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 Vitruvian XVII wrote:
Man i absolutely love those gauntlets. Sure theyre not that reminiscent of batman, but jesus h christ, theyre badass epitomes of 40k

Im not too sure about the pose tbh. It looks pretty static, and the way the head and right arm line up looks a bit off, sort of unatural. What about having him crouching on something, with the cape as it is, but droppping off the ledge? Like if he was crouching on a little stone plinth or something. The iconic batman crouching with cape pose ala:

Spoiler:

Aaaaah... I see what you're talking about now.

-Chop the straight leg off and rearrange it
-Get the rock off his other and bend it inward
-Put him on some sort a funky broken pillar with the cape hanging off, right?

... damn... I might as well repose him - the upper torso is restrictive, one shoulder up to hold the staff (see original model)... I might as well chop him at the waist, turn him inward so his raised shoulder is forward, and have him grasping the ledge with his other hand in the classic pose... except it'd be mirrored using the Chaos Lord.


-Remi

I think you already have quite a classic pose with the legs, standing on a gargoyle and looking out over gotham, a bit like this


Static is good too sometimes, it looks quite commanding - like the unmodified Chaos Lord pose. Maybe drop the arm to his side and bow the head slightly?

By the way I feel we have missed the opportunity to say Grimdark Knight.

 Bruticus wrote:
I think you already have quite a classic pose with the legs, standing on a gargoyle and looking out over gotham, a bit like this

Spoiler:

Static is good too sometimes, it looks quite commanding - like the unmodified Chaos Lord pose. Maybe drop the arm to his side and bow the head slightly?

Hmm... this might be easier, and I've got a Scibor base in mind to use for this too. Less chopping. I'll probably have to do some solid work on the raised shoulder and cape below, but not half as extensive as repositioning his legs and putting him on an raised base. I'll stare at the mini for a bit and wait for it to "talk" to me this evening after (late) work. That usually does the trick. I originally envisioned using the standard Chaos Lord pose, tbh, and saw it in there. Kinda "lost it" after seeing him put together.


Actually, I think my favorite thing about all this is that we can deliberately post awesomesauce pictures of the Batman on Dakka...

For reference, of course.

Bruticus wrote:By the way I feel we have missed the opportunity to say Grimdark Knight.[/

WIN! Next update is gonna be tne Grimdark Knight!


-Remi

Good afternoon, Dakka! Just a quick update, as most progress was sawing/chopping, sanding and GS repair on this figurine.


I decided to stick with the static pose, no chopping of the legs to reposition. I sanded down the raised shoulder, and cut off the upper-arm 'nubs' plus some cape in order to have more flexibility in posing his arms to my liking. I'll be GSing armor onto those nubs before cutting them into shape to recieve his gauntlet/hands. I've also added a spacer to give him more neck-room, allowing his head to be bowed down. Without it, he's sunk into the mega chest armor, which I don't want either.



I've decided that the final pose will be staring over (insert dingy Hive World area here) from atop the classic gargoyle. Problem is, I don't think I have any spare great-eagle/griffon heads in my collection to make iconic stone gargoyle. Will head to my parent's home to peruse my brother's early-90s unpainted WHFB chaos collection for something appropriate. Or buy the Island of Blood High Elf Griffin rider for about 15 bucks plus S&H.


The pose I'm taking inspiration from was posted by Bruticus earlier on this page, but it'll be very close. Anywho, that's it for now. I'll have new updates on Monday. Happy Friday, everyone!

-Remi

That's looking really good. He's going to be one bad ass dark knight! What will he be standing on? How hard was it to remove the raised detail?

Zwan1One wrote:
That's looking really good. He's going to be one bad ass dark knight! What will he be standing on? How hard was it to remove the raised detail?

Thanks for stopping by and the compliments, Zwan!

For his base, he'll be on something concrete-smooth, edged off before the actual edge of the base. Raised leg will be on some sort of stone "gargoyle" ruin, to simulate him looking off the edge of... something. Like a building.

In terms of removing the raised detail, a combination of knife for most of the bigger chunks, then files, then fine sandpaper made pretty quick work of it. It does make it much easier if you know exactly what's coming off and how you want whatever is leftover to look like..

Thanks again, next update will be Monday, where I hope to be finished with his shoulder pads, upper arms and added cape. Should be pretty much complete... or so I hope.

-Remi

I had a feeling it wouldn't take long to start seeing that Chaos Lord showing up in Inquisitor, though I certainly didn't expect him to change into the Grimdark Knight either. I like what you've done with him so far, and looking forward to seeing the finished pose- whether you end up basing him on a gargoyle or not. Have you considered if he'll have a sidekick? An Ogryn in classic Robin attire perhaps?

 xeno99 wrote:
I had a feeling it wouldn't take long to start seeing that Chaos Lord showing up in Inquisitor, though I certainly didn't expect him to change into the Grimdark Knight either. I like what you've done with him so far, and looking forward to seeing the finished pose- whether you end up basing him on a gargoyle or not. Have you considered if he'll have a sidekick? An Ogryn in classic Robin attire perhaps?

Thanks for stopping by, Xeno! In terms of sideki… er, retinue, I actually have thought of making more of the Batman fam and Rogues’ gallery to attend him. Red Robin is going to be next – I put the basis image of him on PG 4. Him, or Arkham Asylum “Venom Joker”, or Bane… or regular Joker. Hell, I don’t even know – too many to consider, and I’ve got a backlog of guys to paint before the gaming starts, so Batman might be a single vigilante figure… for now. -> for the image of an Ogryn tearing out of his green tights and a red button-up 8 sizes too small...

And I’ve got a new update on him! He’s very nearly complete- I GSed some stumps over his brass rod arms and put armor on them. Here’s the progress below.

I basically finished him on Sunday night. I put chainmail around his arms, then put a bit of plate over his shoulder pad. I’m thinking his head will be bowed and slightly turned to one side or the other, favoring his open side as seen here. Also added a grappling chain to help complete his utility belt. I’ve GSed it already to fit more naturally (plus covering the arm-seam), but I didn’t take an updated picture.



Then, I tore off his bolter-arm (wire and all) in disgust. From the front, he looks… odd. Like he has an additional shoulder on top of his natural one thanks to that cursed raised-arm I’ve been working on. Actually, look at the previous post, front pic. See how his arm is out a bit too far? He must have an armpit you can fit a head and a half underneath…


I’ve decided to drill a wire at a deeper position while chopping off more of his original arm-stub. The red circles represent what it looks like with his additional shoulder. The red line is where I’m thinking of cutting even deeper into the cape, as I want to make the raised arm “tucked in”, a bit like a karate horse stance. So I cut off the cape, a bit of the gauntlet to make it fit, GS an arm tucked in, then GS the cape back over the arm and chain blade gauntlet when I’m satisfied with the look of it.


That’s it for now. After that, it’s time to finish his other pauldron with a styled bat symbol on it (needs skeletal batwings) and the head, plus GS around the neck-base. Comments and critiques are always welcome!

-Remi

Wow… 1000th post…

I wish that I had something memorable to post/say for this, but frankly, I can’t think of anything witty or cool to say. So instead, I’ll focus on my work on the Grimdark Knight (thanks, Bruticus, for the name… damn thing’s stuck in my head since ) and a bit of fluff for him I wrote before starting the model, as I haven’t written anything fluff-related for our Vanaheim Campaign in a while.

But I know how bad it is to have to chew through a block of text to get to pictures, so how bout half now, and half later? I’m very nearly done with the GDK, a bit of work here and there (been saying this for ages now) and I just want to know if anyone has a preference for his head being left or right, as I’m having a hard time deciding.

First off, head tilted RIGHT –








From the Ashes

The story of Duke Caestus Kain begins and ends much like any of the millions of wealthy citizens burdened with too much time and money. Born with every wish fulfilled, he lived in the highest spire, cavorted with the most noble and scheming of women, and pursued any enterprise he wished - his fortune assured several lifetimes over.

The privileged life, however, was never good enough for Caestus. To entertain himself, he sought diversions elsewhere- mainly, the dark corners of his father’s empire where few nobles dared tread. It was in the underhive fight circles that his future mentor, Inquisitor Aurand, caught wind of his reputation and witnessed him methodically dismantling a man beyond recognition for a handful of geld and food coupons. The cold detachment and brutality he showed in the ring impressed Aurand, who introduced him to the darkside of the Imperium – the secret world of the Inquisition as a mere henchman. It was at this moment that the Duke had died, and Inquisitor Kain was born.

The inquisitor quickly found out that Caestus was not only strong, but well-connected, cunning and extremely intelligent. When not being taught the way of the sword, the firearm, or the heretic, he spent his time studying the tactics of the Astartes from the loose records of the Heresy. In particular, he studied all he could find on the tactics of the Night Lords, an obsession allowed and some say, encouraged, by his mentor. After years of tutelage under Aurand, he was officially bestowed rank within the Inquisition, from which point all record of Aurand, Kain and their retinue become sporadic, erased from Inquisitorial history for the next few decades.

There are few records of Kain visiting various Deathwatch garrisons around the outskirts of the Imperium under Aurand’s orders, and fewer details still that he sought out particular Black Shields within those garrisons. Several other sparse records name Aurand’s transport en route to hiveworlds with particularly large criminal elements. And interspersed with these visits are those to the Manufactorums for the Cult of Mars, though his purpose for doing so at the time was unknown. Whatever his reasons, Caestus Kain emerged after his hiatus of inactivity alone, wearing his master’s rosarius and a hulking suit of black combat armor that earned him the title of “Black Knight”.

Kain’s exploits as the Black Knight are nearly as numerous as the complaints lodged against him from within the Inquisition. Some claim he uses the Inquisition and his fortune to connect himself to the criminal element as his eyes and muscle, spreading his infamy to all corners of Imperial space. His methods are described as cruel and oft times excessive, but clinical and extremely “intimate”. The charnel house that was the Silver Moon cult’s stronghold left in his wake is a memory burned into the minds of Solstice's populace. When most others would have used explosives to level the base with its occupants within, the Black Knight systematically infiltrated the base for a fortnight of “fun”. Arbites found that the cultist-citizens were stalked like wild game, then hung: bodies upside down sans skin, skulls and spines in intricate patterns throughout the hold. The screams of pain and pleas for mercy never stopped during the hunt, but everyone, including the local enforcement, knew better than to step foot inside the building before the noises ceased. The sheer scale of his brutality during episodes such as the “Blood Moon Massacre” have caused many in the Inquisition to believe he is and always has been tainted, though none would risk a confrontation by making such an accusation in his presence.

Many of his fellow Inquisitors have gone after him to find proof and have him finally declared Excommunicate Traitoris. Too often his hunters find themselves in the midst of larger threats just before they catch the sinister Black Knight. Morever, the heretics and their operations are often on the verge of collapse or implosion, and no Black Knight to pursue further nor take the credit. These “broken threats” enhance the fierce reputations of the Inquisition’s finest, but one has to wonder.

Is it coincidence that the Black Knight is constantly found in the midst of crippling greater intrigues against the Imperium, despite his known “scorched earth” tactics? Or is it a deeper layer, leading his pursuers-turned-allies into battles knowing this is the only way they would come to his aid?

Only time will reveal his purpose on Vanaheim…

And now, LEFT –






So…? Which one? Left or Right? My preference leans slightly to the left/open side, but I’d just like a second opinion (or three) before gluing the head into place. Thanks for stopping by, comments and critiques are always welcome! Next up, more painting of figures... or, I might pick up some bits for the next member of Inquisitor Kain's retinue.


-Remi


**EDIT** - WHOO HOO!! LEVEL UP! Now I'm a... ghastly grave guard? Maaan... kinda liked the 'Wraith' title better, actually.

Absolutely adore your models, especially your Black Knight and his lore. Bloody brilliant.

 megabambam wrote:
Absolutely adore your models, especially your Black Knight and his lore. Bloody brilliant.

Cheers, megabambam! I'm glad you like the fluff and the models. Stay tuned... I really want to get this guy glued/based so I can paint him and move onto the next figure in his retinue.

Stay tuned, more fluff and pics to come! By the way, head tilted RIGHT or LEFT?

-Remi

I am no fan of batman or the whole superhero-schtick but this my friend, is pretty brilliant.

Angle the head to the right, it will give the model a stronger feeling of movement and direction since it faces outwards in a more searching or virgilant pattern. If you angle it left it will, due to the pose of the body and the spread of the arms, make the pose more defensive and introspective, as if observing something rather than searching for something and as such rendering the piece passive. So go Right.

Awesome model. The only problem is that Batman never uses a gun, that's kinda his thing...

You know, I am really feeling conflicted about this model:

- Im not especially fond of the general idea of a "40k Batman" (and as a matter of fact, Night Haunter already filled that role...)
- But your conversion is totally awesome...
- ...as is the fluff: a really nice way of fleshing out the character!

So while the concept really shouldnt work, you took it and ran with it. Brilliant job! Of course you'll now have to do a 40k-ified Joker as well...

Wow... 3 responses from 3 members whose sculpting and kitbashing I frequently look at and use for inspiration. Thank you, gentlemen, for stopping by!

STC_LogisEngine wrote:I am no fan of batman or the whole superhero-schtick but this my friend, is pretty brilliant.

Angle the head to the right, it will give the model a stronger feeling of movement and direction since it faces outwards in a more searching or virgilant pattern. If you angle it left it will, due to the pose of the body and the spread of the arms, make the pose more defensive and introspective, as if observing something rather than searching for something and as such rendering the piece passive. So go Right.

Thanks, STC, for the advice! Big BIG fan of your Alphas - and eagerly awaiting your Alt-Drake. I've never thought of it that way - I'll review the model again, as I've got some mock pieces to put his feet on.

master of asgard wrote:Awesome model. The only problem is that Batman never uses a gun, that's kinda his thing...

Thanks for critique, Master of Asgard! I actually have your bi-dent harlequin sculpt bookmarked for reference...

You're right... but is this Bruce Wayne reincarnated in 40K? Or a psychotic noble whose obsession with the terror tactics of the Night Lords and iconography led him to mold an appearance that just happens to resemble a 20th-21st century holo-media legend for adolescents?

KrautScientist wrote:You know, I am really feeling conflicted about this model:

- Im not especially fond of the general idea of a "40k Batman" (and as a matter of fact, Night Haunter already filled that role...)
- But your conversion is totally awesome...
- ...as is the fluff: a really nice way of fleshing out the character!

So while the concept really shouldnt work, you took it and ran with it. Brilliant job! Of course you'll now have to do a 40k-ified Joker as well...

Thank you very much, KrautScientist! Just for the record -> it was looking at YOUR kind of blog (you guys know who you are), who convert/kitbash with such ease and use GW parts as the primary focus that made me challenge myself to go in this direction.

The fluff was actually the first thing to come(even before the Chaos Lord released), although I posted it near the end of the conversion phase. I didn't want Bruce Wayne, no murdered parents, and it's nice to explore "alternate world" heroes in a 40K setting, where their history is at my mercy. The fluff helped guide the conversion, almost dictate what needed to be done to the model from my mind's eye.

As for Joker... yes, the Black Knight is known to consort with underhive elements and as my favorite of the Batman Rogues Gallery, he's first pick with a close Two-Face second. He's in the concept stage, but I feel I have to get his fluff first. I do, however, already have Rickard Wynn, aka Red Robin's fluff written... Everyone's fluff is twisted. An homage here or there, but they're nothing like their DC counterparts.

Stay tuned -> All of this retinue's gang will be GW kitbash/conversion. Ordering some DE sprues for thin body conversion bases.

-Remi

 HF Izanagi wrote:
Wow... 3 responses from 3 members whose sculpting and kitbashing I frequently look at and use for inspiration. Thank you, gentlemen, for stopping by!

Aww, that is so sweet of you

 HF Izanagi wrote:
As for Joker... yes, the Black Knight is known to consort with underhive elements and as my favorite of the Batman Rogues Gallery, he's first pick with a close Two-Face second. He's in the concept stage, but I feel I have to get his fluff first. I do, however, already have Rickard Wynn, aka Red Robin's fluff written... Everyone's fluff is twisted. An homage here or there, but they're nothing like their DC counterparts.

Hmm, what about a professional assassin ...uhh "Remover of Obstacles" (think Orfeo Culzean from the Ghaunt's Ghost novels, only with a much more psychotic bent) only known as "The Laughing Man" (or, for yet another in-joke, "The Man who laughs"), always accompanied by his aide and consort, one Mamzel Harulena Kwinzel. Well, that last bit may be a bit much, but still...

 KrautScientist wrote:

Aww, that is so sweet of you

KrautScientist wrote:
Hmm, what about a professional assassin ...uhh "Remover of Obstacles" (think Orfeo Culzean from the Ghaunt's Ghost novels, only with a much more psychotic bent) only known as "The Laughing Man" (or, for yet another in-joke, "The Man who laughs"), always accompanied by his aide and consort, one Mamzel Harulena Kwinzel. Well, that last bit may be a bit much, but still...

I'm thinking that too - the only thing I want to keep out of the original DC version is the spindly-ness of the guy and his sharp chin. An assassin, a card-sharp psychopath specializing in short-blades or pistols... Kind of a "wild card" in the Black Knight's gang, to be unleashed, never commanded, into combat. Harulena will be a later addition, but in serious consideration. Almost every single reiteration of Jack Napier has always had her at his side.

But FIRST... finish the Black Knight. NEXT... Rickard Wynn. Juuust placed the order for DE bits and a few other goodies. Unfortunately, I'll have to add some regular Vanaheim stuff like scenery too, otherwise we've got teamss but no battleground.

-Remi

Gah, sorry im so late replying to this. I agree with the head tilted right, definitely works better with the flow of the model and the direction youve set out for him.

Fluff is brilliant as well mate.

You know, maybe your version of the Joker shouldn't even be a member of the Inquisitor's retinue, but rather a possible opponent, just like he is in the models.

On a related note, I cannot help but suspect that one of the female Vampires from the WFB Coven Throne would make for a fantastic base model for Mamzel Harulena Kwinzel, instead of having her sport her regular gymnast attire. Just sayin'

 KrautScientist wrote:
You know, maybe your version of the Joker shouldn't even be a member of the Inquisitor's retinue, but rather a possible opponent, just like he is in the models.

On a related note, I cannot help but suspect that one of the female Vampires from the WFB Coven Throne would make for a fantastic base model for Mamzel Harulena Kwinzel, instead of having her sport her regular gymnast attire. Just sayin'

Perhaps - I'll give him more thought once I've got Robin all made out. If the fluff comes out that I can comfortably make him seem like he's part of the team, that'll be the way I'll go. But I've got a feeling it won't be that easy to find that vein of fluff...

And yes, no funky tights for his consort. Bah... I get ahead of myself. Batman first. Robin next. Then... then we'll bring up the subject of the Laughing Man again.

Happy Friday!

-Remi

I think a finecast Eldar Harlequin would be the ideal basis for the Joker. I am not convinced Harley is an essential companion to the Joker, she is quite a recent addition and although I love her in the Animated Series, the best Joker stories don't involve her.

By the way, would it be possible to get a scale shot of the Grimdark Knight next to a space marine and a guardsman? I can't figure out the size of that model. It looks pretty huge.

Hmm, you'll probably hate us all for continuing to talk about the Joker, but still...

 Bruticus wrote:
I think a finecast Eldar Harlequin would be the ideal basis for the Joker.]

I think it might be more interesting to re-imagine him more along the lines of the Heath-Ledger Joker, i.e. not all that gangly, caricaturesque, but more like a really, really disturbing guy whose makeup only makes him scarier. Or he could be an Afriel -- that would explain the white skin (and maybe also the psychotic outlook on life). Come to think of it, one of the heads from the Cadian command squad already has half a Glasgow smile

 Bruticus wrote:
I am not convinced Harley is an essential companion to the Joker, she is quite a recent addition and although I love her in the Animated Series, the best Joker stories don't involve her.

I think Harley could be quite a promising character if she were radically re-envisioned: Not as a loud (and occasionally pretty dumb) person, but maybe as a bit more refined and mysterious (hence the Coven Throne idea). Maybe she sould even be a psyker? If you wanted to go the gymnast route, maybe thinking more along the lines of Pris from Blade Runner might be an option...

Anyway, I can't stop seeing these two as a team -- not in the original Batman comics, mind you, but for this particular project.

Ah, watch me posting all that text. I'll be quiet now

You could even have Joker him as an actual Eldar Harlequin, separated from his troupe with an agenda that no-one can even begin to figure out. I saw this GW video today and that cover art looks pretty much like a 40k version of the Joker to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfzgZ_CTsd0

I like Harley a lot, she might even be the best character in the Animated Series and that's saying something. But I think the Joker works best alone. Harley makes him funnier and more likable which works for the Animated Series and maybe for the computer games, but the scary, dangerous Joker from things like Killing Joke or Dark Knight Returns is my preferred version. I am not a huge fan of the Heath Ledger Joker, love the films but comics do things best.

That said, if there was ever a character that would work as an eldar harlequin troop member, it's Harley Quinn.

 Bruticus wrote:
You could even have Joker him as an actual Eldar Harlequin, separated from his troupe with an agenda that no-one can even begin to figure out. I saw this GW video today and that cover art looks pretty much like a 40k version of the Joker to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfzgZ_CTsd0

Hmm, I have to admit that also sounds pretty interesting. A character like that could be a great nemesis to a Xenos Inquisitor...

Well, in any case, there are definitely lots of options: Looking forward to seeing which way you'll go with this, Remi!

Great concepts, gentlemen, and thank you for the brainstorm session. I can see an easy transition from Eldar Harlequin to Joker, but it brings up a lot of other issues too. Initial conflict as Ord Xenos and Xenos Proper is fine, IF Kain was truly of the Xenos creed... I'm almost certain I want him as a Hereticus.

One thing for me in this DC-gang is innovation - "How can I make my guys from GW, but be original in terms of parts, story and execution?" I've seen DC-harleys done before - possibly a previous GW Golden Daemon runner-up (or showing), used the Eldar Harlequins as Joker/Penguin/Riddler, and two more I don't remember. Joker/Eldar Harlequin searches also bring up several versions.

Man... so many ways to go with this guy. I'll see what grows organically after finishing the first two, Kain and Wynn, and see who comes to me next. The idea of the nemesis is also interesting - I was only thinking of this current campaign and how it would be difficult to control the enemy, Batman's team, AND Batman's personal enemy as the GM, but I could see the whole "nemesis" thing working for an Inq 28mm campaign, which I mean to try after Vit and I finish our work here.

In terms of 40K Harley, I also see them as a pair - comics and cartoons. Their love not withstanding, they have a psychotic symbiosis and I take inspiration for her from a certain comic -I'll get the comic name for you, but Joker is drawn like the 2nd Nolan movie and Harley skins a man alive... The look... has not come to me yet.

And finally- Batman's scale... Yes, he's friggin' huge. I'll take a picture later and put it up.

Thanks again, gents!

-Remi

 HF Izanagi wrote:
In terms of 40K Harley, I also see them as a pair - comics and cartoons. Their love not withstanding, they have a psychotic symbiosis and I take inspiration for her from a certain comic -I'll get the comic name for you, but Joker is drawn like the 2nd Nolan movie and Harley skins a man alive... The look... has not come to me yet.

Exactly what I thought of when I posted my suggestions! Is this the one you're looking for?

this is probibly the best verison of GW Batman I have ever seen, amazing work here, the cowl is especialy well sculpted

KrautScientist wrote:
Exactly what I thought of when I posted my suggestions! Is this the one you're looking for?

Bingo - Got it in one, KrautScientist. I love the fact that it's purely about Joker's insanity and someone (relatively) normal trying to dive into those deep, dark, depths. Next, Harley says NOTHING. She speaks through action - an extension of the psychopath himself.

Rogue Wolves wrote:this is probibly the best verison of GW Batman I have ever seen, amazing work here, the cowl is especialy well sculpted

Thank you very much! I was unaware there were others!

Bruticus wrote:By the way, would it be possible to get a scale shot of the Grimdark Knight next to a space marine and a guardsman? I can't figure out the size of that model. It looks pretty huge.

No problem. I unfortunately don't have a guardsman, but yes, he's pretty tall and wide. And I'm going to make him even TALLER... Here's a scale shot with one of my 1K sons for a previously shelved (for now!) project.



He is enormous, and he dwarfs SMs...

I don't have any idea what to do for his base, and could possibly use a few tips for a plasticard base without adding MORE height to him... Any ideas?

Anywho, that's it for me. I'm headed out of town for the next two days for business, but I hope to get back to him soon, or my True-scale custom DW, or Rickard "Robin" Wynn.

-Remi

Stick him on a Gothic perch. one of those eagle heads on the top of buildings.

Thanks for the scale shot, he doesn't actually look that big - I was considering the model as the base for a true scale marine, still not sure if it's a workable idea.