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]Why would you 'have' to replace them...?

Vanity.

Who doesn't want the want the prettiest toys on the table? Mind you, "grumbling" was not intended to be read as "complaining."

1st of June for altar of war and digital codex.

Downloaded the preview of the Codex on iPad. Not as telling as the High Elf book, but it does have some weapon stats:

Shuriken Catapult 12" S4 AP5 Assault 2, Bladestorm
Shuriken Cannon 24" S6 AP5 Assault 3, Bladestorm

Bladestorm: When a weapon with this special rule rolls a 6 To Wound, the target is wounded automatically and the Wound is resolved at AP2.

 theharrower wrote:
Downloaded the preview of the Codex on iPad. Not as telling as the High Elf book, but it does have some weapon stats:

Shuriken Catapult 12" S4 AP5 Assault 2, Bladestorm
Shuriken Cannon 24" S6 AP5 Assault 3, Bladestorm

Bladestorm: When a weapon with this special rule rolls a 6 To Wound, the target is wounded automatically and the Wound is resolved at AP2.

Wow, that's cool. I think dire avengers are still going to be better than guardians.
I heard that fire dragons got a points increase and a slight buff, is that true? 22 points, 3+ save or something?

Still think they should be 18" minimum :(

I suppose we'll have to wait and see how they play with the combination of Fleet and Run / Shoot or Shoot / Run. I agree, though, I was hoping for another 6" on all the Shuriken weapons.

Carresuith wrote:
Vanity.

Who doesn't want the want the prettiest toys on the table?

New doesn't automatically mean better... As evidenced by the replacement of the awesome (for their age) 2nd ed Jes Goodwin Aspects by the Morley-fied early Juan Diaz-sculpted 3rd ed versions...

 Khaine wrote:

 theharrower wrote:
Downloaded the preview of the Codex on iPad. Not as telling as the High Elf book, but it does have some weapon stats:

Shuriken Catapult 12" S4 AP5 Assault 2, Bladestorm
Shuriken Cannon 24" S6 AP5 Assault 3, Bladestorm

Bladestorm: When a weapon with this special rule rolls a 6 To Wound, the target is wounded automatically and the Wound is resolved at AP2.

Wow, that's cool. I think dire avengers are still going to be better than guardians.
I heard that fire dragons got a points increase and a slight buff, is that true? 22 points, 3+ save or something?

With those rules, I'm not so sure. More bodies for survivability and more chances to trigger Bladestorm in a large Guardian unit.

Also... even if all aspects are 3+, which I doubt, I can't see ten Avengers being better than twenty Guardians.

18 shots at BS 4 and 2 at BS 5 is worse than forty shots at BS 3.

Why would they invent a new rule for what Rending already does?

 Shandara wrote:
Why would they invent a new rule for what Rending already does?

To prevent the weapons from receiving the extra d3 to armor pen should they shoot at a vehicle.

Does anyone else find it funny that the battleforce is identical to the current one only the war-walker has been swapped out for a viper?

The new box designs are interesting, unsure as to whether i like them or not

And is the new Ltd edition codex really just 30 quid for a dust jacket!!!??!?!?

Aww...there goes my plan of making better looking black guardians using Dire Avengers parts.

Looking forward to purchase only a box of Wraithguard from this release. And given that I skipped Wraithlord and War Walkers on 2007 release, maybe some of them as well. Forgeworld Wraithseer is seriously tempting.

Wraithknight and flyer are silly and won't find their way into my collection.

 insaniak wrote:
New doesn't automatically mean better... As evidenced by the replacement of the awesome (for their age) 2nd ed Jes Goodwin Aspects by the Morley-fied early Juan Diaz-sculpted 3rd ed versions...

True. And perhaps they would not have been improved at all, after the fact. Though just as often, we see inspired revamps in the likes of the new Wraithlord, War Walkers, Support Weapons ... so it literally could go either way. I prefer plastic (and as such, would have probably purchased new Aspect plastic kits) simply because i find it considerably easier to convert.

But if they were hideous sculpts, then no, I would not buy them.

I love the look of those Wraithguard with the swords. Anyone know if it'll be possible to take them as troops?

Puscifer wrote:

 Khaine wrote:

 theharrower wrote:
Downloaded the preview of the Codex on iPad. Not as telling as the High Elf book, but it does have some weapon stats:

Shuriken Catapult 12" S4 AP5 Assault 2, Bladestorm
Shuriken Cannon 24" S6 AP5 Assault 3, Bladestorm

Bladestorm: When a weapon with this special rule rolls a 6 To Wound, the target is wounded automatically and the Wound is resolved at AP2.

Wow, that's cool. I think dire avengers are still going to be better than guardians.
I heard that fire dragons got a points increase and a slight buff, is that true? 22 points, 3+ save or something?

With those rules, I'm not so sure. More bodies for survivability and more chances to trigger Bladestorm in a large Guardian unit.

Also... even if all aspects are 3+, which I doubt, I can't see ten Avengers being better than twenty Guardians.

18 shots at BS 4 and 2 at BS 5 is worse than forty shots at BS 3.

Honestly both of them are looking like pretty competitive choices, especially guardians if they are 6 points as you say. Their offensive output is looking pretty nice, and their range is actually ok considering the run/shoot or shoot/run thing.

That flyer is beautiful.

The rest of the stuff is kinda eh, but I'm totally not into Eldar, so I'm fairly biased.

Interesting that the plastic farseer is male only.

Also got to say I find this rather funny both for $25 Canadian, guess I'm glad I held off buying the finecast one


http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod1700063a -Finecast

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod2060052a -Plastic

 Fezman wrote:
I love the look of those Wraithguard with the swords. Anyone know if it'll be possible to take them as troops?

Apparently if you take the Spiritseer you can take WG as troops.

I need some confusion cleared up here. Is the Spiritseer an independent HQ choice, or just a nice model to put in your Wraithguard squad instead of a Warlock?

@ Marzillius Spiritseer is an HQ, you can even see a model listed for it in the HQ section of the eldar on the website.

That new bladestorm rule is going to make guardian Jetbikes pretty nasty as well, they'll probably become the go to troop choice over both guardians and avengers. Especially if they get battlefocus rule as well.

Guys, something's wrong.
We've slipped into another dimension.
Some of the bundles on the preorder page actually make you save a few bucks! (Support weapon bundle, warwalkers,vypers,...)
I must be hallucinating

Yeah, except I don't want another 2000 pts army, I prefer to play Smallhammer. I hope GW (and retail) is going to continue selling single small vehicles.


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 Ouze wrote:

Interesting that the plastic farseer is male only.

I think a simple headswap should work fine if you want a female Farseer, the robes are not exactly showing. But anyway, it's another GW's fail, anyone who played DoW expects Farseers to be female.

cough i put a thread up about this in general discussion but i think the link might be appropriate here...

http://www.thecombatcompany.com/whats-happening-with-the-eldar-release/

GW shafting the aussie community just a bit more with eldar..

I think this is where GW and I part company. Everyone has their breaking point and £20.50 for 5 Dire Avengers is mine.

Nice Eldar minis though, particularly the Wraithguard.

One advantage that Dire avenger squads will have over Guardians is that they'll have an exarch and presumably longer range on their shuriken catapults. Why is this a big thing you ask? Exarch and his dire avenger buddies shoot at a squad of tac marines, exarch rolls a 6 to hit on 1 of his shots, (if he can still shoot 4 to 5 shots it would be pretty likely he'll do this a few times a game). Then he can allocate those shots on the Marine sergeant or heavy weapon model and hope you roll a 6 to wound, bam no power armour save for that important model! From the mathhammer he has an 11% chance to do that with 4 shots. So I hope he can still take dual catapults. Haha I can't wait for that to happen for the first time when fighting my friends blood angels!

Ok the pics on Yriel's blog confirm the new FD rules.

It looks like Wraithcannons are now 20< range with S10, AP2. Neat!

Huh, the WK is only $125 AUD... way less than I expected. Still way to expensive, but that's all of GW's stuff

Also, is it just be or is GW actually making mini bundles that save money? (The Squadrons)

Tau release had the 3 crisis suits bundled for a cheaper price, eldar release has 3 eldar-related ones (Vyper, Jetbike and War Walker) + 2 marine (Scout and Marine Bikers) and CSM (Bikers)...
I am actually happily surprised by this release... at least, until I looks at dire avengers

So tempted to make an near-all wraith army right now...

 Popenfresh wrote:
Ok the pics on Yriel's blog confirm the new FD rules.

It looks like Wraithcannons are now 20< range with S10, AP2. Neat!

Can't find anything there about the cannons being S10 AP2. Would be great if it was the case though

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I am actually happily surprised by this release... at least, until I looks at dire avengers

Personally I think the wraithknight is stupid, both the model and the price, and I don't like how expensive the mandatory flyers are becoming for every army, but it sounds to me like GW would have been much better off if they hadn't messed with dire avengers at all. They're just so blatantly fething their customers in the ass it isn't even funny. No one is happy about the price of basic infantry literally doubling, and even people who attempt to defend it are basically resorting to "Well it only screws new players, I.E. the future of the hobby and what will inevitably keep GW and other companies like them afloat, everyone else already has enough dire avengers so who cares? Besides new players won't know any better anyway!", which is no doubt what GW themselves were thinking when they were collectively unzipping their pants. Even if a newer player supposedly didn't know ahead of time that dire avengers got a 100% price increase, does it really take a genius to figure out how bad a deal that will be when he looks at the codex? He'll figure out what everyone else did a long time ago: "Hey, dire avengers are much better than guardians for the points (or at least as good as gakky Eldar troops can get). Looks like the most optimal squad size is ten guys, too...holy gak, I have to spend $70 on one fething troop choice?" And then imagine how much worse it gets when he finds out he needs at least 2000 points worth of models to play a standard game and that no one's willing to play against his half-painted battleforce.

But hey, what does GW care if he sticks with the hobby or not after that, they got his money for that first big purchase and that's all that matters.