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I have found my Inquisitorial Warrior Acolytes and my Grey Knight Space Marine count-as models for my Adeptus Mechanicus army.

Praise be to the Omnissiah

10k till Mortis!

This is interesting. I just downloaded the excel spreadhseet and "All your base" shipping with nothing else added at all comes to $39 rather than the original $30 listed in the kickstarter. I know that Mark is trying to sort out the shipping with 4 million stretch goals, but it annoys me that the shipping has gone up by 25% on one of the simple initial pledge levels with nothing else added.

From the spreadsheet it also looks like you have to pledge for the Mortis variant separately, and can't split an "All your base" between the two variations.

I'll probably give the whole thing a miss at this rate and just buy a couple discounted at retail when I get the urge.

I would assume that the 'All your base" would allow you to chop and change between the 2... but that's not confirmed.

Will be VERY annoyed if that is not the case.

 scipio.au wrote:
This is interesting. I just downloaded the excel spreadhseet and "All your base" shipping with nothing else added at all comes to $39 rather than the original $30 listed in the kickstarter. I know that Mark is trying to sort out the shipping with 4 million stretch goals, but it annoys me that the shipping has gone up by 25% on one of the simple initial pledge levels with nothing else added.

From the spreadsheet it also looks like you have to pledge for the Mortis variant separately, and can't split an "All your base" between the two variations.

I'll probably give the whole thing a miss at this rate and just buy a couple discounted at retail when I get the urge.

That is true. Some of the multi-box deals have gone up in shipping (All Your Base was up at $55,- at one point, before Mark put it back down again).

Then again, there's some errors to be expected along the way I think. In the end, that is what Kickstarter is... a crowd-funding place for start-ups and entrepreneurs, not a pre-order platform for businesses running smooth as can be.

It's part of the charm I believe and that alone is (to me) well worth an extra 9 or 10 US$ shipping.

It's ultimately no huge deal. I'm very tight on cash right now, and I'll lose nothing by being more conservative with my spending on this sort of thing, and simply buying the final product when it's eventually available from a retailer if I'm still interested by that stage. - Or I can wait and see what happens with the 15mm kits and Mortis.

Ultimately, as cool as these kits are, they aren't something I need, (I have 2 unassembled 15mm kits in the shelf a foot away from me right now) and so I'm just going to cool my jets and remove the Fry.jpg mentality. Things like the nightmare of shipping (and multi-stage shipping) just make it easier to do so.

With the exception of truly small scale Kickstarters like the Stonehaven Dwarfs, Bruno's Goblins, etc ($30-50 price range kinda thing). I think I'm done with Kickstarters for awhile after I decide what to do with this one, RK and DeathBowl. I don't need to be continually sending off hundreds of dollars for the promise of something cool sometime next year, and it's probably not too smart to continue to do so. Lots of stuff actually available now, after all...

 Zweischneid wrote:
It's part of the charm...

It's really not. Even done unintentionally, if someone pledged for the All Your Base in the opening days, they shouldn't have to worry about coming back a month later to find their money's gone but the starter wants more to fulfil their promise. CMON reneging on their twice confirmed price for a particular addon option rubbed people the wrong way, and anyone less clueless than them about customer service should want to avoid a similar problem.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
It's part of the charm...

It's really not. Even done unintentionally, if someone pledged for the All Your Base in the opening days, they shouldn't have to worry about coming back a month later to find their money's gone but the starter wants more to fulfil their promise. CMON reneging on their twice confirmed price for a particular addon option rubbed people the wrong way, and anyone less clueless than them about customer service should want to avoid a similar problem.

What did CMON do? PM me if it'll take this thread too far off-topic. Or post in the appropriate thread and point me there.

You also have a good point about the All Your Base above. I didn't think of that.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
It's part of the charm...

It's really not. Even done unintentionally, if someone pledged for the All Your Base in the opening days, they shouldn't have to worry about coming back a month later to find their money's gone but the starter wants more to fulfil their promise. CMON reneging on their twice confirmed price for a particular addon option rubbed people the wrong way, and anyone less clueless than them about customer service should want to avoid a similar problem.

There is no "price". Any and all Kickstarters are funding. You throw money in it to support a project you like.

Whether or not an organizer includes "treats" and "giveaways" to their backers is entirely optional and ultimately contingent on their good-will. There is no sales-contract.

There is no pre-order. If you throw 1000 dollars on Kickstarter at Reaper Bones or CMON and they ultimately decide to just take the money and go on vacation, than that is your tough luck. They wont do that, because it'll hurt their reputation, sure, but if you are on Kickstarter "expecting" a certain customer right to your "purchases", you better read the Kickstarter-terms again carefully.

Again, it's not a sales contract. There is no guarantee in any Kickstarter project that they deliver or that they deliver what was promised. It's funding, not purchase.

Well, except that you know as well as I do that pretty much everything that comes along here is more of a pre-order than anything else, Dreamforge included. You're technically correct on the T&C aspect, but that's not how it's being used, so we're better off dropping the pretense of "supporting a project" when we know that the context is in fact pre-orders.

All the more reason to wait until retail on projects that we find borderline for any reason, when you think about it.

 Zweischneid wrote:
There is no "price". Any and all Kickstarters are funding. You throw money in it to support a project you like.

Whether or not an organizer includes "treats" and "giveaways" to their backers is entirely optional and ultimately contingent on their good-will. There is no sales-contract.

There is no pre-order. If you throw 1000 dollars on Kickstarter at Reaper Bones or CMON and they ultimately decide to just take the money and go on vacation, than that is your tough luck. They wont do that, because it'll hurt their reputation, sure, but if you are on Kickstarter "expecting" a certain customer right to your "purchases", you better read the Kickstarter-terms again carefully.

Again, it's not a sales contract. There is no guarantee in any Kickstarter project that they deliver or that they deliver what was promised. It's funding, not purchase.

While we won't know for sure until it comes up, this is not an argument that I would expect to stand up in a court of law. Like EULAs and C&D's, its power lies in convincing plebes that they have no rights and not actually removing their rights.

@Scipio: Cliffs notes version is that two items were reduced in price by $5 for the preliminary survey, and when asked CMON said that one was a mistake. When they put the CKPM up, both were back to full price.

On DFG: I'd still like to see pictures to decide how well the APC would fit in outside of the Eisenkern.

The $140k stretch looks really interesting!

A heavy armoured trooper box set much like the stormtrooper one? Sweet.

 AlexHolker wrote:

@Scipio: Cliffs notes version is that two items were reduced in price by $5 for the preliminary survey, and when asked CMON said that one was a mistake. When they put the CKPM up, both were back to full price.

Oh, the THX suits or whatever they're called. Gotcha.

Ripper saw goal achieved.

I like the look of the core heavy troopers much more than the support weapon ones, hopefully we reach that stretch!

 Vitruvian XVII wrote:
The $140k stretch looks really interesting!

A heavy armoured trooper box set much like the stormtrooper one? Sweet.

Definitely!

scipio- Mark confirmed in the comments on the Kickstarter page that when the Mortis unlocks you be able to mix and match Mortis and Crusaers in the multi-Leviathan pledges. It will ship later, though (or you can have everything held to ship in March to pay only one shipping charge). It's going to be the exact same price as the Crusader.

Those heavy troopers are sexy

I really hope that Mark succeeds in this one because Im very interested to see the other factions come to light. I really do like those heavy troopers just found my new storm troopers. Those small crusaders will be count as pre her-dreads for me will be increasing my pledge my wife is going to kill me.

what I can't figure out is what the 15mm weapons will cost. what am I missing here?

Mark hasn't posted prices yet for those.

Ah, okay then. guess I'll have to wait a little longer before upping my pledge

I'm kind of torn on posting prices for stretch goals in advance. On one hand its nice to know what those things are going to cost...but what happens if you increase your pledge to include stretch goals...but they dont get unlocked. It would then fall to you to ensure you reduce your pledge before its all over. Could make for some messy customer service issues

So when mortis is unlocked, will we be able to just say we want that instead of the crusader? or will we have to switch to a different pledge level?

 ironicsilence wrote:
I'm kind of torn on posting prices for stretch goals in advance. On one hand its nice to know what those things are going to cost...but what happens if you increase your pledge to include stretch goals...but they dont get unlocked. It would then fall to you to ensure you reduce your pledge before its all over. Could make for some messy customer service issues

...which would be your fault for pledging early but not checking in ~12H before the project ends. as long as that much is clear... if he'd just throw out an indication in the comments, or on some forum or whatnot only the more, let's say active, backers would get that info anyway so no harm done.

Bolognesus wrote:

 ironicsilence wrote:
I'm kind of torn on posting prices for stretch goals in advance. On one hand its nice to know what those things are going to cost...but what happens if you increase your pledge to include stretch goals...but they dont get unlocked. It would then fall to you to ensure you reduce your pledge before its all over. Could make for some messy customer service issues

...which would be your fault for pledging early but not checking in ~12H before the project ends. as long as that much is clear... if he'd just throw out an indication in the comments, or on some forum or whatnot only the more, let's say active, backers would get that info anyway so no harm done.

Well based on my past experience in retail and customer service....even when its 100% the customers fault....the customer will ALWAYS lose there mind and blame the provider. Granted in this instance the customer wouldnt have a leg to stand on but in the court of public opinion in would only take 1 or 2 loud users to smear dream forge

Someone once said A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes

 scipio.au wrote:
I'll probably give the whole thing a miss at this rate and just buy a couple discounted at retail when I get the urge.

That's the spirit.

Kids, the next time something doesn't go 100% to plan, especially when it's something that might not be in the total control of the guy running the event, just abandon everything and don't purchase it. Also make sure to tell everyone that you're not buying anything - as everyone is just dying to know how much you're not going to buy something over a minor detail like shipping - and give those toys a hefty big throw out of your pram while you're at it!

 scipio.au wrote:
This is interesting. I just downloaded the excel spreadhseet and "All your base" shipping with nothing else added at all comes to $39 rather than the original $30 listed in the kickstarter. I know that Mark is trying to sort out the shipping with 4 million stretch goals, but it annoys me that the shipping has gone up by 25% on one of the simple initial pledge levels with nothing else added.

From the spreadsheet it also looks like you have to pledge for the Mortis variant separately, and can't split an "All your base" between the two variations.

I'll probably give the whole thing a miss at this rate and just buy a couple discounted at retail when I get the urge.

Actual shipping cost USPS priority mail $51.97 you are being charged $39.00 (you save about $12.00 off actual costs). I dont know what ells to say about that....

Mixing and matching Mortis and Crusader is allowed. Pledge for two to four Leviathans and mix to year hearts content.

Arg...it's becoming insupportable...I'm really fighting to not considerably up my pledge... These troops are sooo nice...but I aready have a truckload of unnassembled models and 5 times as much models waiting for a paintjob...I'm really struggling to justify buying these awesome models.
Gotta hold on a couple more days...I don't think it will be possible...

 Von Skyfury wrote:
Arg...it's becoming insupportable...I'm really fighting to not considerably up my pledge... These troops are sooo nice...but I aready have a truckload of unnassembled models and 5 times as much models waiting for a paintjob...I'm really struggling to justify buying these awesome models.
Gotta hold on a couple more days...I don't think it will be possible...

best way to deal with your problem is to replace them with sexy models that will be a joy to paint! Also consider pledging for some sexy stuff that will ship to you in a few months (depending on what you get) you can use that as motivation to get stuff done since you will have more stuff on the way

 ironicsilence wrote:

 Von Skyfury wrote:
Arg...it's becoming insupportable...I'm really fighting to not considerably up my pledge... These troops are sooo nice...but I aready have a truckload of unnassembled models and 5 times as much models waiting for a paintjob...I'm really struggling to justify buying these awesome models.
Gotta hold on a couple more days...I don't think it will be possible...

best way to deal with your problem is to replace them with sexy models that will be a joy to paint! Also consider pledging for some sexy stuff that will ship to you in a few months (depending on what you get) you can use that as motivation to get stuff done since you will have more stuff on the way

I currently have enough models to last a couple years =P
And I've already got models from 2-3 other kickstarters coming in soon or not so soon =P

That's not helping me !