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I wouldn't care about playing against it, looks cool, fits the world.

Mass hasn't changed, pose looks better, I'm ok with this

To be honest, I think this is fine. The model's not actually any smaller than it was - it's just pointed in a different direction. Yes, it'll have an easier time hiding below the tops of buildings etc, but it's so much longer than the original that it's now got a real problem with making sure that none of it is visible around corners. I guess it'd probably be a good idea to clear it in advance with TOs if you're thinking of bringing it to a tournament, but I'd certainly be cool with it if it showed up on a table opposite me.

Having said that, this is an absolutely fantastic conversion that looks miles better than the original and you deserve mad props for successfully converting such a precarious-looking model in such a way that it doesn't fall the heck apart in a stiff breeze.

You sir have made me want to model a trygon for a diorama, been looking for a MC to pose attacking a crisis suit and that would be perfect!

I would have no problem playing with that model, I deepstrike too and would hope to make your cover obsolete!

Good for looks. Lots of butthurt in here though.

Maybe adjust the angle of his body so people won't complain about it.

I really like your take on their pose.

Bubbalicious wrote:Wow.... this just shows how stupid 40k is...

The game is not at fault here; the players are. There's a substantial difference.

Only on Dakka...

Cool Trygon. Definitely useful when you have more than 1

I wouldnt have a problem playing against it, it looks fantastic and the cover save isnt changed from what it would be normally anyway. Doesnt it get a 5+ cover save in the original pose anyway? (hiding behind the platform in the picture.)

Thank you all for the support - I didn't expect so much drama from a modelling blog!

To clarify, here is the entire thought-process that spawned this thread:
1) I have 3 Trygons and didn't want them all to look the same
2) The default pose is pretty silly, especially in an army that relies so much on cover saves to make up for lack of invulns
3) Therefore a 'Smarter Trygon' is a good gimmick for a blog post.

That was the top and bottom of it - variation and some humour. LoS bonuses are incidental. If I was really TFG I'd have just glued the head to a base amongst a bunch of rubble and called it a day. Luckily I play in a club full of chill people who would never complain about 'modelling for advantage' for things like this.

So that said, I played a Planetstrike game with such chill people this weekend. Here are a couple of pictures with my all new Trygon brood, who managed to chalk up at least 2 Vindicators, 2 Tac Squads and 2 Bastions between them.

(and if you're confused, yes the drop pods are all proxy spore pods)

Bubbalicious wrote:Wow.... this just shows how stupid 40k is.. Glad i left it.. Whats wrong with modeling it just the way you like it, being prone, standing on its head whatever and just using the original model for LoF purposes?

And by the way, i think it looks good.

There is no problem with it. Even hunched over like that, the cover save from it standing behind that landing platform wouldn't increase. 40k has always been a game with relaxed modeling standards to encourage players to convert and personalize their armies. The OP was obviously attempting humor ("low flying dakkajets") and, as usual on Dakkadakka, everyone immediately jumped down his throat for it. Simply put:
haters gonna hate.

It does give the Trygon a much better look. But you have to admit its quite a bit lower then before, and so you will have to learn to deal with people that would seem upset about that, because yes, it does come off as MFA.

BUT!


People on here need to think about this for a second. Yes its now able to hide-ish behind that piece of terrain, but for feth sake folks, that is a GIANT piece of terrain. Now if he made it so he could hide behind a tank, or a corner of a demolished building, yes, I get it. If her were to just chop the model up and glue it in a pile on the base, yes, I can see your points. It can hide behind a big ass terrain piece, thats not game breaking

Awesome idea, from this day on, all my wraiths will now lie prone - minimum LOS to the enemy, feth yeah!

Seriously though, I appreciate your effort, it's really well-thought out, but it's 100% illegal modeling for advantage.

I love the look, and plan on modelling my upcoming mawloc and trygon in similar poses. To avoid the modeling for advantage though accusation I've been making up the base with either rocks or a lamp post to the height of the normal stand alone model. Use that for the height when LOS becomes an issue.

P.S. Love the modelling and look of your nids.

People can be so petty.

Since when is making a static looking model into dynamic model a reason to cry. This game encourages players to model and convert. The trygon's original pose is seriously lacklustre and, in light of its subterranian assault rule, this conversion is more fitting. A couple inches forward, a couple inches lower... so what. The base size is the same.

I would not say this model violates any rule that I'm aware of, nor does it smack of bad sportsmanship.

Here's a similar one I found:



I like this pose more so much more than the original, stock pose.

I think the main reason people flared so much is the wording used in the posts made by the OP...It reallly does sound like through the way it is worded, he is implying he did it deliberately for easier cover saves.

Looks pretty nice though, and that complain isn't very fair considering very little scenery will be big enough to completely cover it, and if it was, itd probably be big enough to effect the original model anyway.

Thinks OP is MFA

Crys like Twihard.

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On to the real story though; I can see where the MFA cries are coming from with the OPs wording but, looking at it, it would seem that the cover saves/LoS was an after thought on the model. I mean, if you had to rely on tee-shirt saves and cover for your army, you're not building your models to stand straight up and down on the tips of their toes. Hell, even if you're making 2+ AS with +5 IS you not going to build as tall as you can get.

I don't see people building Reavers, Defilers, Sentinels or gun drones to the heights of Storm Eagles nor standing as tall as possible for their model size. Why? Because they wouldn't survive at that height and would look rather stupid floating up there in space. Argue till you're blue in the face but I've seen my fair share of low flying models and crouched SMs and many of those models look amazing. Yet, for the life of me, I can never recall having heard anyone cry MFA about them but, I guess in their eyes, it's not quite the same and dropping your Trygon so he can hide behind one of the largest pieces of terrain that GW makes...

Either way, cry or rejoice, for I like the way the model was built as it actually embodies the "a colossal serpentine creature" bit of fluff that GW meant for it to be.

My theory is that while it can now hide behind terrain that's lower than the stock model, isn't it the other way, too? Now it CAN'T hide anymore behind terrain as skinny as the stock model can?

1 pro, 1 con. Seems fine.

Wow, that's a lot of heavy arguing back and forth. It's sad, really, since the modded Trygons do look much more dynamic, as you said before. Then, when people come in screaming "Modelling For Advantage!" then it just makes the whole experience quite sour (no offense to anyone who really is saying MFA), and then the hobby isn't so much fun.
Now, the way I see it, in order to avoid such argument in the future, if the opponent insists, you could maybe work something out before the game start to which both of you agree or something, so they can get right to blowing lascannon holes in said Trygon!
Okay, end of rant
Anyways, good job modelling, it looks much cooler than the stock model now!

I like it. I think it looks way more menacing and dynamic.

I really doubt it's MFA, unless there's a rare instance in which you would be completely out of LOS when you wouldn't otherwise, plus MC's only need 25% edition anyways.

Your trying a little too hard to win. I understand trying to make it look cool but this was obviously done just to make the model shorter. Good work anyway though.

im a nid player... and this is sooo MFA. look you took it from full height to half its height. even tho now you cant be like right up on something for cover. you can hide behind medium sized terrain and have nothing draw los. With true LOS this is MFA. not saying i'd flip out on the guy if he had 1 of his 3 played trygons like this but if he did it to all his trygons and big nids i'd get slightly peeved.

Perfect solution:

Use your altered model but for anything that relates to gameplay, e.g. checking whether it has cover, is in cover, can be seen etc. keep a spare original model and use it for that purpose.

/thread

 Sigvatr wrote:
Perfect solution:

Use your altered model but for anything that relates to gameplay, e.g. checking whether it has cover, is in cover, can be seen etc. keep a spare original model and use it for that purpose.

/thread

This is exactally what i would do as well...

Anyone who thinks the height difference of a model that size is going to be the difference between getting a cover save or not may need to see just how large that model is in person.

so you are telling me.... reducing a models height by almost half.. will not effect game play?

The trygon is modeled for disadvantage. rules say you cant target claws, horns, wings, or tails. it is raised up on its tail well above the height that any set of tyranid legs would place it.

Quick comparison:
on the Trygon it is 2.5 inches from the base to the center of the bottom arm socket(where legs would attach) from that point on the model stands straight up

On the Fex it is 1.25 and the model is severely hunched forward.

on the swarmlord/Tyrant it is 1.25 or 1.33 to the same socket .
on the Tervigon/Tyranno it is 2.75 to the same socket and that model is bent over to be almost on its chestplate.

The Trygon is a great looking model but it is poorly designed in game terms.considering you can;t target the tail that it sits on. it is like placing a skimmer or jetbike on a 2 1/2 post.

It's not a tail, it's part of its body.

I mean..come on now.

I say its amasing and your amasing for makeing the model.

First off, there is no such thing as the stock figure being "modelled for disadvantage" - the profile of the model is intrinsic to it's balance; it's up to you to then decide if that makes it overcosted or not.

Also I don't see any drama that so many people are mentioning on this - it's simply a debate as to whether or not this is modelling for advantage.

The bottom line is that yes, intentional or not, this is modelling for advantage; by the letter of the law, your Trygon can now get coversaves from Gaunts, which is pretty huge. HOWEVER , if I was playing against you, I would have no problem with you using that model - providing of course the win/loss didn't mean anything! If it did, as others have said simply measure against what would be the height of the Trygon if it would make a difference, and there wouldn't be a problem...

Lets not take away from the fact that this is an excellent piece of work!

so you are telling me.... reducing a models height by almost half.. will not effect game play?

Not at all. Im saying exactly what my post did.

I'll quote myself for the betterment of those who have difficulty reading.

Anyone who thinks the height difference of a model that size is going to be the difference between getting a cover save or not may need to see just how large that model is in person.

Covering 25 percent of a model that size isnt difficult, at all. The pose changes nothing at all when hiding behind most larger objects field-able in the game. The model got a 5+ save before and a 5+ save after the change.

All this whining over nothing, literally nothing.