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So my friends and I are setting up a tournament of sorts to help with newbs (such as myself) to help them learn how to play their armies. After the win/lose/draw/playing a new opponent point scores happen, we can "unlock" new choices, like Fast Attack, Elites, named HQs , etc. However, until we obtain enough points, we have 1 HQ choice and up to 4 Troop choices available. Once we get through the first set of games, we can spend our points to unlock the new choices and the point total will increase to 750pts, 1000, etc. So, keeping this in mind, I would like to create an army that can be easily expanded, due to my budget constraints.

Now, as for the games I've played. I've gone through two games, and I've been tabled both games. The first game was against the Dark Eldar (the Lords of Chaos were not with me and I barely managed 2 kills in the game, but none of my daemons scattered, I was mowed down by Splinter Rifles on Raiders with Splinter Racks). The second against Imperial Guard (the Lords granted my favor and destroyed the tank, the elites inside, and then were summarily peppered to death).

Any feedback is well appreciated. Here is my current list (limited to 500pts for the first few battles):

HQ 0.5
Herald of Tzeentch 85pts
+Bolt of Tzeentch
+Master of Sorcery

HQ 0.5
Herald of Tzeentch 95pts
+Chariot of Tzeentch
+Bolt of Tzeentch

Troop 1
Pink Horrors x10 180pts
+Bolt of Tzeentch

Troop 2
Daemonettes x10 140pts

Other thoughts:
After the first couple of games, it felt like I would have been better off without the Herald on Chariot, scrapped the Daemonettes, and either brought more Pink Horrors or swapped the Daemonettes for Bloodletters.
After a bit, I thought that the Daemonettes and Herald on Chariot could have been swapped out for Plaguebearers and a Chaos Icon, but the Icon is a bit much and could net me a better Herald.

Thanks everyone!

Pink horrors are great for initial board presence, they can seriously dish out the pain the turn they come down.

Really, the main problem you'll have is that you have to wave, meaning you are committing 250pts to the board, and if they wipe out that 250pts with their 500pts you lose as you have no models on the board.

I'd keep the chariot as he's surprisingly tough especially at that points level and gives you anti tank, and replace the Deamonettes with more horror's, the 4+ save is great!

Vs. Vehicles look to deepstrike behind the vehicle if not suicide to do so and torrent the rear armour usually 10 to death with your horrors. A cheeky bolt of tzeentch into the rear wouldn't hurt either.

Yep, that's what I did to the tank vs Imperial Guard. The Raiders I couldn't hit before the received new holes. ^_^

So then, how would this stack up:

HQ 0.5
Herald of Tzeentch 100pts
+Chariot of Tzeetch
+Master of Sorcery
+Bolt of Tzeentch

HQ 0.5
Herald of Tzeentch 85pts
+Master of Sorcery
+Bolt of Tzeentch

Tr 1
Pink Horrors x9 163pts
+Bolt of Tzeentch

Tr 2
Pink Horrors x 8 151pts
+Bolt of Tzeentch
+Changeling (since I couldn't do anything with the remaining 5 pts, unless I took stuff off a Herald)

I like to give my Heralds on foot We are Legion as well so that the Pink Horror unit they are with can shoot at one tank/infantry unit and they can try to frag a second.

Also, the new Flamers are excellent (same with screamers) I would consider units of both of them.

Yeah, I had thought about mixing things up, possibly throwing in some Plaguebearers and I came up with this as an alternative:

HQ 0.5
Herald of Tzeentch 100
+Chariot of Tzeentch
+Master of Sorcery
+Bolt of Tzeentch

HQ 0.5
Herald 95
+Master of Sorcery
+We Are Legion
+Bolt of Tzeentch

Troop 1
Plaguebearers x5 75

Troop 2
Plaguebearers x5 75

Troop 3
Pink Horrorsx8 151
+Bolt of Tzeentch
+Changeling

OR (If you are allowed to have multiple Chariots of Tzeentch)


HQ 1
Herald of Tzeentch x2 220
+Chariot of Tzeentch
+We Are Legion
+Master of Sorcery
+Bolt of Tzeentch

Troop 1
Plaguebearers x5 75

Troop 2
Plaguebearers x5 75

Troop 3
Pink Horrorsx7 129
+Bolt of Tzeentch

(Keeping in mind that the text mentions only one chariot and that I am currently limited to 1 HQ and 4 Troop choices)

You could for fun replace the heralds with a greater demon for a few more points.
You would loose out on number of anti tank shots for the option to tear it apart in combat, but I don't think mathhammer would say it was a better choice as such.

For your next addition I would think about screamers.
Or a heavy support.

But from what I see, these are probably about the most optimized lists you can reasonably run at the points, FO restrictions or not.

So, I found something that should not have worked but did. I was playing against a Grey Knight Army consisting of a 5 man Grey Knight Terminator Squad and a 5 man Grey Knight Strike Squad (psybolt ammo) with a Librarian (Dark Excommunication) and a couple other goodies I can't remember at this time. Granted, there wasn't that many enemy models on the board and two of my units scattered to within 2" of his Termi and Strike units.

My army was this:

Herald of Tzeentch 110pts
+Master of Sorcery
+Bolt of Tzeentch
+Chariot of Tzeentch
+We are Legion

Herald of Tzeentch 100pts
+Master of Sorcery
+Bolt of Tzeentch
+Chariot of Tzeentch

Pink Horrors x5 95pts
+Bolt of Tzeentch

Pink Horrors x5 95pts
+Bolt of Tzeentch

Pink Horrors x5 100pts
+Bolt of Tzeentch
+Changeling

Any thoughts on this load out for future games?

I usually run in my 1500+ lists the same troop loadout but with one big unit of Daemonettes as well. The Tzeetch Heralds remain excellent although I think their usefulness in chariots will diminish as the amount of small arms fire increases - to that end I think running them on a Disc with some Flamers is a great idea or with some Screamers to pass out wounds.

So I'm working on trying a different force against Space Wolves (who have been tearing me to shreds the past couple games) what is the general opinion of this load out:


Herald of Tzeentch 100pts
+Master of Sorcery
+Bolt of Tzeentch
+Chariot of Tzeentch

Pink Horrors x5 95pts
+Bolt of Tzeentch

Pink Horrors x5 95pts
+Bolt of Tzeentch

Bloodletters of Khorne x7 112pts

Daemonettes of Slaanesh x7 98

I think your list has some very appropriate units such as the herald of tzeentch but i would have not given the herald any upgrades since HQ choices are not as important to me as the other choices. (this is only my opinion) I understand your idea of mixing different Gods of chaos to balance the different units. For example horrors being good at long range and bloodletters being amazing as a melee unit. Your only worry is that if your opponent is taking a unit of terminators then it is not recommended to take bloodletters since the 6th edition rules say that hellblades only counts as AP3 so the terminators will still get their armour save. Perhaps for your troops selection you could replace 5 horrors and your daemonettes with 7 plagubearers since they own at holding objectives and the probability that you are using objectives is a 2/3 chance. I would spend less points on your troops options and i would definitely recommend getting a daemon prince with wings since they have got even better now.

I would have made my list like this :
HQ
Herald of Tzeentch 50

Elites
Flamers x3 69 ( i have heard from the mini update of the chaos daemon codex that they are 23 points each)

Troops
7 plaguebearers 115
5 pink horrors +the changeling 90

Daemon prince daemonic flight +60 unholy might +20 160

You really want to add screamers and flamers as soon as possible.

Horrors are ALWAYS in squads of 5x with bolt.

.....everything else looks good ^,..,^

Finally started the 750pt round.
I grabbed a couple of Elite slots and a Fast Attack slot. I have 20 pts left, (Heavies cost 10 ea, FA/E cost 6 ea, HQ cost 5 ea, Troops Cost 2 ea, named HQ usable every other game 8 ea).

My current load out after I finally got the WD update is:

HQ (65pts)
Herald of Tzeentch
+Disc of Tzeentch

Elites (240pts)
Flamers x5 + Pyrocaster
Flamers x6

Fast Attack (225pts)
Screamers x9

Troops (195pts)
Pink Horrors + Bolt of Tzeentch
Pink Horrors + Bolt of Tzeentch + Changeling

I've thought of swapping the PHs out for Nurglings and bringing extra Flamers, but that would mean I would need to table the opponent or remove their scoring units.

Thoughts?

 xSoulgrinderx wrote:
Horrors are ALWAYS in squads of 5x with bolt.

.....everything else looks good ^,..,^

Going to disagree slightly here - large squads of Horrors are actually quite good now. I ran a squad of 18 over the weekend, they glanced the heck out of vehicles and mowed down units while providing a terminator tarpit to boot.

Group the flamers together in a single unit of nine. Use the remaining points to tool up the herald.


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I can pretty much guarantee that very few armies can chew through a full unit of flamers at 750 points.