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Hey O.B.C. where have you run to? At least admit you were wrony after all that, all posts when you think your right but nothing when your not. Sore loser me thinks yah.

 Themanwiththeplan wrote:
Hey O.B.C. where have you run to? At least admit you were wrony after all that, all posts when you think your right but nothing when your not. Sore loser me thinks yah.

Sorry if I'm not on dakka 24/7 and have a life. As for the fact that I'm wrong, how so? You haven't posted any actual facts, and I have. I have proved that the Chimera is superior to the Rhino in all ways except for a few. It is all covered in my previous posts since I don't have the time to repeat myself to trolls.

I think this is where I better point out that for the vast majority of things in 40k, there is no "right" and "wrong" - only differing interpretations.

Let's not assume that the fans should be able to agree on any single one when not even the authors of the various books manage to do so. :3

And ofc, there's also the fact that fluff text and rules don't always go together. Whatever the rules give us is what we actually see on the table - the fluff is only flavor and oftentimes seems like blatant war propaganda.

 Grey Templar wrote:
In the case of fighting another major world power, tanks are still immensly useful.

Air power is very VERY expensive, particularly these super accurate missiles people rave about. The cost is going to be prohibitive in any armed conflict. To thepoint where the bulk of the work will still be done by boots on the ground and 30 ton armored vehicles.

I don't know about "immensely". Wacht am Rhein demonstrated pretty conclusively that the best tanks in the world won't help you if your enemy has air superiority, and we saw this again during Russia's intervention in the South Ossetia conflict where they lost a whole column of heavy armour to a single Georgian airstrike. There are certainly uses for tanks in the 21st century, but they're nothing like the essential weapon they used to be. Air power is definitely expensive, but so are a lot of modern tanks - they have to be to stay relevant. Their fuel consumption is astronomical and they're vulnerable to so many things.

I don't think they'll ever be obsolete, though, and they make plenty of sense in 40k.

 Lynata wrote:
I think this is where I better point out that for the vast majority of things in 40k, there is no "right" and "wrong" - only differing interpretations.

Let's not assume that the fans should be able to agree on any single one when not even the authors of the various books manage to do so. :3

I understand why you say that, but I think a limit should be placed.

For instance, if I say "The Grey Knights are secretly a cabal of Slaanesh-worshipping, Eldar-violating pedophiles", while I could theoretically base an army around that concept (And probably will at some point...), that "interpretation" of the fluff would still be, well, wrong.

Now claiming that the Grey Knights are Sister-butchering Khornettes on the other hand.

Also, they use the rhino because stfu and buy our models neckbeard.

 Void__Dragon wrote:


Also, they use the rhino because stfu and buy our models neckbeard.

Valid Point.

 Grey Templar wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
I think the real question is why are they using tanks at all in the 41st Millenium, considering their usefulness is being bought into question by the dawn of the 3rd Millenium.

Their usefulness is only doubted when there is no opposing armored force, and in the case of urban warfare.

In the case of fighting another major world power, tanks are still immensly useful.


Air power is very VERY expensive, particularly these super accurate missiles people rave about. The cost is going to be prohibitive in any armed conflict. To thepoint where the bulk of the work will still be done by boots on the ground and 30 ton armored vehicles.

Whereas an illiterate guerilla with an RPG-7 and an afternoon's training can quickly spoil one of those 30-tonne vehicles, and probably costs less than one tank of said vehicles' gas.

It's more convenient. The Rhino chassis is used for loads of things, and the Space Marines lack the industrial engine that powers the IG. The versatility of the Rhino makes it more convenient to use.

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The purpose of this board is to allow people to discuss the background of the 40k setting.

It is not here to allow you to try and score points over each other or trade insults.