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 Necros wrote:
Great news, Mortis is what I really want You may see some slow down in backers in the middle of the campaign but don't panic, it always happens. I'm sure it will get to 30k pretty soon and keep climbing, and then a huge surge at the very end

I hope so, looks like it dropped several hundred $$s today...was over 20k, now high 19s.

Backer number hasn't changed though. Might be some people making money available for things that are ending sooner. Oh well, fingers crossed it goes off for the smaller ones. They'd be great Iron Warrior add-ons.

If Reaper can get it into the 1G mark, I'm sure a nice kit like this one can reach the 100K mark.

Although it looks incredibly good, I'm not quite sure I buy into the design philosophy of something like the Mortis. As an example, Battletech had the Axeman, which at 65 tons was just enough for a one hit one kill attack if you got lucky on the dice. I had the hardest time keeping it alive long enough to reach CC though.

Mortis option is good; might bring in more backers! But for my part; I'll stay with the vanilia with the upgraded "backpack" and "sword".

However; I realy realy realy hope the Eisenkern Heavy troopers will join in in the end as stretchgoals so I can ad them to my pledge and get a REALY nice plastic footslugger kit!

I notice the Mortis is now a 90K stretch goal.

Mark, I know you said this was a possibility, and you've had a conversation with your manufacturer... isn't a Mortis quite a bit more work than a second one of those gatling guns?

Don't forget to, you know, sleep, with all of this going on.

Hello guys, I'd too like to pledge for a couple of Leviathan and a few dozen Eisenkern Stormtroopers (I expecially hope the pledge reaches the 50k stretch...), but, unfortunately, I seem to lack a credit card... Do any of you venerable sirs know if it's possible to pledge on a debit card? I'd really, really like to, if possible...

I dont have a credit card, and have pledged for multiple kickstarters with my debit card. As long as amazon accepts your type of debit card it should be golden.

LastCameTheRaven wrote:
Hello guys, I'd too like to pledge for a couple of Leviathan and a few dozen Eisenkern Stormtroopers (I expecially hope the pledge reaches the 50k stretch...), but, unfortunately, I seem to lack a credit card... Do any of you venerable sirs know if it's possible to pledge on a debit card? I'd really, really like to, if possible...

It should work exactly like a credit card.

I just got off a very long call with the manufacturer...... I have some great news. The Leviathan Motis will be an option for a stretch goal !

I have a lot of things to add and some renders to work up but you will see it added today. VERY exciting!

OOOOH....A Chaos Knight....

Although i have to admit as I would use it for 40K I would love a Crusader, with the normal chain-cannon but with the Mortis power claw instead of the sword.

Ok so, I'm confused.

At 50k we unlock the support weapons to pledge more money to, but no bonus is actually added to existing pledges.

At 80k we unlock the 15mm crusader, I assume to pledge money to as well. Nothing actually gained by existing pledges.

At 90k we unlock the mortis...to pledge in addition to the crusader? Or do we get the conversion pieces needed to turn our crusader into one? Still nothing gained.

Maybe I've missed the point or become jaded from all the crazy free stretch goal stuff Zombicide, Sedition Wars, Avatars of War, and other kickstarters offered from theirs, but it still seems like there's not a whole lot of incentive to pledge beyond getting a cheaper Leviathan. Really the only "extra's" backers get so far are the backpack and a sword that looks almost identical to the one it comes with. Oh and the way far away 100k extra cannon.

I talked with Wargames Forge at GenCon and they were very interested to know what was going on with this, but also stated that they didn't have any control over the actual details of the kickstarter. The model looked awesome, but like I said, beyond the 30k-40k mark, there is no real incentive for anyone, which is a shame because I've always loved Mark's models and had hoped there would eventually be a KS to get Iron-Core going strong.

As others have stated there should have been smaller and larger pledges as well. $1 gets you a thank you email or something. $1000 gets you a painted Crusader. At $2500 Mark brings you in and shows you how he develops and casts the models for a day. Something. As it is right now, its just a bunch of wishful pre-order items.

I'd also like a bit of clarification for the new stretch goals as to what I'd get if I say, pledge 300 and it hits the stretch goals...

Yeah, the one down side to this kickstarter is that the stretch goals are a bit wonky. Little in the way of rewards (backpack is nice and so is the sword but that's about all that's out there) and a bit of a mix.

Still glad I put in for a crusader but I think the stretch goals could be worked on a bit.

Here is a freebie.
http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2012/08/stormtrooper-accessory-pack.html

well i'm sold, I'm in for the biggest batch of infantry too, maybe more later, are the heavy weapon or CC infantry planned for the immediate future?

Why are we only getting 4 drum magazines per box if we get like 16 mg42's? :(

I'd love to see a size comparaison with minis from other compagnies such as GW and Infinity.

Thanks Nosegoblin. That'll teach me to type something before checking the site.

I'm not complaining because I feel I'm getting an excellent value for what I've already pledged.

 Von Skyfury wrote:
I'd love to see a size comparaison with minis from other compagnies such as GW and Infinity.

$90 for a baddass Warhound shipped? Yes, please!

Thanks !
Now how big are these other minis compared to a GW guardsman or space marine ? =P

 Von Skyfury wrote:
Thanks !
Now how big are these other minis compared to a GW guardsman or space marine ? =P

There are some pics around I just can't find atm, they are a bit thinner and slightly taller than a SM iirc

 Grundz wrote:

 Von Skyfury wrote:
Thanks !
Now how big are these other minis compared to a GW guardsman or space marine ? =P

There are some pics around I just can't find atm, they are a bit thinner and slightly taller than a SM iirc

Thanks for the info !

Mathieu Raymond wrote:I notice the Mortis is now a 90K stretch goal.

Mark, I know you said this was a possibility, and you've had a conversation with your manufacturer... isn't a Mortis quite a bit more work than a second one of those gatling guns?

Don't forget to, you know, sleep, with all of this going on.

It is a bit of kit, but the files are allready at the manufacuter and the mold draft angles are allready in process, so time wise it is about the same.

kaiohx wrote:Ok so, I'm confused.

At 50k we unlock the support weapons to pledge more money to, but no bonus is actually added to existing pledges.

At 80k we unlock the 15mm crusader, I assume to pledge money to as well. Nothing actually gained by existing pledges.

At 90k we unlock the mortis...to pledge in addition to the crusader? Or do we get the conversion pieces needed to turn our crusader into one? Still nothing gained.

Maybe I've missed the point or become jaded from all the crazy free stretch goal stuff Zombicide, Sedition Wars, Avatars of War, and other kickstarters offered from theirs, but it still seems like there's not a whole lot of incentive to pledge beyond getting a cheaper Leviathan. Really the only "extra's" backers get so far are the backpack and a sword that looks almost identical to the one it comes with. Oh and the way far away 100k extra cannon.

I talked with Wargames Forge at GenCon and they were very interested to know what was going on with this, but also stated that they didn't have any control over the actual details of the kickstarter. The model looked awesome, but like I said, beyond the 30k-40k mark, there is no real incentive for anyone, which is a shame because I've always loved Mark's models and had hoped there would eventually be a KS to get Iron-Core going strong.

As others have stated there should have been smaller and larger pledges as well. $1 gets you a thank you email or something. $1000 gets you a painted Crusader. At $2500 Mark brings you in and shows you how he develops and casts the models for a day. Something. As it is right now, its just a bunch of wishful pre-order items.

Thats a question that will require a rather lengthy answer.... I will try to address that at the end of this post.

Nuwisha wrote:I'd also like a bit of clarification for the new stretch goals as to what I'd get if I say, pledge 300 and it hits the stretch goals...

Depends on which stretch goals we hit and if you are only going for the Leviathans. If this is the case then at 40k you get free Capacitor Coolers, at 60k a sword swap at 100k a free left hand Vulkan.

agnosto wrote:Yeah, the one down side to this kickstarter is that the stretch goals are a bit wonky. Little in the way of rewards (backpack is nice and so is the sword but that's about all that's out there) and a bit of a mix.

Still glad I put in for a crusader but I think the stretch goals could be worked on a bit.

Let’s see if I can go over the rewards and the stretch goals and why they are what they are. If you are looking for a ton of free items, you may find the project rather sparse. The simple fact is that the molds need to be paid for. That is the core goal for this Kickstarter. I cannot offer anything that cannot be paid for and I refuse to make promises to my backers that I cannot deliver on.

Each stretch goal and reward is carefully planned not only at what level it will appear but also where the steps in backing fall on the total dollars needed to fund that reward and the time it will take to deliver the reward (how much time I am using from the production queue of the manufacturer) I would dearly love to give more freebies to all of you but I have reached the limit of my available backing to deliver the items promised. If we start hitting higher total pledge amounts through more backers then I will start to have a little more wiggle room. As it is currently the stretch goals up to $100k have used every last bit of available credit my company has.

It’s the old dilemma the chicken or the egg. I need more backers, but I cannot offer more freebies until I have more backers .
Thank you all for the questions and your support!

The goals are looking better, but until some of them are unlocked this will still go slow.

Sad, I really want a Mortis in plastic NOW!


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Thanks NoseGoblin,

Totally understand the limitations of the company, I think people are just spoilt at the moment with KS choice.

If this came 6 months ago... it might have been a different story

I think people need to also keep in mind the size of the companies that shower backers with tons of stuff. Reaper really isnt some start up thats just getting going (not saying dream forge is either)

The only down side to a kick starter like this is I cant use the shut up and take my money gif since its got time lines

The Mule is great, love how the design is based on an IRL military robot.

Nosegoblin,

Do you plan on offering different weapon loadouts in the future? (not talking about the kickstarter but afterwards) It'd be nice to buy some different weapon arms later on down the road.

I'm looking forward to backing this as much as I can. Thanks for the answers!

I want to pledge on the $300 dollar option, does the $30 shipping cost cover sending it to the UK?

@Agnosto: If you look at the kickstarter blurb, it says that because the arms are twist-off, you will be able to exchange them with future variants and releases.

I'm going to go against the general feeling here and say that the stretch goals are done very smartly. If the funding hits the 45K and 50K stretch goals, this will encourage people to pledge extra money to get those unlocked goodies. Like Xbox Live extra characters for fighting games. The the funding will grow on its own. Brilliant.

I have to say that the timing is not great on this one. Sedition wars has a lot of people holding cash for the CKPM, and Reaper's KS is also swallowing a lot of people's cash. The audiences aren't exactly the same of course, but there's obviously a lot of crossover.