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 MajorTom11 wrote:
I only imagined before too... unfortunately my imagination did not keep up with my spending... ridiculous...

It does tend to accumulate, even with more moderate purchasing like I've done. I find that keeping the tally in my sig helps to keep my collection in the moderate/reasonable range. Even with only 2 of each non-starter small ship and one medium each, the total climbs up and up with each wave especially if you add in some of the extras like custom foam, plastic templates, and toy corvettes.

What put me over the edge on whether to buy X wing or not is that I can do the following, provided that I make copies of the official dials (and some quickie flight bases) which like I said is easy for a modeller:

-I can buy just one starter, and have enough proxy models (from Micromachines, Starship Battles) to field both X-wings, and 4 of the six TIEs.

-With only one copy of the Y-wing, TIE advanced, TIE Bomber, and A-Wing boxes, I personally have enough proxy models to field all the variants they come packaged with simultaneously.

-There is a cheap model kit out there that is within about 10% of the scale of the Millennium Falcon, so I can paint up a generic transport (to fill an idea for a pirate squadron) and field two ships at a time from one box.

-You can buy three really cool looking Z-95 Headhunters from Shapeways for 18.99 in the best quality plastic option, and there are enough homemade cards/bases posted on BGG to field at least 4 simultaneously.

Granted, even though the proxy ships (aside from the Shapeways Z-95's) won't be nearly as good as the actual FFG models, that is a damn cheap way to play friendly games at home of X-wing.

Shapeways is terrible and grainy, I wouldn't put too much stock in that. Paying 10 bucks for a shapeways ship that is 20X worse quality than the 15 dollar FFG ship is not worth it in my opinion...

It would only be for Headhunters, because I haven't heard anything about FFG having any thoughts on making them, and they bring back tons of X-wing VS. TIE Fighter nostalgia. I don't have any experience with Shapeways, but the price I quoted is for the best quality plastic option (not the super cheap flexible plastic option). Supposedly people are pleased with stuff in that material. I thought about buying a single ship just to try out the service.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
-snip-
What has this taught me?
All I really needed to buy was –

2 cores 70

1X xwing 15
2X awing 30
2X Ywing 30
1X Bwing 15
1X Falcon 30
1X Hawk 15
135 rebel

2X ties 30
2X interceptor 30
2X bomber 30
1X advance 15
1X Firespray 30
1X Shuttle 30
165 imperial

1X toolbox with trays 30

If you play your cards right, ordering all at once or only a few times, then your shipping should be between 5 and 50 bucks…

Total – 400.00 on the nose. (450 if shipping required)
+ 2 hours unpackaging and popping tokens.
-snip-

Not to make you feel worse, but buying all of it from Miniature Market, free shipping at $99 would be:

2 cores 53.50

1X xwing 10
2X awing 20
2X Ywing 20
1X Bwing 10
1X Falcon 20
1X Hawk 10
90 rebel

2X ties 20
2X interceptor 20
2X bomber 20
1X advance 10
1X Firespray 20
1X Shuttle 20
110 imperial

Total 253.50

Well there ya go.

Pretty much everything you could ever need, for 253.50. Add in another core for 2 ore ties and an x-wing, pick up 1 more firespray and falcon, 320.00, boom done, everything you need period.

I think it's important to note thought that you can have a lot of fun with this game for £50-£60, or even just the starter pack for that matter, just so people coming to this thread and with no idea about X-Wing don't get the wrong idea!

In fact, at what points value do things start to become a bit clunky, considering that 100pts seems to be considered a standard game size?

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Well there ya go.

Pretty much everything you could ever need, for 253.50. Add in another core for 2 ore ties and an x-wing, pick up 1 more firespray and falcon, 320.00, boom done, everything you need period.

Now you just need to find a time where it's actually all in stock and not have to get it piecemeal from different sources thereby paying shipping multiple times. That part has been a big issue for the past year as you yourself know.

Yup that was a big part of the expense... buying too much stuff, and endeavouring to get rid of everything cardboard was the rest that did me in lol...

Actually, one of my buddies...he has spent about $60 so far, and loves it (a basic set, and I think an a wing or something).

Thats plenty for him to play. The rest of us addicts...I mean, gamers have plenty of other ships.

Xwing is a great game as it does have a low buy in (an issue with 40k) and easy to play.

(on an unrelated note, the shapeways ultra frosted detail is fine for minis, its just prohibitively expensive, unless you really want that custom ship/part and are not good at scratchbuilding at that scale).

 jah-joshua wrote:
i don't really think you should consider the painting time to be lost hours, MajorTom, since you made the ships look much better than they do out of the box...
you did drop a stupid amount of cash on some silly plastic space ships, though...
idiot...
just kidding, bro...
pewpew

cheers
jah

Nice

But totally agreed about the painting! Tom, your fleet is actually what tempts me about the game- you made those things look amazing! Time well spent modelling-wise, imo

 Pacific wrote:
I think it's important to note thought that you can have a lot of fun with this game for £50-£60, or even just the starter pack for that matter, just so people coming to this thread and with no idea about X-Wing don't get the wrong idea!

In fact, at what points value do things start to become a bit clunky, considering that 100pts seems to be considered a standard game size?

I do think that 100 is a pretty sweet spot... Rebels get 3-4 ships with some upgrades and the Imps can have anywhere between 3-8 depending on build. At this point, I've only bought first wave (and one A-wing) and I'm having a pretty good time playing with my buddy and a tournament. You don't need much more than the a copy or two of the basic set and 1 or 2 expansion pieces to play in any 100 point tourney. That being said, you can have a blast with the base game!!!

I haven't played at larger than 100, but I'm pretty close to having enough for a 2 on 2, 100 points per player battle.

 skrulnik wrote:
Not to make you feel worse, but buying all of it from Miniature Market, free shipping at $99 would be:

Free shipping is for Americans only, so all non-US, including Tom, who is Canadian, will still be paying through the nose for shipping from them.

 BrookM wrote:

 skrulnik wrote:
Not to make you feel worse, but buying all of it from Miniature Market, free shipping at $99 would be:

Free shipping is for Americans only, so all non-US, including Tom, who is Canadian, will still be paying through the nose for shipping from them.

I am aware of Tom's location, and can see your flag as well.

My point was to the large number of US located Dakka members posting in this thread about the cost.

Are you saying there are no free shipping web stores outside the US? That sounds unfortunate.

Actually prices in Germany are quite cheap compared to the rest of the world.

My breakdown is this:
2 core ($80)
2 X-Wing Boosters ($30)
2 TIE Boosters ($30)
3 Y-Wing Boosters ($45)
2 TIE advanced ($30)
4 A-Wings ($60)
4 Intercepters ($60)
2 Falcons ($60)
2 Firesprays ($60)
2 B-Wings ($50* shipping from Gencon)
2 Bombers ($30)
1 Moldy crow ($15)
1 Lambda ($30)

Selling 3 ships on eBay for double value though means I can take $45 off my total. So $535 in total. And since B&N gave me 10% off, as does my current game store, that $535 is the maximumI spent. Not as bad as I thought. Guess I'll get that second lambda and third bomber/b-wing tomorrow.

Loving the new elite ships, will be after a couple of boxes of those for certain.

Oh, also of note... I play X-Wing with my 5 year old... Granted, we don't use any of the abilities or asteroids, but he sure loves shooting down my ties.

I started small and will try to repaint one millenium falcon... Seen some vids on you tube about stripping the thing but W&N brush cleaner seems to melt the plastic... Anyone has stripped this one with good results?

I think this is going to be a really dangerous game to get into so I did not order the starter... For now XD

I also intend to introduce my 6 year old into this game in the future.

I know I'm going to spend serious money on this.

I had been good, and only slowly added purchases monthly since release... I figured that compared to my wife and I keeping up Warmachine and WH40k armies, this game would be cheap... and in a manner of speaking it was.

I ended up with 2 cores, and two of every Wave 1/Wave 2 ship, and thanks to internet prices, etc... that was only about $300 worth of stuff, and provided four players with plenty to have a fun night of gaming...

Problem was, I got "new army" greed, and sold it all to fund some more of our main-game purchases. Thing is, because of how many restocking problems FFG has had, and at the time, the obscene mark-up on Wave 1 ships, and Tie Interceptors, I actually sold it as a lot for just under $500.

The lesson I learned...? I'd rather not have taken the profit. X-wing is a hell of a game, and really fills a hobby niche as something I can play quickly and casually with way more folks, or my hardcore friends in a quick-quick session.

Now i'm having to rebuild a whole collection, and being on the other end of restocking issues, sucks. :-p

This has been my very verbose way of saying folks really need to give this game a shot. I'm not snobby enough to say my other table-top minis games are better, just because this tends to be more "simple". Ultimately its as i've always said, the best "gateway drug" EVER for this hobby. So many folks have grown comfortable with "those games where you don't have a board and have to measure stuff?" thanks to this one. :-)

Anyone know where I can get a hold of a Y-Wing without paying through the nose for it? Or any clues as to when we are getting a re-stock?

That's the only ship I don't have so far and my collector's OCD is killing me

I just bought into the game last night, and aside from the Wave 4's, my game store had several A-wings, Y-wings, TIE Interceptors, and just a single TIE Advanced, which was the one I nabbed (to balance out that I have two X-wing proxies at home). I had to get the core set on the way home at Target, though, as my LGS was completely out. Wierd.

Right now I am hard at work making homemade dials and ship cards, as I really hate how the ship cards are double sided. I came up with a 75 pt force of two Obsidian squadrons, Dark Curse and Maarek Stele in the advanced, but Dark Curse is on the opposite side of the Obsidian cards, and I can't fly the Rookie/Red Squadron pilots with Biggs for the same reason ...single-sided would have been so much better.

Tom!

Don't type it out and put it on paper!

Just like I tell the FLGS guys when I decline my receipt: "plausible deniability". If the wife doesn't have proof of the total I'm in the clear!

The latest Worlds End Radio podcast talks about X wing for a fair bit

nothing earth shattering but they seem to enjoy it if anybody needs any more convincing to get in on the fun

http://worldsendradio.com/?p=243

(46 mins to 1hr 14 mins)

I would just really like of the next wave had Z95 Headhunters in it. It's too hard to convert ones from existing models, and people say that Shapeways is too fragile, even if the detail is acceptable to the buyer.

Also, packs of bases sold individually like the dice would sell like freaking hotcakes.

Agreed. I was frankly hoping for a "best of the EU" wave before any pure repaints were done. TIE defender, Z-95, assault gunboat, and E-wing would be my top four candidates. Even doing quasi-repaints like the similar but different clone wars angular y-wing or TIE avenger would be cool.

But repaints don't take up CAD/tooling time while diff. models do. My educated guess would be this is something they do "as well" as working on 'new' ships; you just know many of us will happily pay up $30 for a variant box, which has cost them all of a few afternoons to fix the paint schemes, a new box design and the publication of a few 'variant' rules which probably were playtested the first time around anyway and just got cut because there's only so much space.

It's basically high-margin easy money on the side without the need for a major development effort.

That's true. It's game development, but very little model development, other than setting up a plan for the new paint scheme intsead of the standard.

And as I'm just barely getting into the game, I will probably wait to get an Interceptor or two and just get the Aces pack instead, as the paint jobs are really great on top of everything else.

I still want my Headhunters and Assault gunboats, though!

 Bolognesus wrote:
But repaints don't take up CAD/tooling time while diff. models do. My educated guess would be this is something they do "as well" as working on 'new' ships; you just know many of us will happily pay up $30 for a variant box, which has cost them all of a few afternoons to fix the paint schemes, a new box design and the publication of a few 'variant' rules which probably were playtested the first time around anyway and just got cut because there's only so much space.

It's basically high-margin easy money on the side without the need for a major development effort.

I agree with the facts stated above but my preferences for new-ish fighters (like avengers instead of interceptor repaints) stands.

That is true. Aside from new cards, I can always repaint a ship to be something unique to me.