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Are Warp Smiths really Warsmiths by any chance?

I'm wondering about Thousand Sons & Night Lords. These are the only Chaos I like fluff wise.

So August would be more units / finecast updates, September Chaos, October DA, November starter kit?

I can't wait to see these models given that Chaos and DA are 2 of the most ornate groups of models out there, here's hoping

I hope the winged CSM daemon prince is now a flying monstrous creature. No more of this jump monstrous creature BS

Usually the Chaos random tables turn out to be poorly thought out crap. Given that your lord HQ can spawnify on a bad D6 or 2d6 roll, I am guessing this will be about as useful as Possessed currently are. But random = fun, AMIRITE?

This rumour claims CSM Codex for September instead of starter box (which is then August?).
Books already in warehouse for 7 weeks, but no starter box seen?
Not impossible (someone else claimed starter box already in August), but I am sceptical.

BTW TheDarkGeneral delivered about 95% of Warseers CSM rumours, not just 2-3 tidbits. As I am sceptical about this unproven source, I wasn't eager to post his flood of rumours.

Gorechild wrote:

SlaveToDorkness wrote:I doubt that's how it'll work. Plus it happens in a Challenge so there's not much way to be in-transport when it happens.

DPs will not be dropped from the main list.. That'd be crazy-stupid!

What I was trying to get at (and probably didn't say very clearly ) was, for example, if you took a unit of Plague Marines to absorb damage and popped a Daemon weapon lord in the squad to provide the killing power and then said Lord becomes a MC (that can't join the unit), your Marines are boned. Or if you take a footslogging Lord in a Land Raider, and all of a sudden he becomes a DP, his mobility and probably a lot of his usefulness will dissapear.

It's not like DE's Power from Pain, where kiling a unit simply makes the squad better. If you can turn one model into a completely different unit type then it will obviously play differently and mess with any sort of plan that you might have formed around that character.

If your Lord has just won a challenge then he has obviously just done that in combat and therefore he is not in a transport while he has done that.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

Lockark wrote:The rumour said MC's and walkers would also be getting this "Eye of the gods rule".

Might be me, but isn't the DP the only MC CSM have? O___o I'm not worried about the DP going.

Personally the image of a defiler turning into a DP or a Chaos Spawn is much more entertaining.

The rumor is saying characters get a roll when they kill another character or a MC or Walker, not that MCs and Walkers get a roll.

Opps. Missread that. You are correct.

DarthOvious wrote:

Gorechild wrote:

SlaveToDorkness wrote:I doubt that's how it'll work. Plus it happens in a Challenge so there's not much way to be in-transport when it happens.

DPs will not be dropped from the main list.. That'd be crazy-stupid!

What I was trying to get at (and probably didn't say very clearly ) was, for example, if you took a unit of Plague Marines to absorb damage and popped a Daemon weapon lord in the squad to provide the killing power and then said Lord becomes a MC (that can't join the unit), your Marines are boned. Or if you take a footslogging Lord in a Land Raider, and all of a sudden he becomes a DP, his mobility and probably a lot of his usefulness will dissapear.

It's not like DE's Power from Pain, where kiling a unit simply makes the squad better. If you can turn one model into a completely different unit type then it will obviously play differently and mess with any sort of plan that you might have formed around that character.

If your Lord has just won a challenge then he has obviously just done that in combat and therefore he is not in a transport while he has done that.

It is possible to kill more than one unit in a game though If your Lord kills off an IC on turn 2 and magically turns into a DP, there's potentially 5 more turns where their manoverability, or the survivability of the squad they were with is goping to suffer considerably.

jmurph wrote:Usually the Chaos random tables turn out to be poorly thought out crap. Given that your lord HQ can spawnify on a bad D6 or 2d6 roll, I am guessing this will be about as useful as Possessed currently are. But random = fun, AMIRITE?

Of course it is! It's CINEMATIC, which is what 6th Ed is all about! Just look at all the top-tier armies...random tables up the wazoo, right? ...right?

deathholydeath wrote:I'll believe it when I see it. I will be VERY angry if cult terminators fail to make the cut again.

I personally hope for a more sensible Mark system where a Mark is applied to a unit and not from a Guy With A Stick.

Especially since templates kill whatever is UNDER the template and it's even easier now to kill the banner off.

Well, there are a couple of things off the bat I am not too happy about, regardless of the more specific rumours:

1) Hard back book - PITA to read, PITA to carry around. My model carry bag is heavy enough already and I don't really want to replace my reasonably light, thin paperback with a big, heavy hardback.

2) More random crap - Don't like random rolls and effects. I have no issue with rolling badly and losing, but don't want to have random buffs and debuffs all over the place.

Well on the topic of randomness I hope Chosen CSM will be like Chosen WoC and get a free roll on the "EotG"

Well here's to a Chaos codex which makes me want to play again. It's almost difficult to produce a product which makes you quit the entire hobby, but they managed it. I really hope that their codex producing skills have improved since their last try on a Chaos Space Marine codex.

Not too enthused by those rumours. Doesn't sound like there will be a return to Legion specific options, just more Chaos pic n mix.

Dragon flyer sounds dumb, but I will wait to see the pic.

Gorechild wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:
If your Lord has just won a challenge then he has obviously just done that in combat and therefore he is not in a transport while he has done that.

It is possible to kill more than one unit in a game though If your Lord kills off an IC on turn 2 and magically turns into a DP, there's potentially 5 more turns where their manoverability, or the survivability of the squad they were with is goping to suffer considerably.

Well OK, but getting a upgrade for your character surely isn't a bad thing and when this happens you'll be in your opponents half already. I'm also assuming that the points cost has been considered in this respects.

SilverMK2 wrote:1) Hard back book - PITA to read, PITA to carry around. My model carry bag is heavy enough already and I don't really want to replace my reasonably light, thin paperback with a big, heavy hardback..

Hard back is for reading at home and to look impressive on the coffee table, the ipad edition is the one you are supposed to use at the gaming table.

temprus wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:1) Hard back book - PITA to read, PITA to carry around. My model carry bag is heavy enough already and I don't really want to replace my reasonably light, thin paperback with a big, heavy hardback..

Hard back is for reading at home and to look impressive on the coffee table, the ipad edition is the one you are supposed to use at the gaming table.

Well, I look forward to you sending me an iPad and a voucher for the store to get a copy

And I don't want the book to read either - what with 90% of it being recycled from codex to codex...

Any idea if they are going to make spawns more viable? Somewhat similar to how they are more effective in WFB? Since pretty much everything is immune to fear in 40k, I really don't see what the point of turning something into a spawn is. Random movement and attacks, really doesn't appeal to me tbh. Warpsmiths and the Dark tech marines sound pretty interesting, and I am hoping the possessed are what they should be. Chaos Dragon doesn't sound too promising.

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Demon Princes went away. Having the same unit in two different armies with different rules, now that we have allies, is potential for confusion. I could easily see them saying all Demons, including princes, come as allies.

I like the rumours. What I am most interested in however is new plastics *coughs*Thousand Sons*coughs* to replace old metal/finecast kits.

What sounds REALLY disappointing is that the 'dragon' is not in fact a dragon at all, but more akin to something from Voltron.

I get the feeling this Dragon will be kinda like the Dreadknight seems to be IMHO, in that most vet's will hate it, most new players will love it.

temprus wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:1) Hard back book - PITA to read, PITA to carry around. My model carry bag is heavy enough already and I don't really want to replace my reasonably light, thin paperback with a big, heavy hardback..

Hard back is for reading at home and to look impressive on the coffee table, the ipad edition is the one you are supposed to use at the gaming table.

A Netbook in cheaper then a Ipad, has better hardware specification, compatible with more programs, and actually comes with a Keyboard...
=/

To bad GW is more interested in the Ipad fad then creating digital products that are actually useful to the everyday gamer.

Just Dave wrote:I get the feeling this Dragon will be kinda like the Dreadknight seems to be IMHO, in that most vet's will hate it, most new players will love it.

That's a pretty broad brush! Where'd you get it?

pretre wrote:

Just Dave wrote:I get the feeling this Dragon will be kinda like the Dreadknight seems to be IMHO, in that most vet's will hate it, most new players will love it.

That's a pretty broad brush! Where'd you get it?

I used my Discrimination-Red paint pot.

I tried to emphasise that it was just my opinion though - it's just the impression I've got.

Just Dave wrote:I get the feeling this Dragon will be kinda like the Dreadknight seems to be IMHO, in that most vet's will hate it, most new players will love it.

Personally I don't care... if I want one in my army and I like the look I'll use it, if I don't I'll convert it. People give it flak for being a "dragon" but as I've pointed out 2 of the epic chaos models are pretty much flying dragons... and in that sense had a more established basis to them than the Dreadknight did. Chaos employs daemon engines and I'm happy to see GW emphasizing that with a fully chaos kit, something that isn't just "imperial + spikes."

meh, from me for my Iron warriors front especially if All chaos forces can take Warmsith equivalents....

also agree with this

SilverMK2 wrote:
2) More random crap - Don't like random rolls and effects. I have no issue with rolling badly and losing, but don't want to have random buffs and debuffs all over the place.

especially as an Iron Warriors player i feel the legion shias away from this random chaos mutatey BS, hence the sawing them off and adding Bionic dohickys instead

Just Dave wrote:I get the feeling this Dragon will be kinda like the Dreadknight seems to be IMHO, in that most vet's will hate it, most new players will love it.

I think if DreadKnight had looked more like a Knight Titan thingy, (a bit like a conversion that came up a while back) no one whould have had issues with it. Its just that danged baby carrier look that hurts it as a model.
Also the whole cheapened the idea of Grey Knight in termie armour just taking on Greater Daemons anyways because they can.

I think this Dragon is likely to be recieved in a similar fashion to the Defiler.

If this "Dragon" looks like a huge bad ass mechanical dragon that can fly up to other fliers and smash them out of the sky? Then this is going to look awsome.

If it looks like a Air plane shaped like a dragon, it's going to look really silly and cheap.

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:meh, from me for my Iron warriors front especially if All chaos forces can take Warmsith equivalents....

Don't you want to atleast see IF they get anymore for them, or IF it really is an unrestricted choice for other armies?-Oh wait, what you're doing is easier. This codex seems to be defined by HQ and Elite choices that depending on your choice allow you to take more of them to represent different subfactions. For Iron warriors Warmith/warpsmith may become a 0-3 for one FOC choice... grasping for exclusivity of unit choices as the only way to define character is a rather weak one. The way I see it, you're likely to have the option of taking more obliterators... and even by means of the allies rule utilize other artillery. Then its upto you to say what an Iron Warriors army is, not for GW to force feed it to you, just so someone else can complain that its never enough.