[DreamForge-Games] We are going plastic! Kickstarter $205K (Pledge Manager opened to new backers)

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**catharsix**

NoseGoblin wrote:Here are a few widgets for anyone who would like to support the DreamForge-Games Kickstarter project. You don’t need to be a contributor to help out....

http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2012/08/kickstarter-supporters-widgets.html

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When i pledge, I'll put one in my Dakka and Bartertown sigs - the more people we can get on board the better!

And BTW, Nose Goblin, I suggest that you should put a big shiny advertisement for this in YOUR sig. I wanted to go straight to the Kickstarter from a post by you, but had to click through several pages. You want to make it as fast as possible for someone to get to your KS page. I highly recommend putting a link in your sig with pretty pictures of all the shinies! (like the Crusader!)

Basically what you have made for us!

-C6

**NoseGoblin**

catharsix wrote:
NoseGoblin wrote:Here are a few widgets for anyone who would like to support the DreamForge-Games Kickstarter project. You don’t need to be a contributor to help out....

http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2012/08/kickstarter-supporters-widgets.html

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When i pledge, I'll put one in my Dakka and Bartertown sigs - the more people we can get on board the better!

And BTW, Nose Goblin, I suggest that you should put a big shiny advertisement for this in YOUR sig. I wanted to go straight to the Kickstarter from a post by you, but had to click through several pages. You want to make it as fast as possible for someone to get to your KS page. I highly recommend putting a link in your sig with pretty pictures of all the shinies! (like the Crusader!)

Basically what you have made for us!
-C6

Haha why did I not think of that..... sign... too many late nights.

**Vain**

Commander Cain wrote:Oh thank you thank you thank you for the stormtroopers! I have a feeling that they will pull in many more supporters. Some nice low-level pledges should appeal to a much larger audience, especially when it is only $2 a miniature!

Damn right! Already there are a whole 3 supporters....mmm I really hope that is just coz people are asleep and not that lots of people here asked for them and now aren't following through.

To to be serious, I hope this lower buy-in does cut the mustard and we start seeing the money roll in. After all, close to 45% in two days is just way too slow!

**NoseGoblin**

Vain wrote:
Commander Cain wrote:Oh thank you thank you thank you for the stormtroopers! I have a feeling that they will pull in many more supporters. Some nice low-level pledges should appeal to a much larger audience, especially when it is only $2 a miniature!

Damn right! Already there are a whole 3 supporters....mmm I really hope that is just coz people are asleep and not that lots of people here asked for them and now aren't following through.

To to be serious, I hope this lower buy-in does cut the mustard and we start seeing the money roll in. After all, close to 45% in two days is just way too slow!

I am with you, I want to get to some of those step rewards....

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Anyone know how to post the code for the sig without it being active? I need to find a way for people to copy paste.... If not you can find the code on my blog. http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2012/08/kickstarter-supporters-widgets.html

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**scarletsquig**

^ Use the "code" tags!

They even come with a handy copy to clipboard button.

**NoseGoblin**

scarletsquig wrote:^ Use the "code" tags!

[url=http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dreamforge-games/something-wicked-this-way-comes-crusader-plastic-m][img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VwdbRalcI9o/UC6TfiBib3I/AAAAAAAABy0/OviHt_w6O8I/s1600/Crusader.jpg[/img][/url]

[url=http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dreamforge-games/something-wicked-this-way-comes-crusader-plastic-m][img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JV5BYmNBNME/UC6Ta0t-sGI/AAAAAAAABys/i2x1OPhX1cg/s1600/Infantry+pledge+m.jpg[/img][/url]
They even come with a handy copy to clipboard button.

Ahhh thank you!

**Azazelx**

Eilif wrote:
I couldn't care less about GW compatibility. As you say, they are one of the chief pusher of the "our-minis-our-game" and anything that smacks of that rubs me the wrong way. From a sales perspective though, I think the more GW compatible a miniature set is, the more $ it will make for it's creator.

I care about general customization for any game system, which is why I think that in a box with 20 figs it makes sense to have more, rather than less options. That should also explain why I was a bit confused that there weren't more options in the trooper box. Having awesome looking troopers and plenty of leg options yet having arm sets whose only extra option is SMG's with or without grenade launchers seems a bit odd. I would have expected a 20 figure box to have enough weapons to arm all the troopers with SMG's or rifles, but that's just me...

Not trying to be overly harsh here. I'd love to see these do well, and if I wasn't tied into the Reaper kickstarter, I'd pick up the trooper box just to play around with and make some "Not-Sandtroopers". I just think it'd be an obvious choice to include enough options in a new figure line to give it as wide an appeal as possible.

I have to agree with Elif here. Sci-fi troopers (actually, any miniatures) in my collection are expected to participate in whatever game I plunk them down on the table for, and it'd be nice if these kits were a little more flexible to have all the options on the sprue in one box.

**NoseGoblin**

Zweischneid wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Just to add a bit here, Kickstarter is halfway between an investment and a preorder. They make no guarantee a project will happen (even if funded) or that supporters will get their products in a timely, or any, manner.

I think this is worth remembering always.

Kickstarter gives you no "investors-shares" of a projects future profits for supporting a project early on, nor does it give you "customer-rights" in the way a regular pre-order of products would.

It's cool for what it is, funding by crowd-driven fan-hype, but it's should never by confused with either an investment or a purchase (even a pre-order).

Not to say anything bad about DreamForge. They have done previous Kickstarters, their reputation is spotless, their products top-notch. This particular Kickstarter is as safe as it gets.

But IF (at some other Kickstarter) you'd run into problems, you'd be largely on your own.

Thank you for the confidence and for your awsome page! http://blog.pinsofwar.net/dreamforge-kickstarter/

**Fafnir**

I've put down $20. I'd put in more, but I just have no use for more. Still, excited for this project, and hope that it's incredibly successful.

**Sigmundr**

100th backer. I wanted one of these in resin, but 350 was a bit too steep for my wallet. Might even up it to two Crusaders, one to leave unmolested, the other to convert into a Khorne worshipping superheavy.

**NoseGoblin**

Thank you for the support!

Speaking of support, here is the Eisenkern Support Weapons Set.

**Grundz**

those are awesome, my only complaint is the bullet shields need a little jazzing up

**agnosto**

You've got my support.

**Lanithion**

And I'm in. First kickstarter and first No-GW mini (hopefully). Good luck mate!

**Eilif**

Those heavy weapons are stunning!

The three man teams with gunner, loader and spotter also seem very realistic, though I'm not enough of a military buff to be able to speak authoritatively.

**AlexHolker**

NoseGoblin wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:While it won't be relevant for a while, would you mind saying how much inspiration the Eisenkern APC is going to draw from the Wehrmacht look?

The basic shape will be quite recognizable but very updated and contemporary, a good fusion of past and future..... I hope to be able to offer this as a stretch reward....

Thanks for the reply. If you're referring to features like sloped sides and V-hulls that are common to both the iconic Sd.Kfz. 251 and modern mine-resistant vehicles, chances are good that it won't look out of place carrying other forces.

NoseGoblin wrote:Speaking of support, here is the Eisenkern Support Weapons Set.

Do you think the weapons themselves will be on the same sprue as the crew?

**CrashCanuck**

Considering there are still 28 days left as of this posting and the kickstarter is already halfway to it's goal, I'm glad I have supported this and look forward to seeing my own Leviathan in the mail.

**Mad4Minis**

CrashCanuck wrote:
Considering there are still 28 days left as of this posting and the kickstarter is already halfway to it's goal, I'm glad I have supported this and look forward to seeing my own Leviathan in the mail.

It is a good start, but most kickstarters have big jumps on the first days. The question is will it hold out to the end or not. Im pulling for it hard, not just because this is a very cool project, but because it will open the door for many more.

**plastictrees**

Mad4Minis wrote:
CrashCanuck wrote:
Considering there are still 28 days left as of this posting and the kickstarter is already halfway to it's goal, I'm glad I have supported this and look forward to seeing my own Leviathan in the mail.

It is a good start, but most kickstarters have big jumps on the first days. The question is will it hold out to the end or not. Im pulling for it hard, not just because this is a very cool project, but because it will open the door for many more.

It opened alongside GenCon, obviously that was intentional but I don't think you can assess that initial bump until at least next tuesday given the timing.
It also has recieved over half of it's goal pledges in two days, and is probably the most niche of the "Kickstarters Dakka is excited about" that we've seen. I think it's doing just fine.

**Vitruvian XVII**

Yeah it'll get funded, though i suspect a lot of people are really hoping for the 80k stretch goal to be reached. I know i am.

**Mad4Minis**

plastictrees wrote:
Mad4Minis wrote:
CrashCanuck wrote:
Considering there are still 28 days left as of this posting and the kickstarter is already halfway to it's goal, I'm glad I have supported this and look forward to seeing my own Leviathan in the mail.

It is a good start, but most kickstarters have big jumps on the first days. The question is will it hold out to the end or not. Im pulling for it hard, not just because this is a very cool project, but because it will open the door for many more.

It opened alongside GenCon, obviously that was intentional but I don't think you can assess that initial bump until at least next tuesday given the timing.
It also has recieved over half of it's goal pledges in two days, and is probably the most niche of the "Kickstarters Dakka is excited about" that we've seen. I think it's doing just fine.

Im anticipating a good bump or two after a couple weeks, once people get a paycheck or two to recover from Gencon and the last couple big kickstarters.

**jason2250**

I really like these models. Is this a game with rules, or are they just models that can be adapted?

Any thoughts on a 40K//Apocalypse application?

Paul

**Mad4Minis**

jason2250 wrote:
I really like these models. Is this a game with rules, or are they just models that can be adapted?

Any thoughts on a 40K//Apocalypse application?

Paul

There is a game in the works, but the difficulties with the resin products have hurt its development. Once the models have started the move to plastic there will be more development of the game rules, fluff, etc.

As far as 40k goes...the 28mm Crusader (main subject of the kickstarter) is closest to a Warhound in size, being only a little bit shorter. Its too big to be a Knight or Dreadknight. If/when the 15mm Crusader gets done it will be perfect size for a Dreadknight or even Contemptor.

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Sigmundr wrote:
100th backer. I wanted one of these in resin, but 350 was a bit too steep for my wallet. Might even up it to two Crusaders, one to leave unmolested, the other to convert into a Khorne worshipping superheavy.

In thinking of some heavy conversions for one of mine as well. Starting with either an axe or wrecking ball in place of the sword.

**Sigmundr**

Yeah, the group I play with likes to throw random apoc battles, or use superheavies in a normal 40k game (usually both sides have one, or a 25% point handicap). I'm thinking the Lord of battles, modifying that datasheet a bit. Mostly making it a superheavy walker, and changing the d6 roll chart to be 6th edition compatible.

**Mathieu Raymond**

Just pledged. My gaming group was stoked about it and we went for the 300$ pledge!

**Makaleth**

If the Heavy Infantry come up, will grab some more of that (along with the gaming group) but at the moment it seems that I am the only one dipping the toe in for this kickstarter from my group.

**Mad4Minis**

Makaleth wrote:
If the Heavy Infantry come up, will grab some more of that (along with the gaming group) but at the moment it seems that I am the only one dipping the toe in for this kickstarter from my group.

Remind them that even the $89 level is less than regular retail will be later on...this is the best time to get in on it.

**Mathieu Raymond**

Yes, and compared to other manufacturers, this is a steal.

So, NoseGoblin, how was/is GenCon? Are you surviving the onslaught? Was there a lot of positive noise over the project?

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Also, it's interesting that the pledges at higher levels include the opportunity to weigh in on the Iron Core gaming system, as well as a copy of the rules. Since it seems to be more vehicle-oriented with infantry support, this could fit my style of play very nicely... and maybe ween some of my group off the GW fetish.

I understand, they have kids, and big jobs, but there is so much gaming out there to be experienced...

**Padre**

I'm in...pledged, and will be checking everyday.

Best of luck, Mark - personally, I'd love to see the $100K twin gatling cannon level reached. That would look fantastic on a display model!

Padre^.

**catharsix**

Past the 50% mark, 27/28 days to go...