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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/23 20:46:46
Subject: Re:What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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TheCaptain wrote:Run nine flyers man. Six Vendettas, Three Valks. That stuff is cray. I run a 11 flyer list for Elysians sometimes; just to haze kids at the FLGS.
Go ahead and weep about it, fluffers.
TheCaptain wrote:
Too often actually, your point is wrong. I find it is usually the casual players coming off as 'waac' (stupid term, really) in complaining and contesting rules, simply because they don't know them. Tourney players more often than not are VERY VERY clear on their rules, because if not, it can lead to their disqualification.
Irony thy point is made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/23 21:01:15
Subject: Re:What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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ZebioLizard2 wrote:TheCaptain wrote:Run nine flyers man. Six Vendettas, Three Valks. That stuff is cray. I run a 11 flyer list for Elysians sometimes; just to haze kids at the FLGS.
Go ahead and weep about it, fluffers.
TheCaptain wrote:
Too often actually, your point is wrong. I find it is usually the casual players coming off as 'waac' (stupid term, really) in complaining and contesting rules, simply because they don't know them. Tourney players more often than not are VERY VERY clear on their rules, because if not, it can lead to their disqualification.
Irony thy point is made.
While you have a point, he did clarify in the thread that he was trolling the OP with hyperbole.
The only people that I have played are competitive players, and none of them have been douches yet. Just being a competitive player doesn't make you TFG.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/23 21:21:11
Subject: Re:What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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daedalus-templarius wrote: ZebioLizard2 wrote:TheCaptain wrote:Run nine flyers man. Six Vendettas, Three Valks. That stuff is cray. I run a 11 flyer list for Elysians sometimes; just to haze kids at the FLGS.
Go ahead and weep about it, fluffers.
TheCaptain wrote:
Too often actually, your point is wrong. I find it is usually the casual players coming off as 'waac' (stupid term, really) in complaining and contesting rules, simply because they don't know them. Tourney players more often than not are VERY VERY clear on their rules, because if not, it can lead to their disqualification.
Irony thy point is made.
While you have a point, he did clarify in the thread that he was trolling the OP with hyperbole.
The only people that I have played are competitive players, and none of them have been douches yet. Just being a competitive player doesn't make you TFG.
'He used the words "cray, haze, and fluffers"...he MUST be serious!"
But really, welcome to the internet ZebioLizard2
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/23 21:27:30
Subject: Re:What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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TheCaptain wrote: daedalus-templarius wrote: ZebioLizard2 wrote:TheCaptain wrote:Run nine flyers man. Six Vendettas, Three Valks. That stuff is cray. I run a 11 flyer list for Elysians sometimes; just to haze kids at the FLGS.
Go ahead and weep about it, fluffers.
TheCaptain wrote:
Too often actually, your point is wrong. I find it is usually the casual players coming off as 'waac' (stupid term, really) in complaining and contesting rules, simply because they don't know them. Tourney players more often than not are VERY VERY clear on their rules, because if not, it can lead to their disqualification.
Irony thy point is made.
While you have a point, he did clarify in the thread that he was trolling the OP with hyperbole.
The only people that I have played are competitive players, and none of them have been douches yet. Just being a competitive player doesn't make you TFG.
'He used the words "cray, haze, and fluffers"...he MUST be serious!"
But really, welcome to the internet ZebioLizard2
Thanks! Even if sarcastic in intent.
Though to be honest I don't have a belief that there's a war vs anything. So long as you aren't a douche ingame or out of it it's all good. Though I do have a soured attitude towards competitive types after playing 4th edition thanks to a nearby store where everyone seemed intent on "Breaking" everyone they could to prepare for tournaments.
Though I wish some casuals would learn the rules, I don't care if you don't mind if you win or lose, LEARN THE RULES.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/24 00:55:15
Subject: Re:What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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ZebioLizard2 wrote: TheCaptain wrote: daedalus-templarius wrote: ZebioLizard2 wrote:TheCaptain wrote:Run nine flyers man. Six Vendettas, Three Valks. That stuff is cray. I run a 11 flyer list for Elysians sometimes; just to haze kids at the FLGS.
Go ahead and weep about it, fluffers.
TheCaptain wrote:
Too often actually, your point is wrong. I find it is usually the casual players coming off as 'waac' (stupid term, really) in complaining and contesting rules, simply because they don't know them. Tourney players more often than not are VERY VERY clear on their rules, because if not, it can lead to their disqualification.
Irony thy point is made.
While you have a point, he did clarify in the thread that he was trolling the OP with hyperbole.
The only people that I have played are competitive players, and none of them have been douches yet. Just being a competitive player doesn't make you TFG.
'He used the words "cray, haze, and fluffers"...he MUST be serious!"
But really, welcome to the internet ZebioLizard2
Thanks! Even if sarcastic in intent.
Though to be honest I don't have a belief that there's a war vs anything. So long as you aren't a douche ingame or out of it it's all good. Though I do have a soured attitude towards competitive types after playing 4th edition thanks to a nearby store where everyone seemed intent on "Breaking" everyone they could to prepare for tournaments.
Though I wish some casuals would learn the rules, I don't care if you don't mind if you win or lose, LEARN THE RULES.
*Sigh.*
People like TheCaptain is why I am gradually switching to more friendly alternative 40k forums; I am sick of having to siv through all the crap people like him post (even if is trolling)...I'm glad his other thread got locked. No offence or anything. He is unfortunately a drop in the ocean...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/24 14:06:31
Subject: What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Well, someone in the other thread did just call 'Hammerhand Halberds' exploitative... I'm not really sure how that works at all.
So using psychic powers in conjunction with higher initiative weapons so you strike first and with a higher strength is 'being a douche competitive player' now?
Funny, I thought that was using your rules/powers/equipment to your advantage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/24 15:15:59
Subject: Re:What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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Battleship Captain
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FifteenHours wrote:
*Sigh.*
People like TheCaptain is why I am gradually switching to more friendly alternative 40k forums; I am sick of having to siv through all the crap people like him post (even if is trolling)...I'm glad his other thread got locked. Oh woe is me the mean man said something I don't like. No offence or anything. He is unfortunately a drop in the ocean...
 I'm so famous! So famous that you know exactly how I am, and enough of my characteristics that you can judge who is "like" me. Considering all the viable, informative posts I make, I think you can "siv through all the crap"
<3
(Saying no offense after rudeness doesn't really work.)
Edit: No offense.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/24 20:47:32
Subject: What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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Heroic Senior Officer
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I for one quite like the Captain, wish I had a an army so that I could steal one of his guardsman :(
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/24 21:44:24
Subject: What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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Battleship Captain
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Bobthehero wrote:I for one quite like the Captain, wish I had a an army so that I could steal one of his guardsman :(
I'll play any points level below 1850!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/24 21:45:48
Subject: What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Com e by montreal and we'll do a kill team battle, Grenadiers vs stormtroopers
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/24 21:53:49
Subject: What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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Battleship Captain
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Bobthehero wrote:Com e by montreal and we'll do a kill team battle, Grenadiers vs stormtroopers 
Wait...I'm totally heading through Montreal on what I've dubbed as TheCaptain's Imperial Guard Facebashing Tour.
Toss an official challenge in my thread (you better believe that's a shameless request for a bump) and I'll tack you onto the list
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/24 22:06:11
Subject: What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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Honestly I don't care about tournament play. I only ever play with my friends.
So if you want to take 9 Vendettas to a battle, so be it. I'm not the poor bastard who has to play you .
40k is a lot like religion. It's fine in moderation, but people who take it *really* seriously should probably be avoided. Automatically Appended Next Post: FifteenHours wrote:
*Sigh.*
People like TheCaptain is why I am gradually switching to more friendly alternative 40k forums; I am sick of having to siv through all the crap people like him post (even if is trolling)...I'm glad his other thread got locked. No offence or anything. He is unfortunately a drop in the ocean...
Dakka is actually a pretty decent forum. Threads like these attract strong opinions, and are not representative of the forum as a whole.
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Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/24 22:21:12
Subject: What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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Testify wrote:Honestly I don't care about tournament play. I only ever play with my friends.
So if you want to take 9 Vendettas to a battle, so be it. I'm not the poor bastard who has to play you .
40k is a lot like religion. It's fine in moderation, but people who take it *really* seriously should probably be avoided.
What if they take 9 Valkyries with 3 Vultures? And call themselves Elysians, will you play those armies?
In all honesty I probably won't play in any form of true tournament due to the encouraged behaviour of WAAC. I want to state the have no real issue with some WAAC lists, but remember this is a 2+ player game, if you are a douche nozzle and always pull out Doomscythe spam, and wanting exact precision and rules lawyering (you moved 6.2368 of an inch, or my constant favorite of needing to rush at every moment even if you dont have plans, just to try and throw me on my rear foot )in a 'friendly' game, then I won't play with you very often, and that same note I am willing to play the list in a no holds barred type game, as long as we are having fun doing so.
Please note, I am a strong advocate of beerhammer, in otherwords drinking and having fun in general while playing
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/24 23:56:55
Subject: What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Testify wrote:Honestly I don't care about tournament play. I only ever play with my friends.
So if you want to take 9 Vendettas to a battle, so be it. I'm not the poor bastard who has to play you .
40k is a lot like religion. It's fine in moderation, but people who take it *really* seriously should probably be avoided.
I just want to mention that, IMO, you're much more likely to encounter someone who takes Warhammer *really* seriously at a games club, than at a tournament.
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"Did you ever notice how in the Bible, when ever God needed to punish someone, or make an example, or whenever God needed a killing, he sent an angel? Did you ever wonder what a creature like that must be like? A whole existence spent praising your God, but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/25 00:04:27
Subject: Re:What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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Evasive Pleasureseeker
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I used to really enjoy tournaments back in the day. And I'm talking, back in the GT days when you got trohpies for placing tops in each category.
However, around 2004-05 I started to notice a disturbing trend, one in which trophies dissapeared and product or outright cash was instead offered up for placing tops in the various categories. Then it became very disproportionate, so for example 'Best General' got a battlefore, but 'Best Sportsmanship' only got a $25 blister or box set. Finally, most tournaments started doing away with the 'soft scores' altogether and then only thing that mattered was winning games.
Thus became the animal that's now the "Mercenary's 40k Tournaments" which I have come to utterly despise.
No more fun, no more sportsmanship, not even the decency to put in the effort to put 3 basic colours on your models for feth's sake!!!  Nope, now it seems like most tournaments just reward payers for being giant donkeycaves and a contest of who can break the game the best or run the world's most boring spam army?
Once actual money is on the line, I find that in general people's basic manners go out the window and it's all about being the biggest and loudest bully in the room. Why the hell would I pay money to attend that kind of crap?!
So now I don't play in tournaments outside of Astronomi-con which is one the very few events that fully encompasses and encourages the entire hobby. So the competitive guys can go beat the crap out of eachother for best general, the painters can make everyone else utterly jealous of their mad skills, the 'nice guys' can see who's the most fun to play against, hell, even the 'fluff bunnies' can get an award for their army list & background while the crazy modelers can win an award for 'best terrain'!
It's something for everyone, and best of all, all the actual GW product is raffled off as door prizes, so if you really, really, really want that one specific set, you can buy a craptonne of raffle tickets and likely land it!
And after 5 Astro's, I have yet to see any game devolve into ruthless name-calling or outright fist-fights! And imho, it's mainly because Astro doesn't offer up cash for prizes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/25 00:35:35
Subject: What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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Kaldor wrote: Testify wrote:Honestly I don't care about tournament play. I only ever play with my friends.
So if you want to take 9 Vendettas to a battle, so be it. I'm not the poor bastard who has to play you .
40k is a lot like religion. It's fine in moderation, but people who take it *really* seriously should probably be avoided.
I just want to mention that, IMO, you're much more likely to encounter someone who takes Warhammer *really* seriously at a games club, than at a tournament.
That's why I don't go to games clubs
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Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/25 08:15:10
Subject: What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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People are different so yeah it will vary - you will have nice tournament players and idiot friendly players.
however - the tournament players at out club have tremendous difficulty in fielding anything opther than finally tuned lists - even if their opponent is new to the game or just looking to enjoy their evening off.
What really annoys me about one of them is that not only does he do this but he can not and will not accept that he is ever wrong and when proved that he is makes no appology.
So apparently moving Flat out means " you must move 18" no more , no less". Laser pointers are not straight enough to judge compared to his eyes. Oh and of course his downloaded copy codex is almost never with him.
Anything you quesition is met with "I AM a Grand Tournament player - I know the rules" or even worse when shown the rule he is using is wrong "Well we always played it like that in tournaments so it must be right"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/25 08:31:59
Subject: What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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Mr Morden wrote:People are different so yeah it will vary - you will have nice tournament players and idiot friendly players.
however - the tournament players at out club have tremendous difficulty in fielding anything opther than finally tuned lists - even if their opponent is new to the game or just looking to enjoy their evening off.
What really annoys me about one of them is that not only does he do this but he can not and will not accept that he is ever wrong and when proved that he is makes no appology.
So apparently moving Flat out means " you must move 18" no more , no less". Laser pointers are not straight enough to judge compared to his eyes. Oh and of course his downloaded copy codex is almost never with him.
Anything you quesition is met with "I AM a Grand Tournament player - I know the rules" or even worse when shown the rule he is using is wrong "Well we always played it like that in tournaments so it must be right"
I question why people would play someone like that. I'd be hard-pressed not to walk from the game after a bit of it, myself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/25 08:57:54
Subject: Re:What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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FifteenHours wrote: ZebioLizard2 wrote: TheCaptain wrote: daedalus-templarius wrote: ZebioLizard2 wrote:TheCaptain wrote:Run nine flyers man. Six Vendettas, Three Valks. That stuff is cray. I run a 11 flyer list for Elysians sometimes; just to haze kids at the FLGS.
Go ahead and weep about it, fluffers.
TheCaptain wrote:
Too often actually, your point is wrong. I find it is usually the casual players coming off as 'waac' (stupid term, really) in complaining and contesting rules, simply because they don't know them. Tourney players more often than not are VERY VERY clear on their rules, because if not, it can lead to their disqualification.
Irony thy point is made.
While you have a point, he did clarify in the thread that he was trolling the OP with hyperbole.
The only people that I have played are competitive players, and none of them have been douches yet. Just being a competitive player doesn't make you TFG.
'He used the words "cray, haze, and fluffers"...he MUST be serious!"
But really, welcome to the internet ZebioLizard2
Thanks! Even if sarcastic in intent.
Though to be honest I don't have a belief that there's a war vs anything. So long as you aren't a douche ingame or out of it it's all good. Though I do have a soured attitude towards competitive types after playing 4th edition thanks to a nearby store where everyone seemed intent on "Breaking" everyone they could to prepare for tournaments.
Though I wish some casuals would learn the rules, I don't care if you don't mind if you win or lose, LEARN THE RULES.
*Sigh.*
People like TheCaptain is why I am gradually switching to more friendly alternative 40k forums; I am sick of having to siv through all the crap people like him post (even if is trolling)...I'm glad his other thread got locked. No offence or anything. He is unfortunately a drop in the ocean...
The "ignore" button is your friend. Check it out
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/25 09:02:07
Subject: Re:What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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because it means you just wasted 1-2 hours time to get to the shop 1-2 hours to get back home , gas and probably a day in a weekend you could have spent doing something else , maybe it is that?
Then it became very disproportionate, so for example 'Best General' got a battlefore, but 'Best Sportsmanship' only got a $25 blister or box set.
Disproportionate ? how , because to get best general you have to win X games , sometimes through 2 days and to get best sportsmanship you have to come with the biggest crew who will vote for you .
That's why I don't go to games clubs
Ok so what would be your advice to places in the world where there are no clubs ?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/25 10:35:45
Subject: What if GW succeeds in its war against competitive 40k gameplay?
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TheCaptain wrote: Mr Morden wrote:People are different so yeah it will vary - you will have nice tournament players and idiot friendly players.
however - the tournament players at out club have tremendous difficulty in fielding anything opther than finally tuned lists - even if their opponent is new to the game or just looking to enjoy their evening off.
What really annoys me about one of them is that not only does he do this but he can not and will not accept that he is ever wrong and when proved that he is makes no appology.
So apparently moving Flat out means " you must move 18" no more , no less". Laser pointers are not straight enough to judge compared to his eyes. Oh and of course his downloaded copy codex is almost never with him.
Anything you quesition is met with "I AM a Grand Tournament player - I know the rules" or even worse when shown the rule he is using is wrong "Well we always played it like that in tournaments so it must be right"
I question why people would play someone like that. I'd be hard-pressed not to walk from the game after a bit of it, myself.
Its difficult to walk away when you have travelled some distance to have a game in the evening - perhaps your only game of the week. And by the time the game is half over and the irritation level has been reached - thats your evening ruined :( The game with most of the above quotes ended when both players gave up - and one went home (1/2 hour drive) and the problem player then kept wandering around the remaining players in the club moaning to us!
We normally arrange games on the club forum in advance and whilst it was obvious from his first few games there was issue with this player - people were trying to give him a fair shake at our club. To be honest he is pretty close now to be being banned.......
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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