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I thought the box felt damn heavy when I was checking one over in a store

I was measuring the bottom of the boot to the top of the hat. The FSA infantry only have a small hat therefore they are 36mm. The LT and Doc have taller hats that bring them up to 40mm.

I think the prussians should be measured ignoring their spike. Otherwise they will perpetually look small because the human eye sees that as mostly empty space and the actual body is much shorter.

I personally think it is much more important for the girth of the models to be comparable for them to look good together. Because DL are not "heroic" scale they would look like teenagers standing next to GWs models, which is a much bigger issue imo.

When looking at models on the table perspective already makes it difficult to exactly determine the vertical dimension. The horizontal dimension is far more important.


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@UncleBadTouch- the box feels heavy without any models in it. Its because of the rule booklet, deck of cards, dice, and acrylic ruler it comes with.

Since I raised the whole "scale" issue, some more pics; first a finished Prussian Grenadier:


new comparison pic:

DL, Artizan, GW, GW

with ruler:


and together with a Leman Russ (fits very well IMO - maybe GWs infantry is simply out of scale?)


more: http://www.adpublishing.de/html/victorian_sf.html

Yeah... he's tall. Would work if you had a whole army of them...

I never doubted you (pics and all), I just wanted to report one semi-official reply.

And they look 33mm to eye level or 36mm total without helmet, still a head taller than Space Marines.

For all intents and purposes, this is actually a 32mm game. Simple as that.

It's idiotic.

"We don't want the money we could potentially have been swimming in from folks building entire imperial guard armies from our miniatures..."

It's frustrating and disappointing.

roadkizzle wrote:@Alpharius, note that I am not agreeing with you on the models being 40mm. I am saying they are 35mm scale. I agree they are not 28mm like they were billed, but neither did the german retailer.

Although they are a bigger scale, I don't think they look bad at all set within a 40k army. (I'd keep them in separate squads though) Largely because GW models are so "heroic"

No worries - sorry if I came across the wrong way!

I appreciate the extra info - there is no knowledge that is not power!

AAN wrote:Since I raised the whole "scale" issue, some more pics; first a finished Prussian Grenadier:


new comparison pic:

DL, Artizan, GW, GW

Those are very nice pictures - thank you very much for posting them!

Having 'regular' humans dwarf Marines is a problem...

RiTides wrote:Yeah... he's tall. Would work if you had a whole army of them...

Yes!

But a whole army of these guys... in an IG army... expensive, I'd imagine!

MeanGreenStompa wrote:It's idiotic.

"We don't want the money we could potentially have been swimming in from folks building entire imperial guard armies from our miniatures..."

It's frustrating and disappointing.

Too true!

They would have sold a ton more of these if the scale wasn't on the 'big' side of GW!

Stick the figures on a washer or a disc of 25mm plastic, to decrease the height.

I'll pick DL up to play DL and I may also incorporate their range into my IG force too.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
It's idiotic.

"We don't want the money we could potentially have been swimming in from folks building entire imperial guard armies from our miniatures..."

It's frustrating and disappointing.

Not to pick up on just you MGS but I'm sure that Spartan knew their figs were taller than the opposition. Maybe Spartan, wanted to go in their own stylistic direction. Who knows, it isn't the end of the world for this range, that's for sure.

They may have been thinking the opposite- not wanting people to use IG to stand-in for their models in their own game.

I don't personally think that's a sound decision, as you need momentum before doing that... but as you say Mr. Burning, they Had to know that they were doing this.

They should label it 32mm, though, not 28mm given the size of the figures so far.

Mr. Burning wrote:Stick the figures on a washer or a disc of 25mm plastic, to decrease the height.

I'll pick DL up to play DL and I may also incorporate their range into my IG force too.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
It's idiotic.

"We don't want the money we could potentially have been swimming in from folks building entire imperial guard armies from our miniatures..."

It's frustrating and disappointing.

Not to pick up on just you MGS but I'm sure that Spartan knew their figs were taller than the opposition. Maybe Spartan, wanted to go in their own stylistic direction. Who knows, it isn't the end of the world for this range, that's for sure.

Yep, stylistic direction is good, they certainly had that with the aesthetic alone. It's not the end of the world for the range, but it's certainly questionable from a money making perspective, highly questionable.

RiTides wrote:They may have been thinking the opposite- not wanting people to use IG to stand-in for their models in their own game.

I don't personally think that's a sound decision, as you need momentum before doing that... but as you say Mr. Burning, they Had to know that they were doing this.

They should label it 32mm, though, not 28mm given the size of the figures so far.

I'd have taken a bet for a very large sum that considerably more people would be using these figures for 40k than would have been using 40k figures for this game.

I'll not bother taking on yet another game, I've just started dipping my toe with Warmachine/have my eye on Infinity/Intend to try Malifaux. But I could easily have been swayed to make another army of 40k imperial guard from these and I'll warrant, given the anguished cries of so many guard players, that there were many who would have snapped them up in quantities as GW is determined to not make gothic looking guardsmen for it's gothic looking universe...

The special characters have sense of fun about them. Col MacDonald and his steam powered bath chair and from the FSA Major Beauregard and his Clockadile. As for Siegfried the Minion......!

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
as GW is determined to not make gothic looking guardsmen for it's gothic looking universe...

Sigged.

 RiTides wrote:
They may have been thinking the opposite- not wanting people to use IG to stand-in for their models in their own game.

I don't personally think that's a sound decision, as you need momentum before doing that... but as you say Mr. Burning, they Had to know that they were doing this.

They should label it 32mm, though, not 28mm given the size of the figures so far.

I don't think anyone is going to be proxying models for a Spartan games ruleset...

 Mr. Burning wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
as GW is determined to not make gothic looking guardsmen for it's gothic looking universe...

Sigged.

Of course, now that I've written it, it makes me want an army of pasty faced shoegazing robert smiths with massive backcombed hair and winklepicker boots with too many buckles...

It may have been strategy to make Dystopian Legion miniatures incompatible with other popular ranges, but it certainly is a bad strategy.

I might just buy selected figures from the range to use in other games. The guys with the shields and pistols, Lord Flash, etc.

 Kroothawk wrote:
It may have been strategy to make Dystopian Legion miniatures incompatible with other popular ranges, but it certainly is a bad strategy.

Or they could have made prototypes in 28mm, thought they looked weedy, and then scaled them up so they looked better. Not everything has to be part of a master plan.

If I was going to use them for another game, it'd be Great Rail Wars/Savage Worlds, which didn't exactly have a solid figure line in the first place.

It's not like GW's rules are that much better than Spartans....

I finally got my order in the mail and the figures are pretty decent looking. Can anyone spoiler cards 14 to 26 from the FSA deck? The Prussian and British decks are both fairly nice. (I can see Ein-Zwei, Ein-Zwei used a LOT).

Another size comparison shot by Ady from the Praetorian XXIV blog:
http://mypraetorians.blogspot.de/
Left Dystopian Legions, middle Victoria Miniatures, right GW Praetorians. So they all are indeed incompatible:

Gosh, they are big fellas, My guys are the same scale as plastic Cadians. I suppose you could mix DL and GW Praetorians if you wanted hobbits in your army

Or you could use the Dystopian ones as a kind of Māori Battalion - in an ironic uniform twist!

On the bright side, because this game is more 32mm in spite of the advertisement, those looking for subbing minis into other games may enjoy the upcoming "Space Marine" models that can operate as 'Truescale' marines.

If the common infantry are giants, imagine the height of these guys:

If the models are that scale compared to GW, they would make interesting additions to a DUST force... not sure how you'd fit them in fluff wise, but the scale is about right by the looks of it.

Dystopian fellas are 6' 6", Vic Lamb's are 6'. GW's originals are my height..5' 7". Sorted. Some are Grenadier Company height, some are vertically challenged like me.

What it also means is that the tankettes will look bigger alongside my Praetorians.

I have just noticed on the Dystopian Legions front page that they appear to have changed the blurb on the game:

DYSTOPIAN LEGIONS is a fast-paced, action-packed 32mm (foot to eye) scale tabletop game set in the exciting world of Dystopian Wars, where Victorian super science fiction has created a fascinating and brutal arena for a deadly world war.

I'm sure I never read that description before.

http://www.spartangames.co.uk/games/dystopian-legions

A recent change then, as it mentioned 28mm first.

Good on them far making the change

Hope they'll be sympathetic to anybody wanting a refund because they though they were buying compatible minis

You can't really get them on that. The figures are sold as Dystopian Legions not generic sci-fi. The 28mm claim was incorrect or misguided but Spartan have never claimed their models are compatible with anything else.

alphaecho wrote:
You can't really get them on that. The figures are sold as Dystopian Legions not generic sci-fi. The 28mm claim was incorrect or misguided but Spartan have never claimed their models are compatible with anything else.

No, but I can "get them" on making a "boneheaded" and unnecessary decision to deviate from industry "standard" scale at the cost of sales and respect for their company. They are not an industry "leader" and, as such, should never have attempted to redirect the march of the masses. Most of us play games of a particular scale, with terrain of a particular scale and have collections of both amassed over years and even decades. For the sake of a few millimeters, Spartan has shot themselves in their collective foot and have made their miniatures useless to me and made me question the captains of their ship. Hey, it's one thing for GW to court negative public opinion but to willfully do it when you are a small fish in the pond is just naive or, worse, stupid.

OK, rant of personal opinion over ... I'm just really disappointed because I love the miniatures and would have gotten them all but, due to the scale decision, I have no use for them now.

 Myrthe wrote:

alphaecho wrote:
You can't really get them on that. The figures are sold as Dystopian Legions not generic sci-fi. The 28mm claim was incorrect or misguided but Spartan have never claimed their models are compatible with anything else.

No, but I can "get them" on making a "boneheaded" and unnecessary decision to deviate from industry "standard" scale at the cost of sales and respect for their company. They are not an industry "leader" and, as such, should never have attempted to redirect the march of the masses. Most of us play games of a particular scale, with terrain of a particular scale and have collections of both amassed over years and even decades. For the sake of a few millimeters, Spartan has shot themselves in their collective foot and have made their miniatures useless to me and made me question the captains of their ship. Hey, it's one thing for GW to court negative public opinion but to willfully do it when you are a small fish in the pond is just naive or, worse, stupid.

OK, rant of personal opinion over ... I'm just really disappointed because I love the miniatures and would have gotten them all but, due to the scale decision, I have no use for them now.

Or you can "get them" on what was (apparently accidental it seems) false advertisement. If you say one thing then provide another, it's not acceptable, regardless of what intent the consumer had in mind for it.