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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
And hey, if any Legion should be able to spam Terminator armour then it should be the Death Guard.

How do you figure?

Am I the only one giggling at the thought of 2+, 5++, 5+FnP, T5, 2w chosen deathguard terminators... Led by typhus for the -d6" on enemy charge blightgrenades...

Hur hur hur... Yeah, they'll cost ALOT of points, but they'll be harder to get rid off than than a summer cold...

//Calle

From Natfka's comments section today:

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- Chaos Assault Marines are 18 points now, and can take special weapons (meltaguns, flamers) and the Champion can take special melee weapons.

They can also take marks, but no icons. They have jump packs, but unlike space marines they can't remove them.

There are also the night lord's raptors, who have the daemon special rule for a 5+ invulnerable, and all have essentially lightning claws (str as user, ap3, shred).

These cannot take any special weapons, and are Undivided.
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Interesting.

Was that anon?

Pretre, when is it not?

; )

At this point, I am monitoring that site only for lolz.

Well, I won't post it for Faeit then and can't post it to the thread unless he reposts it. Good times.

Yep yep.

I imagine any terminator +1 WS, Wound and Attack upgrade will cost more than 10 points.

GW has a history of making character upgrades somewhat oppressively expensive, unless they are following some new trend.

Terminators are all great and cool, but the first page I thumb to will definitely be the Troops section. That will make or break my decision to try and stick with CSM.

Terminators are just a bonus. Man.. but... if they can be Troops you can bet your ass I will be making a group with Abby for Apocalypse.

As long as I can make t5 fnp deathguard termis (with blightgrenade via typhus), I'm actually okay with the new dex. Though I feel sad for the thousand sons and emp children players. Still, GW getting half of the cult terminators relatively right (looking at worldeaters as well), is actually good work for being GW... Cultists, zombies, fear causing marks and the rest, is just icing on my cake.

It'll be hard for GW to dissapoint me with this dex if even half is true. Heck, as I stated, by the sound of it, only thouusand sons and emperors children are getting semi-shafted (and that's mainly in the terminator section), it's actually looking good on all other accounts. IMHO.

Alot thanks to the ally rule aswell. Giving us traitorguard and proper daemons.

//Calle

I thought that I would be a little upset in the Terminator department as far as Tsons termies go, but then I always remember Battle of the Fang.

Pretty sure there were only 9 suits of TDA in the entire battle.

I'm ok with fielding 5 basic termies with 4+ Invulnerable and 2 wounds. That screams Rubric to me.

Not sure if Thousand Sons players have anything to complain about regarding all these rumors. If anything, it's a buff to CSM psykers.

 Jag_Calle wrote:
As long as I can make t5 fnp deathguard termis (with blightgrenade via typhus), I'm actually okay with the new dex. Though I feel sad for the thousand sons and emp children players. Still, GW getting half of the cult terminators relatively right (looking at worldeaters as well), is actually good work for being GW...

//Calle

It's a worrying moment when 2/4 is good enough for a Codex, no?
It is for me anyway...

On the german GW website, their is a post saying CSM for Sept.15th apparently. It's probably just the Dark Vengeance Campaign, but still figured worth mentioning.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=24000001a

(Translastion from natfka's comment section)
The Chaos Space Marines are ruthless Warriors, who seek only death and destruction. Once among the mightiest Warrior of the Emperor, they are now the biggest threat to humanity. From their shadowy Fortresses, the Traitorlegions and the renegade wage an endless war against the Imperium.

Lead your unstoppable Chaos Marines on Saturday, 15th of September, into the fight against the weak servants of the Emperor, for the glory of chaos!

Come to your local store and bring your opponents to their knees.

Yeah, that sounds like DV.

I'm as excited about that as I was about the supposed Sept 1st "How to paint chaos terminators" event

 Just Dave wrote:


It's a worrying moment when 2/4 is good enough for a Codex, no?
It is for me anyway...

Guess at some point we went from "the glass is half-full!" to "There's a faint coating of steam that could be -inside- the glass rather than outside it, so all is well!"

Though to be fair, 2 wounds on a terminator does cover 3 of the 4 deities. It could be a willingness to fight despite all wounds (berserkers), undead toughess (plagues) or the fact that there's only dust in there (Rubrics).

Slaanesh has always been a tricky concept of warfare to put into rules. EC were famed for being perfectionists and insanely dedicated to their deadly craft. That's a hat most other legions/chapters can also claim and hard to do cool, original rules for. What could it mean? Twin-linking some weapons a la Vulkan? Combat Tactics like Ultramarines? Reserves control and redeployment like Eldar? I be tthey came up with sonic weapons as a way to give them teir own 'thing', but never got really invested into the whole concept.

Their biggest bit these days are their sonic weaponry (not availiable on termies) and high ws and I. So... You get 2/3 via mark and icon on the termies. But the weaponry is missing.
For T-sons, a big thing is their ap3 bolters, which IIRC from the rumours, they can't get. But they CAN get a 4+ inv...

//Calle

Imo Termies dont need AP3 bolters ... they have AP3 CCWs

So the fearless 4++ Terminators are fine throw in a sorcerer to lead them and it would be awesome.

Faeit212 has updated their CSM compilation page. Nothing we haven't seen, just a lot cleaner than it was.

Is Cypher in or out? Would make all the DA's that Chaos boyz have after buying DV a little bit more useful perhaps.

 Compel wrote:
I heard it was just Lords as well. Plus Sorcerers for Tzeentch.

The idea I think was supposed to be, since Demon Princes are going to be so completely utterly awesome pwnage (supposedly like fantasy stats), having the cults being unlocked just for lords encourages people to take them because traditionally there's been a problem with someone actually finding the normal captains/lords/masters a viable choice.

I can't quite remember WHERE I heard that though. It could even have been earlier in this thread :S

Fine by me. I can be encouraged to NOT run two princes. Would it be too much to ask for them to put out a Chaos Lord PA kit with all of the options on the sprue?
Loyalists have one...

 Sephyr wrote:

 Just Dave wrote:


It's a worrying moment when 2/4 is good enough for a Codex, no?
It is for me anyway...

Slaanesh has always been a tricky concept of warfare to put into rules. EC were famed for being perfectionists and insanely dedicated to their deadly craft. That's a hat most other legions/chapters can also claim and hard to do cool, original rules for. What could it mean? Twin-linking some weapons a la Vulkan? Combat Tactics like Ultramarines? Reserves control and redeployment like Eldar? I be tthey came up with sonic weapons as a way to give them teir own 'thing', but never got really invested into the whole concept.

Some of the rumours ahve been suggesting that Slannesh will be getting Rending as well as the +1I. That means they hit first, but also hit harder - this could be seen as them being so good that they can move faster and strike at weak points more accurately than everyone else.

 Praxiss wrote:

 Sephyr wrote:

 Just Dave wrote:


It's a worrying moment when 2/4 is good enough for a Codex, no?
It is for me anyway...

Slaanesh has always been a tricky concept of warfare to put into rules. EC were famed for being perfectionists and insanely dedicated to their deadly craft. That's a hat most other legions/chapters can also claim and hard to do cool, original rules for. What could it mean? Twin-linking some weapons a la Vulkan? Combat Tactics like Ultramarines? Reserves control and redeployment like Eldar? I be tthey came up with sonic weapons as a way to give them teir own 'thing', but never got really invested into the whole concept.

Some of the rumours ahve been suggesting that Slannesh will be getting Rending as well as the +1I. That means they hit first, but also hit harder - this could be seen as them being so good that they can move faster and strike at weak points more accurately than everyone else.

It does make sense..

MoS - +1I, Rending
MoT - +1Invul, psychic buff (extra power/immunity or summit).
MoK - +1 attack, Furious Charge
MoN - +1T, FnP.

Although you could actually justify FnP (of varying degree's) for each mark.

In my opinion its about time the marks of the gods did a little more than just play with stats. I still miss the days when the MoT made psykers auto pass psychic tests, good times!

 Sephyr wrote:

 Just Dave wrote:


It's a worrying moment when 2/4 is good enough for a Codex, no?
It is for me anyway...

Guess at some point we went from "the glass is half-full!" to "There's a faint coating of steam that could be -inside- the glass rather than outside it, so all is well!"

Though to be fair, 2 wounds on a terminator does cover 3 of the 4 deities.

There it is!

2012's version of "Any army with two wounds has got a lot going for it!"

Sephyr = The New Pete Haines?

The Chaos Space Marines are ruthless Warriors, who seek only death and destruction. Once among the mightiest Warrior of the Emperor, they are now the biggest threat to humanity. From their shadowy Fortresses, the Traitorlegions and the renegade wage an endless war against the Imperium.

Lead your unstoppable Chaos Marines on Saturday, 15th of September, into the fight against the weak servants of the Emperor, for the glory of chaos!

Come to your local store and bring your opponents to their knees.

Is it just me, or does nothing in that description really make any reference to Dark Vengeance at all? No mention of the Crimson Slaughter, Kranon, or anything like that.

Seems to me like if they wanted it to be a DV plug they'd put in something about the DV minis when they tell you to come to your local, or at least mention that DV is a great way to start a CSM army. This ad doesn't seem particularly DV related to me.

I know what you mean, there's no mention of the Helbrute in there; a model that GW have been eager to mention in pretty much everything that I've read.

Didn't we see a rumour saying Chaos would put out on the 15th?

Interesting...


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I guess I've missed this in previous pages, the CSM Battleforce is no longer available on ol' GW site. I called GW to check when it'd be back online and was told there's "no due date for any replacements, keep an eye on the website and white dwarf for news etc".

Also asked if anything else was discontinued or whatever and was told that Lucius The Eternal is no longer available (despite showing as still available on the UK site) though that was everything they knew.

I dunno, I wanna believe the 15th but I reckon its just an event to honour the release of the starter set. If it was a tyranid and eldar starter set, there may have been an eldar vs tyranid event. Makes sense to have an event based on the armies from the starter set.

Also wouldnt this event be in every GW shop then?

Although how amazing would it be on the 15th, look at the GW site and boom.....

edit: Hehe nice find dude, no expected date of replacement seems pretty clear to me

 Alpharius wrote:


There it is!

2012's version of "Any army with two wounds has got a lot going for it!"

Sephyr = The New Pete Haines?

Do I get to boff my co-workers' wives like he allegedly did? I'd give half the codex THREE wounds per model if that was the case.

The 15th is just in and around when GW would start diseminating information if Chaos is coming for pre-order by the end of the year. If that rumor holds true.

Un-likely.