Eldar rumours (Preorder pics added to first post)

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**bit81**

I like the looks of the new models flyer looks good and the huge walker as well all good glad I started eldar

**Eberious**

THIS GAK JUST GOT REAL!!!! so much so the greenstuff blob I was working on just became unmanageable while in my hands. ... pic shows small arms.. could just be the picture, if not then modelling will sort that, gun wise its a little under impressive, again, converting will take care of that(I see a fire prism gun conversion). That sucker has got to be at least £50

The bright red and the pic quality doesn't help, can't say to much on the flyer, currently from what I can see not overly impressed..yet

Of course buy codex first, read play then buy,,,,..maybe

**Sarigar**

So, based on the pic, it looks like it has the force field generator piece similar to an Autarch, the rumored Lance weapon and two Scatterlasers. So, 2+/4+, 5-6 wounds, BS4 as a core base seems like a good starting point. Wonder if it'll have options to allow Skyfire/Intercept and other goodies akin to a Riptide.

Wish I could see more of the flier, specifically armament.

**ChiliPowderKeg**

Ovion wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Iracundus wrote:
First Wraithknight image up:

He's got a bit of a weight problem.
This however...
It looks like it's got a Duel Disk... If I got one (which I probably won't) I'd have to make it with an acompanying Dark Magician or Blue Eyes White Dragon or something...

I NOW SUMMON DARK PHILJICIAN

**agnosto**

lol, and people call Tau anime....wow. Giant feet, skinny legs and arms, metal loincloth for some reason, wasp-like torso...

**reaper with no name**

AegisGrimm wrote:
On the previous page, you just said that the Dreadknight made no sense (which I agree with). And yet, I could argue that it makes just as much sense as the link between the Dreadnought and Imperial Titans as the Wraithknight does between the Wraithlord and the Eldar Titans.

In other words, the Dreadknight makes just as much sense as the Wraithknight (actually more, since a Wraithknight should logically be smaller than a Wraithlord).

Except that beyond the fact that the Dreadknight doesn't match the design or warfare aesthetics of the Space Marines in any way whatsoever (even a fringe group like the Grey Knights), there is no link between Dreadnoughts and Imperial Titans to have something like the Dreadknight show up in the "Knight" slot for any reason at all.

Of all the Monstrous Constructs that have been released so far, the ones for the Tyranids and now the Wraithknight are the only ones that even fit for that army, because each have always had something like that from the very early days. The Imperial Army has Knight households, Orks have Stompas, Eldar have Wraithbone-grown Knights, and Tyranids have bio-constructs.

Tau I can allow as they are the army that is actively making new developments, but when Space marines need something like a Knight, they simply call in a Knight Household.

I swear, lately Dakka has gotten even more nitpicky and bitter than usual, (and that's saying something!).

I'm pretty sure they could release a Knight for the Imperials that is directly made from the Epic versions, and people would be denouncing it for being stupid and somehow being a rip-off.

As a long-time Eldar player, can't find one single problem with this model other than what the idiotically high price is going to be. Now that I see it's possible size, I can;t think that it will be less than $100US.

I like how you pretend the way things were in the old days have anything to do with how things are in the modern day.

And of course there's a link between the Dreadnought and the Titans (in fact, it's the same link between the Wraithlord and Eldar Titans): both are humanoid machines that vaguely resemble the other.

Heck, according to the modern Eldar aesthetic (where sophistication and advanced technology are what matter), nothing as big as the Wraithknight should ever see combat. That's how the filthy mon'keighs fight, after all, and the Eldar take pride in the fact that they are not like that.

And, once again, it is utterly asinine for something bigger than both the Wraithguard and the Wraithlord to be called a Wraithknight. Even if we assume the Eldar are willing to throw out their preference for sophistication and embrace "bigger is better", then common sense would still dictate that a Wraithknight would be smaller than a Wraithlord.

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:
Ovion wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Iracundus wrote:
First Wraithknight image up:

He's got a bit of a weight problem.
This however...
It looks like it's got a Duel Disk... If I got one (which I probably won't) I'd have to make it with an acompanying Dark Magician or Blue Eyes White Dragon or something...

I NOW SUMMON DARK PHILJICIAN

A lot of people have won internets lately in this. By the power vested in me by no one in particular, I take those internets away and give them to you, good sir.

**Hermetic**

agnosto wrote:
lol, and people call Tau anime....wow. Giant feet, skinny legs and arms, metal loincloth for some reason, wasp-like torso...

Oh come on, that's not fair, I mean it's not like it's powered by the dead souls of loved ones or functions on the loneliness and pain of its pilo--

Yet deep within its chest, an Eldar pilot weeps for the death of his twin, interred alongside him in one [of] the Wraithknight's spirit stones.

--You may be on to something here...

**Gavin Thorne**

warboss wrote:
Shandara wrote:
It makes you wonder whether Wraithlords will still be heavy support too, since they'll just compete with the Wraithknight (and the WK is going to be much better, I just know it).

The WK is probably going to be alot better than the eventual wraithlord but it'll hopefully cost an apporpriate amount of points. Pure conjecture but I can see the wraithlord dropping to T7 and getting the open to be fielded in units of up to 3 per slot whereas the WK is T8 and one per slot.

This was my first bit of speculation as well. The arms on the WK do look awful slim from the angle they were shot from, but I think that's exacerbated by the thickness of the legs. The torso is ripe for a third-party to make a less bulky and more wraith-centric version of. Know anyone willing to hop on that wagon?

**Sarigar**

I'd love to see Wraithlords be taken in a unit of 1-3: even fluffy for the Iyanden release as they made extensive use of Wraith constructs.

**TheKbob**

Hermetic wrote:
JOHIRA wrote:
Hermetic wrote:
I think all the sulking neckbeards whining about every little detail are making me like the new Eldar stuff even more. Their tears will power my Wraithknight.

So, you don't choose what you buy because of qualities you actually like, you choose it by what people (whose personalities you've imagined over the internet) don't like? Wow. I hope that works out for you.

**zedmeister**

I do look forward to seeing what forgeworld will do in terms of resin expansions to the wraithknight. Firegales? Bright Stallions? Towering Destroyers?

**Enigma**

I actually like this look! Sure it's a bit bulky, but that's understandable as the pilots's in the chest. I do like that they drive from the head on the titans, but then the head would really be way too big here.
The only thing that irks me is that, unlike the titans, it seem to lack a jetpack. This thing will be slow. And I play Saim-Hann/Corsairs :(

**AegisGrimm**

And of course there's a link between the Dreadnought and the Titans (in fact, it's the same link between the Wraithlord and Eldar Titans): both are humanoid machines that vaguely resemble the other.

Actually it's not. By "link" I obviously meant that there is nothing in the Space marine fluff that has them using larger walkers than Dreadnoughts. Dreadnoughts and Titans are part of two distinct Imperial forces, not a line of progression in war machines for one force like the Eldar stuff. By your justification, we should be going whole hog and having Space Marine titans.

Heck, according to the modern Eldar aesthetic (where sophistication and advanced technology are what matter), nothing as big as the Wraithknight should ever see combat. That's how the filthy mon'keighs fight, after all, and the Eldar take pride in the fact that they are not like that.

I guess Phantom Titans and Revenant Titans aren't very legitimate then, as they are even more extreme versions of that "non-Eldar" thinking. Hell, a Phantom Titan can even be geared for close combat, which should be doubly abhorrent to an Eldar.

And, once again, it is utterly asinine for something bigger than both the Wraithguard and the Wraithlord to be called a Wraithknight. Even if we assume the Eldar are willing to throw out their preference for sophistication and embrace "bigger is better", then common sense would still dictate that a Wraithknight would be smaller than a Wraithlord.

People are taking nitpicking to the extreme with the name thing.

**Bludbaff**

agnosto wrote:
lol, and people call Tau anime....wow. Giant feet, skinny legs and arms, metal loincloth for some reason, wasp-like torso...

I've pondered starting an Eldar army at times, and thought about getting one of the EVA model kits to be a Titan.

**Happygrunt**

So now that GW seem to think adding micro-transactions to 40k is a good idea. That Iyanden book really bothers me, as it looks like they just ripped stuff from the main codex and made a little separate one that, if you want to play Iyanden, you have to buy as well.

Wraithknight looks cool but it also seems... off. This is not the 40k I started playing six years ago.

**AegisGrimm**

Well, to be honest, I didn't think the 40K of six years ago was much like the 40K I started playing 12 years before that..........

The Iyanden book royally pisses me off, if it ends up being digital only. That means that people like me that don't have an Apple device won't even be able to be able to access certain rules that others will.

**reaper with no name**

AegisGrimm wrote:
And of course there's a link between the Dreadnought and the Titans (in fact, it's the same link between the Wraithlord and Eldar Titans): both are humanoid machines that vaguely resemble the other.

Actually it's not. By "link" I obviously meant that there is nothing in the Space marine fluff that has them using larger walkers than Dreadnoughts. Dreadnoughts and Titans are part of two distinct Imperial forces, not a line of progression in war machines for one force like the Eldar stuff. By your justification, we should be going whole hog and having Space Marine titans.

Heck, according to the modern Eldar aesthetic (where sophistication and advanced technology are what matter), nothing as big as the Wraithknight should ever see combat. That's how the filthy mon'keighs fight, after all, and the Eldar take pride in the fact that they are not like that.

I guess Phantom Titans and Revenant Titans aren't very legitimate then, as they are even more extreme versions of that "non-Eldar" thinking. Hell, a Phantom Titan can even be geared for close combat, which should be doubly abhorrent to an Eldar.

I see nothing in modern Eldar fluff suggesting they use anything similar to a Wraithknight either. Nevermind the fact that I simply don't see the hole between Wraithlords and Eldar Titans that you seem to (which appears to be your justification for its existence). What about filling the hole between the Wraithknight and the Titans?

Eldar Titans have the excuse of "if we could make something smaller to do the same thing, we would". The Wraithknight has no such excuse. It sees the same battlefields as the Wraithlord. It (from a fluff perspective, if not a mechanics one) does the same things. If the Wraithlord isn't big enough, then there's no reason for the Wraithlord to exist.

Space Marines are one branch of the Imperium. If the Imperium needs Titans, they have them. Giving space marines their own specific titans seperate from the rest of the Titan Legions would make about as much sense as giving Fire Dragons their own Wraithlords that are separate from all other Wraithlords.

Once again, the Wraithknight is, by all appearances, Wraithlord 2.0. Why do we need two versions of the same unit?

**Mkvenner**

AegisGrimm wrote:

The Iyanden book royally pisses me off, if it ends up being digital only. That means that people like me that don't have an Apple device won't even be able to be able to access certain rules that others will.

You can always wait for people that transfer the digital version into a pdf.

**wuestenfux**

Once again, the Wraithknight is, by all appearances, Wraithlord 2.0. Why do we need two versions of the same unit?

Not really. Compare a Dreadknight or a Riptide with a Wraithlord. The Wraithlord is cheaper but the DK and RT have a larger damage output and are more survivable.

**Just Dave**

reaper with no name wrote:
Once again, the Wraithknight is, by all appearances, Wraithlord 2.0. Why do we need two versions of the same unit?

Well, really, we all know the answer is that it sells models. The Riptide is very popular (as helped by its rules) whilst far from cheap, and the Wraithknight seems to be following suit.

As for the model, personally, I don't think it's particularly bad or good looking, very neutral. But at the same time, seemingly very lazy.

**LordTyphus**

I hate how bland GW is now, everything from 6th has just be Codex: Mecha and Flyer with Different Decoration Than The Previous Codex: Mecha and Flyer

**Macok**

I just hope they won't nerf Wraithlord to oblivion and make WK the better (and pricier cash wise) choice.

**Dr. What**

Dreadknight -> Riptide -> Wraithknight -> Deffknight?

Come on Ork release! Get here ASAP!

**AegisGrimm**

*Sigh* It's a model of an Eldar Knight, ready-made to be playable in 40K, and in plastic at that. People have been clamoring for Knight-scale titans for years, but suddenly hate them when they come out because they are "too big" for 40K.

I guess you can't please anyone nowadays. *shrug* Just don't buy one.

I see nothing in modern Eldar fluff suggesting they use anything similar to a Wraithknight either. Nevermind the fact that I simply don't see the hole between Wraithlords and Eldar Titans that you seem to (which appears to be your justification for its existence). What about filling the hole between the Wraithknight and the Titans?

They are not modern examples, but I can think of at least three styles of Eldar Knight from Epic 40K that are similar in comparision to the Wraithknight.

**Lord Solaar**

Dr. What wrote:
Dreadknight -> Riptide -> Wraithknight -> Deffknight?

Come on Ork release! Get here ASAP!

That day is already here
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Orks/ORK_INFANTRY_AND_WALKERS/ORK-MEGA-DREAD.html

**Macok**

AegisGrimm wrote:
*Sigh* It's a model of an Eldar Knight, ready-made to be playable in 40K, and in plastic at that. People have been clamoring for Knight-scale titans for years, but suddenly hate them when they come out because they are "too big" for 40K.

I guess you can't please anyone nowadays. *shrug* Just don't buy one.

You could also try to guess that within a large group of people there are ones that like something and others who don't like the same thing.
That definitely does not mean that each and every one likes and at the same time dislikes that thing.

**AegisGrimm**

I just see an overwhelmingly large number of people nit-picking one picture of a model to death.

**His Master's Voice**

reaper with no name wrote:
Once again, the Wraithknight is, by all appearances, Wraithlord 2.0. Why do we need two versions of the same unit?

We have Terminators. Why do we need Space Marines?

Etc, etc

**Flood**

Sitting here completely in a daze imagining the SM, Ork and Tyranid mega-walker-thingies that will appear now...

**AegisGrimm**

Well, I would assume Tyranids already got their oval base monstrous creature fix.