A wing seems off by.
I remember reading something about differently sized props being created for the A wing initially, which is meant to explain the size confusion, but I can't remember where that was.

Anyway, the game is wicked fun. The scale really is very close, even if you don't accept Lucasarts dimensions as being the one true gospel despite the evidence presented to your eyeballs, you should be able to correct any discrepancies with a microwave and a hammer.

Maybe don't do that.

Actually, I suspect a microwave shouldn't hurt your precious hard-to-find minis all that much. I've found a hammer to be more suitable for those trickier rules disputes, though

Here's some more discussion of the A-wing scale:
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/951013/what-is-the-size-of-the-a-wing-mini/page/2

On an unrelated note someone just bought four Star Wars Miniatures A Wings on Amazon...

 plastictrees wrote:
despite the evidence presented to your eyeballs

If the average camera adds 5 to 10 lbs, maybe the average ILM camera distorts the viewing angles?

Annnnnd I just ordered 5 Star Wars Miniatures Starship Battles a-wings .

I saw that thread before but that first shot was a photoshop, only looking down did I see there were actual models that scale too! Insaniak git'on it man, scale perfect, that was the only one!