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Huh, this seems new.

http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2013/02/lord-of-change-and-tzeentch-flyer.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Faeit212+(Faeit+212)

A Tzeentch flier and teleporting furies eh?

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stickmonkey on BOLS wrote:This round of rumors is regarding the Second Wave, penciled in for June. Note however that Games Workshop has this thing for releasing Daemons in August - so that second wave might slide a little.

In any case, onto the waves themselves:

Wave 2
Keeper of Secrets/(Named GD of Slaanesh)
Lord of Change/Fateweaver
Furies/(Chaos ground daemons...I've heard this alternate kit unit has an "unstable" rules granting them an extra save, a 12" teleport, and a chance to lose models (determined randomly).
Hounds of Khorne
An all new Tzeentch Flyer... (NOT the Heldrake)
Chariot of Tzeentch/ Flame cannon alt kit)

Tzeentch Doomwings/Firelord maybe?

 Shandara wrote:
Tzeentch Doomwings/Firelord maybe?

I doubt that they will be doing it as a "machine daemon"... Probably some kind of flying chariot or winged daemon creature.

Flying Dragon/bird that's the Heldrake's version of the soulgrinder!

Called It!

Wouldn't GW be releasing all the 'new unit' kits in the first wave though?
Seems to be their new MO to get all the new units models w/book so as to avoid anymore 3rd party retailers beating them to the punch and making money off on unit entries with no models...

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Is anyone else as deeply disturbed by the possibility (reality) that the Daemons will be similarly priced to match WoC? Greater Daemons will be around $85, Khorne chariots will be $40ish, etc. Good thing I already have all the old GDs and actually like them. I also have everything I need to make my own chariots, so I don't have to pay the outrageous upcoming fees.

I have a Finecast Bloodthirster and Fateweaver. I actually like these two models and will not be replacing them, but if the Lord of Change is nice I'll probably pick one up.

Experiment 626 wrote:
Wouldn't GW be releasing all the 'new unit' kits in the first wave though?
Seems to be their new MO to get all the new units models w/book so as to avoid anymore 3rd party retailers beating them to the punch and making money off on unit entries with no models...

This is my issue with the rumors. They don't match the last two releases which have had all new units released with the codex. Both 6th edition books have 100% of the units in the books available for purchase.

Yeah, I would think they would have the new Units in the release, and keep the Plastic GDs and Furies/hounds for later.

I would really like to see some new Fiend models though!

 Sasori wrote:
Yeah, I would think they would have the new Units in the release, and keep the Plastic GDs and Furies/hounds for later.

I would really like to see some new Fiend models though!

Me too, the butt-ugly current models are what has prevented me from buying any up to this point.

Although now that Screamers are so good, I still might not get any fiends. I know they fill slightly different niches, but in Screamers you get the same number of wounds, toughness and invulnerable save for less points. You trade a higher number of attacks at higher initiative for better mobility and S:5 AP:2 and Armorbane attacks.

 undertow wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Yeah, I would think they would have the new Units in the release, and keep the Plastic GDs and Furies/hounds for later.

I would really like to see some new Fiend models though!

Me too, the butt-ugly current models are what has prevented me from buying any up to this point.

Although now that Screamers are so good, I still might not get any fiends. I know they fill slightly different niches, but in Screamers you get the same number of wounds, toughness and invulnerable save for less points. You trade a higher number of attacks at higher initiative for better mobility and S:5 AP:2 and Armorbane attacks.

You mean Flamers?
Screamers are FA and Fiends are Elite, so there's nothing stopping you having both.

I plan, based on current rules, two large squads of flamers and one of Fiends, but I'm not pulling the trigger on the Fiends until I a) see the rules and b) see if they're any new models. If any rule changes suck, I'm out. If the models suck I'm shopping for alternates, as I doubt they'll be cheap and so they better look good!

 azreal13 wrote:

 undertow wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Yeah, I would think they would have the new Units in the release, and keep the Plastic GDs and Furies/hounds for later.

I would really like to see some new Fiend models though!

Me too, the butt-ugly current models are what has prevented me from buying any up to this point.

Although now that Screamers are so good, I still might not get any fiends. I know they fill slightly different niches, but in Screamers you get the same number of wounds, toughness and invulnerable save for less points. You trade a higher number of attacks at higher initiative for better mobility and S:5 AP:2 and Armorbane attacks.

You mean Flamers?
Screamers are FA and Fiends are Elite, so there's nothing stopping you having both.

I plan, based on current rules, two large squads of flamers and one of Fiends, but I'm not pulling the trigger on the Fiends until I a) see the rules and b) see if they're any new models. If any rule changes suck, I'm out. If the models suck I'm shopping for alternates, as I doubt they'll be cheap and so they better look good!

No, I meant Screamers. I realize they're in different FOC slots, but they fill sort of the same role. Most places I'd want to use Fiends, I could replace them with Screamers and get a faster, cheaper unit with the same (or better) survivability.

 undertow wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Yeah, I would think they would have the new Units in the release, and keep the Plastic GDs and Furies/hounds for later.

I would really like to see some new Fiend models though!

Me too, the butt-ugly current models are what has prevented me from buying any up to this point.

Although now that Screamers are so good, I still might not get any fiends. I know they fill slightly different niches, but in Screamers you get the same number of wounds, toughness and invulnerable save for less points. You trade a higher number of attacks at higher initiative for better mobility and S:5 AP:2 and Armorbane attacks.

Yes, but I don't think anyone here honestly expects Screamers and flamers to stay the same. I'm sure in one way or another, they are going to get hit with the Nerfbat.

 Sasori wrote:

 undertow wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Yeah, I would think they would have the new Units in the release, and keep the Plastic GDs and Furies/hounds for later.

I would really like to see some new Fiend models though!

Me too, the butt-ugly current models are what has prevented me from buying any up to this point.

Although now that Screamers are so good, I still might not get any fiends. I know they fill slightly different niches, but in Screamers you get the same number of wounds, toughness and invulnerable save for less points. You trade a higher number of attacks at higher initiative for better mobility and S:5 AP:2 and Armorbane attacks.

Yes, but I don't think anyone here honestly expects Screamers and flamers to stay the same. I'm sure in one way or another, they are going to get hit with the Nerfbat.

Just remove Eternal Warrior from them and they're fine.

 Sasori wrote:

 undertow wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Yeah, I would think they would have the new Units in the release, and keep the Plastic GDs and Furies/hounds for later.

I would really like to see some new Fiend models though!

Me too, the butt-ugly current models are what has prevented me from buying any up to this point.

Although now that Screamers are so good, I still might not get any fiends. I know they fill slightly different niches, but in Screamers you get the same number of wounds, toughness and invulnerable save for less points. You trade a higher number of attacks at higher initiative for better mobility and S:5 AP:2 and Armorbane attacks.

Yes, but I don't think anyone here honestly expects Screamers and flamers to stay the same. I'm sure in one way or another, they are going to get hit with the Nerfbat.

That's likely, I'm nervous about any changes to be honest.

If this were still 5th Ed I'd want that new codex yesterday. But I think Daemons have come out ahead in the transition from 5th to 6th, even before the WD update which made use even better. I actually really like how my army plays and I'm happy with the options I have. I'm excited for new models, but wary of new rules and sweeping changes to an army that I love that has a unique play style.

 undertow wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 undertow wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Yeah, I would think they would have the new Units in the release, and keep the Plastic GDs and Furies/hounds for later.

I would really like to see some new Fiend models though!

Me too, the butt-ugly current models are what has prevented me from buying any up to this point.

Although now that Screamers are so good, I still might not get any fiends. I know they fill slightly different niches, but in Screamers you get the same number of wounds, toughness and invulnerable save for less points. You trade a higher number of attacks at higher initiative for better mobility and S:5 AP:2 and Armorbane attacks.

Yes, but I don't think anyone here honestly expects Screamers and flamers to stay the same. I'm sure in one way or another, they are going to get hit with the Nerfbat.

That's likely, I'm nervous about any changes to be honest.

If this were still 5th Ed I'd want that new codex yesterday. But I think Daemons have come out ahead in the transition from 5th to 6th, even before the WD update which made use even better. I actually really like how my army plays and I'm happy with the options I have. I'm excited for new models, but wary of new rules and sweeping changes to an army that I love that has a unique play style.

I've said this before, but that's my concern too. Daemons are probably the best catered for in terms of alternative models if some of the new sculpts suck, but if the book sucks, that all goes out the window.

I've only just started putting my collection together, so that would be the worst possible outcome.

Furies/(Chaos ground daemons...I've heard this alternate kit unit has an "unstable" rules granting them an extra save, a 12" teleport, and a chance to lose models (determined randomly).

Sounds familiar... http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/Wraith
Also sounds a bit like Eldar Warp Spiders too.

I just don't want the GD's to end up on the big oval bases.

GDs moving to the oval base seems an inevitability at this point; as the Bloodthirster is apparently the same size as a Dreadnight - at least height wise -, the Lord of Change is apparently the 'biggest' in height, even discounting the wings.

Also, given GWs more recent releases, bigger = better when concerning MCs. I for the life of me I cannot envision GDs staying on 60mm anymore, I just can't. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think many of the later MCs have moved/been released on the Oval base. I could be wrong, I suppose.

Some say the GDs won't be present in the Codex/Army Book wave, but I doubt it. They're the centerpiece model by far and I cannot see what else would serve that purpose other than them. I think there is only a few 'new' units that need models as far as that priority goes, so I'd wager accuracy on Bloodthirster/Great Unclean One wave + others. All I know - and care for - is that GDs in whatever pairs will release the first time and the other pair the last wave.

 whitedragon wrote:
I just don't want the GD's to end up on the big oval bases.

This. But I guess I wouldn't mind a GUO on a big oval base if its big.

For a Codex full of FMC I dont really see the use of an actual flyer, or are we in for some jump only GD (but then there would still be deamon princes)? Im sure I will spend a load of money on a flyer anyway.

A great Quetsalcoatl like serpent with beak and feathers would be great and fit nicely with GWs warped sense of mythology.

SanDiegoSurrealist via Warseer wrote:
Just talked to my local shop owner, he was placing orders today and it is confirmed that Daemons of Chaos will be released next month, what he could not tell me is if it is 40k, Fantasy, or both.

 pretre wrote:

SanDiegoSurrealist via Warseer wrote:
Just talked to my local shop owner, he was placing orders today and it is confirmed that Daemons of Chaos will be released next month, what he could not tell me is if it is 40k, Fantasy, or both.

Can I get a squeeeeeeee?!!!!!

Although of course it will be both for a multitude of reasons.

 pretre wrote:

SanDiegoSurrealist via Warseer wrote:
Just talked to my local shop owner, he was placing orders today and it is confirmed that Daemons of Chaos will be released next month, what he could not tell me is if it is 40k, Fantasy, or both.

Wooooooooooooot!!! *does the Happy Dance*

On the other hand, I think I just heard my wallet scream something commiting suicide...
Army Book + Codex + new toys AND I'll need to spend train+bus fare to get to the now "local" GW store... Gonna be an expensive month for sure.

So, will we be seeing a White Dwarf spread on them soon then?

 matphat wrote:
So, will we be seeing a White Dwarf spread on them soon then?

Hopefully.

But I've become a bit doubtful due to the numerous rumors from the pass 6 months for Daemons.

I wouldn't be. Harry and Hastings are still on pace to be correct. And they are normally pretty spot on.

This is perfect if it's true. I just finished my Orks for good, and now I'll be able to help my wife finish out her Daemons.

Looking forward to this. My CSM don't feel like CSM without Daemon Allies!

Ah the first period of happiness with the announcement new army release. Then comes either the joy or horror at the new figs. Finally, the shock of the new prices and finally then resignation. Will still pick up the figs anyways

Only thing that doesn't sit right with these rumors of two waves has been GW has had all the new figures available at launch. Given the talk of people taking GW concept art and releasing copycat figs for units not officially released and that policy was to combat it. Will there be pictures of the new figures from wave 2 in the book? Will there be concept art?

These questions and more to be answered, sooooon...