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How do you take a normal Difficult Terrain test?

How do you repeatedly make a normal difficult terrain test?

Normally you take one diff terrain test per unit

So, when you get to the second model you find that it HAS taken a terrain test, as the rules for Diff terrain state they apply to the whole unit.

Repeating the process does not require you to repeatedly take the terrain test, as the rule states it applies once to the whole unit.

Normally each model is in a different position (as no model can occupy the same space as another) in the case of disembarking MODELS you're told to place one model from the unit in base contact with an access point and move it with the method they give you, a method the rulebook tells you to repeat for each model. In 5th you'd disembark and then if able to move the unit could move, difficult never effect the disembark part, just the moving afterwards. Where are you given permission in the 6the ed rulebook to not repeat part of the method and overall process tor disembarkation? You say as normal and I agree with you, each model takes a difficult or dangerous terrain check as normal.

Yep, and the rules for a difficult terrain check state it applies to the entire unit

You cannot take it "as normal" if you try to take it for each model

So, you repeat the preocess. Find you need to take a difficult terrain test. Find that the unit HAS taken a terrain test, and so does not need to take another one.

The method for disembarking a model makes no refference to the unit, only the model and it's a method you repeat per model. There's no permission given for not repeating one or more parts of the method. I get what you're saying and maybe that's how they intended it to work (RAI) but raw nothing tels you to not repeat part of the process/method of disembarking a model.

 Crablezworth wrote:
There's no permission given for not repeating one or more parts of the method.

It doesn't need to. It already told you to take tests 'as normal'. You take difficult terrain tests per unit.

Where are you given permission to ignore part of the method of placing disembarking models? Again guys, we're discussing RAW here, not RAI. You're told to repeat the method for each model. Each model is taking a normal difficult and or dangerous terrain test. Specific vs general.

 Crablezworth wrote:
Where are you given permission to ignore part of the method of placing disembarking models? Again guys, we're discussing RAW here, not RAI. You're told to repeat the method for each model. Each model is taking a normal difficult and or dangerous terrain test. Specific vs general.

Yes, you're told to repeat the process, taking difficult and dangerous tests as normal.

When you get to the second model, the unit has already taken a difficult terrain test. Taking another one for each individual model would not be taking the test 'as normal'...

When a model takes a difficult terrain test, the result of that test determines the distance the unit travels. Re-read the Moving Within Difficult Terrain section. If any models in the unit move in difficult terrain they (the models) are affected and no models can move more than that distance.

The difference between difficult and dangerous terrain tests is specified under the Dangerous Terrain section. "In addition, each model must take a Dangerous Terrain test as soon as it enters, leaves or moves within dangerous terrain."

Suppose you have a rhino, 2 access points face difficult and dangerous terrain, one access point faces clear terrain. You can see that you won't have enough space to place all your models in the clear terrain area, and one model will have to disembark into the difficult/dangerous terrain.

You have to roll a difficult terrain test because of that one model, and the result is the distance the entire unit may move, even those moving in clear terrain.

But only the model disembarking into the dangerous terrain has to take that test.

 Crablezworth wrote:
Where are you given permission to ignore part of the method of placing disembarking models? Again guys, we're discussing RAW here, not RAI. You're told to repeat the method for each model. Each model is taking a normal difficult and or dangerous terrain test. Specific vs general.

Yes, and Im discussing RAW

The model HAS taken the diff terrain test, as the unit has done so. Find permision to take it again, when you are taking it "as normal"

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
Where are you given permission to ignore part of the method of placing disembarking models? Again guys, we're discussing RAW here, not RAI. You're told to repeat the method for each model. Each model is taking a normal difficult and or dangerous terrain test. Specific vs general.

Yes, and Im discussing RAW

The model HAS taken the diff terrain test, as the unit has done so. Find permision to take it again, when you are taking it "as normal"

Each model has to move individually as per the rules; each model moves as normal. So you do a normal move, per model; really nothing hard to wrap your mind around. RAW nothing gives you permission not to repeat the method as it says per model

Well, apart from the rules for a difficult terrain test that is. Have you read them?

Have you read the rules for disembarking?

All moves are normal, at least as much as I couldn't find any "abnormal" move section in the rulebook. Nothing says to only repeat parts of the process of disembarking a model, it says to repeat the process. Period.

 Crablezworth wrote:
All moves are normal, at least as much as I couldn't find any "abnormal" move section in the rulebook. Nothing says to only repeat parts of the process of disembarking a model, it says to repeat the process. Period.

Yes, and the point being made is that repeating the process doesn't mean you have to roll difficult terrain for each model, because difficult terrain tests are taken for the unit the moment you choose to move into difficult terrain.

It doesn't say to take terrain tests for each model. It says to take them as normal. So you take the test for the unit as normal. As you move each model, you would then be bound by that difficult terrain roll as normal.

Even with 1 inch disembark could you not place a unit of 5 termies around the land raider?, it does not say you have to use the same access point so dasiy chain them around the raider from each access point I can see it being able to be done, 3 from the front two from the side

Its more of an issue with a chimera where you only have the 1 access point, so if you get a crap roll you might be forced to emergency disembark

 insaniak wrote:
It doesn't say to take terrain tests for each model. It says to take them as normal. So you take the test for the unit as normal. As you move each model, you would then be bound by that difficult terrain roll as normal.

"The model can then make a normal move – difficult and dangerous terrain tests should be taken as normal, but it must end its move wholly within 6 inches of the access point it disembarked from"

"Repeat this process for each model in the unit"

 Crablezworth wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
It doesn't say to take terrain tests for each model. It says to take them as normal. So you take the test for the unit as normal. As you move each model, you would then be bound by that difficult terrain roll as normal.

"The model can then make a normal move – difficult and dangerous terrain tests should be taken as normal, but it must end its move wholly within 6 inches of the access point it disembarked from"

"Repeat this process for each model in the unit"

As Normal. The unit rolls for maximum distance it can move and each model takes a Dangerous terrain test.

 Crablezworth wrote:
The model can then make a normal move – difficult and dangerous terrain tests should be taken as normal, but it must end its move wholly within 6 inches of the access point it disembarked from"

"Repeat this process for each model in the unit"

Yes, that's what happens. As has been explained.

Models always move one at a time, unless you are picking up the entire squad in one big handful. You still roll difficult terrain for the unit.

 Crablezworth wrote:

"The model can then make a normal move – difficult and dangerous terrain tests should be taken as normal, but it must end its move wholly within 6 inches of the access point it disembarked from"

"Repeat this process for each model in the unit"

Please note, that units disembark as a whole, rather than models individually.
This is made clear in emergency disembarkation, as even if you have managed to place all but one model, they can miraculously disappear back into the vehicle and not disembark at all.

To take a difficult terrain test normally, you roll for the entire unit.
Dangerous terrain tests are normally per model.

There are changes in this from 5th.
5th was a move of 2", followed by another optional move. This was described (reasonably enough) as deploying though that caused problems for some. Ie, deploying meant suddenly appearing, not by moving.

In 6th, to disembark, is not to move at all. You literally "deploy" the model, ironically, since that word has gone.
So, if you could legally place your entire unit, you could stay still and only count as moving for shooting purposes.

Another slightly ironic outcome, is that you would have to take a dangerous terrain test for "entering" it without strictly moving.

Hello tw, mate, how you doing, old bean what what???

 Crablezworth wrote:
"The model can then make a normal move – difficult and dangerous terrain tests should be taken as normal" ".

The rule tells you to make diff terrain tests as normal. The normal way is to roll for the whole unit. Isnt it? Show permission to not follow the diff terrain test rules after being told to do so.

 Crablezworth wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
It doesn't say to take terrain tests for each model. It says to take them as normal. So you take the test for the unit as normal. As you move each model, you would then be bound by that difficult terrain roll as normal.

"The model can then make a normal move – difficult and dangerous terrain tests should be taken as normal, but it must end its move wholly within 6 inches of the access point it disembarked from"

"Repeat this process for each model in the unit"

Yes, and the rule for a normal difficult terrain test is....the unit takes ONE test. So, you place the second model, take a difficult terrain test as normal, find you have already taken one, and move on. Rule fully complied with

Find a rule stating otherwise. Nothing you posted so far generates this supposed requirement.

Eat an ice cream as normal, repeat

"I normally only eat one ice cream"

REPEAT

 Crablezworth wrote:
Normally each model is in a different position (as no model can occupy the same space as another) in the case of disembarking MODELS you're told to place one model from the unit in base contact with an access point and move it with the method they give you, a method the rulebook tells you to repeat for each model. In 5th you'd disembark and then if able to move the unit could move, difficult never effect the disembark part, just the moving afterwards. Where are you given permission in the 6the ed rulebook to not repeat part of the method and overall process tor disembarkation? You say as normal and I agree with you, each model takes a difficult or dangerous terrain check as normal.

He's got a point though. One model units only take one diff/dangerous terrain check (obviously), and if they disembark one at a time then you can certainly see the argument. The RAI is probably that they take one test for the whole unit though.

 Crablezworth wrote:
Eat an ice cream as normal, repeat

"I normally only eat one ice cream"

REPEAT

I, the UNIT, takes one difficult terrain test
REPEAT

Oh look, STILL one difficult terrain test

How about you find a rule which requires each individual member of a unit to take a test that EXPLICITLY states the UNIT takes, DESPITE being told you take these tests AS NORMAL, and you can continue?

Continued refusal to find said rules will be treated as you now positing a HYWPI position.

There is still a difference between doing something "normally" and "repeat, normally". The rules tell you to "repeat" the process and part of that process is to perform a "normal" action.
To repeat something, regardless of if it was done normally or abnormally initially, still requires you to repeat it.

Yes the difficult terrain test rules say that the roll applies to the entire unit but the disembarking rules seem to change that in this one specific case. There are a lot of rules that are different in specific situations; to me this just looks like one of those cases.

 Crablezworth wrote:

"The model can then make a normal move – difficult and dangerous terrain tests should be taken as normal, but it must end its move wholly within 6 inches of the access point it disembarked from"

"Repeat this process for each model in the unit"

I see where you are making your error. Yes, the first model moves out. If it moves into difficult terrain, it takes a difficult terrain test. Let's say for the sake of argument you roll a '3' for it.

Is it just that model that can only move 3"? No, the entire unit can only move 3" because, "No models in the unit can move more than the distance indicated by the test,even if they are not in difficult terrain."

Note is says "...the test...". So the test, made by the first model to move into the difficult terrain, sets the maximum distance for the unit. No additional test can be taken, because it might change the distance the unit can move, which the rule does not allow.

So now you repeat the process. The next model moves out, taking difficult or dangerous terrain tests as normal. How is a normal difficult terrain test taken? "If any models in a unit start their move in difficult terrain, they are affected by the terrain and must take a Difficult Terrain test." Does it say anywhere that you take a new difficult terrain test if any other model in the unit also moves into difficult terrain? No. So you don't.

This is because in 5th, disembarking was not specified as normal movement, but in 6th, you disembark and then can move normally. And the normal move for a unit through difficult terrain has been repeated here too many times to count.

 LUTNIT wrote:
There is still a difference between doing something "normally" and "repeat, normally". The rules tell you to "repeat" the process and part of that process is to perform a "normal" action.
To repeat something, regardless of if it was done normally or abnormally initially, still requires you to repeat it.

Yes the difficult terrain test rules say that the roll applies to the entire unit but the disembarking rules seem to change that in this one specific case. There are a lot of rules that are different in specific situations; to me this just looks like one of those cases.

No, they do not change this. You are told to repeat the process, part of the process is determining whether you have to take a diff terrain test, as normal, and take the test, as normal

You take the test "as normal" once per unit. Nothing else has any basis in the rules